So it was ok when the Clinton Gore Adinistration?

Do a google search on Clinton gore spying. Try reading the endless search results on it.

I know you dont care. Hes a liberal. Its ok for liberals to do whatever they want. Where is the outrage? Wheres the cry of freedom? Silent when it comes to Gore. In fact you are using him as a poster boy.

Id say its unbelievable. But then with this group of baby killing murderer defending wacko's, nothing is beyond the realm of possibility.

Thanks (P)Ricky. Hadn't heard from you for a while. Glad to know you're still kicking.

Sorry to go off topic so soon, but this news just broke. As an Oregonian and an RN, I am delighted with this decision. Maybe, finally, the Bush administration will get their noses out of our state decisions ( and private affairs) and allow us to bring comfort and reconciliation to our terminal citizens who request this option. Btw we call it "Death with dignity" not assisted suicide. It only allows dying people to choose the time and place of their own death. Many get the medication but never use it. They are relieved of suffering just by knowing they have control.

Supreme Court Upholds Ore. Suicide Law
By GINA HOLLAND, Associated Press Writer

40 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Tuesday upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die.

Justices, on a 6-3 vote, said the 1997 Oregon law used to end the lives of more than 200 seriously ill people trumped federal authority to regulate doctors.

That means the administration improperly tried to use a federal drug law to prosecute Oregon doctors who prescribe overdoses. Then-Attorney General John Ashcroft vowed to do that in 2001, saying that doctor-assisted suicide is not a "legitimate medical purpose."

Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the majority, said the federal government does, indeed, have the authority to go after drug dealers and pass rules for health and safety.

But Oregon's law covers only extremely sick people _ those with incurable diseases, whom at least two doctors agree have six months or less to live and are of sound mind.

We need a new Declaration of Independence.

Suggestion here: http://circus-minimus.blogspot.com/

Ricky,

Bush supporters have repeatedly cried "Clinton did it too!".

1. If Clinton broke the law, the Republican Congress would have impeached him for it. In fact, they impeached him for much less.

2. Congress has closed the loophole allowing physical searches without a warrant since Clinton authorized a search in the Aldrich Ames case which is so often quoted by the freedom haters.

Here is a partial transcript from last night's Larry King Live:

KING: How about his point that Clinton did it?

RISEN: There was a --- he mentioned the Aldrich Ames case in I think it was 1994 or '93 while the investigation of Aldrich Ames, who was a Soviet spy, was ongoing. Janet Reno authorized a physical search of Ames' house without a search warrant.

Under the FISA --- under the rules at that time the attorney general could authorize a warrantless physical search of a house. After the Ames case, it's my understanding that Congress changed that and closed that loophole and so that now that kind of search couldn't be done under the law.

For anyone who wants to learn the realities about NSA spying legalities, history, and basis I have posted links to the lawsuit filed today.

The lawsuit is mentioned in a post on another thread here with a link to the complaint (link here).

The complaint sets out, in detail, all there is to know about the subject.

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Ricky #1

There is absolutely no merit to the talking points of the neoCons which you are parroting here.

I join David's comments in his post #5, and add this link for clarification.

And if you care to go to the horse's mouth, an actual court case filed today, which includes some conservatives as plaintiffs, read my post #6 above.

Ricky - Sorry, sweety, but you're wrong again. Clinton never violated FISA guidelines, nor did he ever argue that it was his priviledge to do so as President.

I know it's hard for you hon, but TRY to post an original thought once in awhile - can you do that, please?

Try reading the link Dredd provided above, you might just learn something.

And stop getting your news from "The Rick and Bubba Show"! It's rotting your brain!

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Al Gore, a true Patriot. That is the kind of intellect and morality that SHOULD be at the helm of the world's mos tpowerful nation. And Wow Ricky, thanks for pitching us such nice, fat softballs. Sounds like you know your back is up against the wall of truth. Hee, hee! Batter up!

Ricky: You're batting .000. Wrong on every count. First of all, Clinton wasn't a liberal. Secondly, he never violated FISA; at least, there's no evidence that he did. Spying on Americans is legal IF YOU OBTAIN A WARRANT. If Clinton broke the law by spying without a warrant (nobody is claiming this), then he should have been called to account for it.

We can assume he didn't break the law, because Republicans were in control of Congress after 1994 and would have been glad to hang him for it. They didn't, did they? They hung him for lying about a blow job, which I hope you'll agree isn't quite the same as lying about the reasons for sending 2,000 soldiers to their deaths and lying about a clandestine spying program that was conducted WITHOUT WARRANTS and is therefore illegal.

Wiretapping our kids: http://www.commondreams..../headlines06/0117-12.htm

Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-VT, said he had grave concerns about the legality of the database. “I think this is absolutely wrong,” he told the Vermont Guardian. “You have the law, and then you have an administration that says we don’t like the law so let’s find another way of doing it.”

“When my kids were in school I would have been really angry if this had happened,” said Leahy, whose youngest son enlisted in the Marines. “I would have been absolutely ripped if they would have gone into his high school or other records to contact him this way; I know nothing that allows it.”

“Data mining and proliferation of using databases are all concerns because it represents an administration that does not believe in checks and balances,” said Leahy. “Can you imagine our country if a Joseph McCarthy or J. Edgar Hoover has the electronic power these guys have today?”

Discomfort over the database extends to other members of Congress. Seven senators, including New York’s Hillary Rodham Clinton and Wisconsin’s Russ Feingold, both Democrats, sent a letter to Rumsfeld on June 24 asking him to “immediately cease creation of this database.”

To Jo :

Thanks for the comment regarding Death with Dignity. Having watched two close friends die without dignity in the last 6 months it hits very close to the heart.

How is death dignified by suffering? Some insane doctor made a pitch that it brought people to a higher level of humanity. I hope someday he is "allowed" the terrible pain of suffering and then I wonder his opinion.

The fact that being allowed to CHOOSE your ending is in itself the dignity we should all have. If it is breaking some ethical, moral value...who sets up the law to the our judge.

I am so damn sick of Conservatives thinking their way is the only way and all of us should follow.

Anybody watching the Press Conference on C-Span?

Scotty seems a bit tense today.

http://www.worldcantwait...mp;id=694&Itemid=184

Al Gore: "US Constitution in Grave Danger"

Al Gore indicted the Bush administration’s "unprecedented claims to a truly breathtaking expansion of executive power." Speaking of Bush’s domestic spying program, he said that "what we do know about this pervasive wiretapping virtually compels the conclusion that the President…has been breaking the law repeatedly and persistently." Gore gave four compelling reasons why we are in for "something more than another cycle of overreach and regret."

And he said this: "If the pattern of practice begun by this administration is not challenged, it may well become a permanent part of the American system."

Can you come to grips with this and NOT act? Can you know the truth of what is going on and NOT do everything you can to build the BUSH STEP DOWN protests planned for January 31 and February 4?

Shakespeare said that there is a tide in the affairs of men. With the Alito nomination, the wiretap scandal, and the new crisis with Iran, that tide is now raging. Bush will try to use his State of the Union address on January 31 to turn the current decisively his way. If there are not thousands and thousands saying BUSH STEP DOWN at the tops of their voices, he may well succeed. For us to fail to act is to invite disaster.

On the other hand, to act now – to take up the challenge – could make all the difference. There is a tide, but that tide can be turned.

If we don’t want the future that the Bush regime is jamming down our throats, we can do something about it. There are millions who are agonizing. Reach out to them. Now. Volunteer. Donate. Be there. Join us.

The world truly cannot wait. BUSH STEP DOWN.

A new Zogby poll will be released tomorrow showing that by a 52% to 43% margin, Americans believe that Congress should consider impeaching George W. Bush if he wiretapped the people of this country without court approval (and everyone knows and Bush has admitted that he ordered just such huge secret spying operation.) The poll, with a plus or minus margin of error of 2.9%, shows that 66% of Democrats, 59% of independents, and 23% of Republicans support impeachment for wiretapping. The significance of this poll can be seen by way of comparison with public attitudes in the months before the impeachment of Clinton. In August and September 1998, sixteen major polls found that only 36% supported hearings to impeach Clinton.

To : Bush Step Down

Will never happen...to many owe to the Bush machine.

If the 2006 elections show that enough American people from ALL PARTIES say enough then maybe, but I doubt it, the Republicans will do a Nixon and force him out. Only for fear of their own political lives. Only the loss of power will make our employees, the Senators and Congressmen and women do the job we pay them for.

Al Gore's speech really angered me yesterday, but not for the reasons one would think (i.e. his points).

All along during his speech, the only thing that ran through my head was, "Oh Oh Oh... so NOW he grows a spine!"

Where was this anger in January 2001, when several minority Representatives were standing up to challenge the counting of the electors' votes in Florida (especially those Representatives from Jacksonville?)

I am certain that my senator, Sen. Patty Murray (a protege of Sen. Hillary Clinton) would have been happy to sign off on the Representatives' complaints. But, no, it was Gore himself telling Senate Democrats to keep quiet!!!

Since then, there have been so many abuses of power, so many civil rights stripped away at the stroke of the Republican pen, that anywhere, he could have redeemed himself at any given time.

A lot of the suffering could have been wiped out by Al Gore simply allowing my senator to approve of the challenge to the electors.

Sorry, Al, but your little tizzy fit is FAR TOO LITTLE and FAR TOO LATE.

Maybe he [and everyone from that party] should take it as a lesson to fight, not cower.

TexasLady: Hello there! Haven't talked to you in a while! I hope you and your family are well!

MrBlueSky: I am from WA also. Just sent Murray an e-mail about Alito because I trust neither she nor Maria Cantwell to vote against Alito. Told them that if they vote for Alito that not only will I not vote for them, I will actively campaign against them. Even if it means that we end up with Dino Rossi for four years - it would be a case of "Hey look how bad things can get if Democrats don't act like Democrats - we end up with a Repug who doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground." I'll do it too. I'm not taking any more shit from Democrats who can't stand up for what's right (and therefore I am in wholehearted agreement with your comment on Gore from 2000/01 - he's much more the president that I would want now than he was then.)

If you haven't (since you're local) check out Mark Wilson's website. He's running against Cantwell this year www.votemark.org

Woops MrBlueSky forgot to include this...I disagree with your "far too little far too late." He said many necessary things and if he's a catalyst for change then his words are needed. Think of it this way - what kind of stymied presidency would he have had with the Republican congress? They would have pulled bullshit on him on a regular basis just like they did with Clinton. He's not as charismatic as Clinton and he would have been a one-term president, and it would have just delayed the inevitable corrupt criminal Republican leadership sponsored by PNAC. Lately I've been leaning more and more to the opinion that all of this BuSHIT has been necessary for our country. It's like addiction: to get better you have to hit rock bottom. That's where we are right now, rock fucking bottom. And it's going to get better. I have readily ripped Gore in the past, but I see that he has grown as a political figure in the interim - he HAS grown the spine that he lacked five years ago, and I'm willing to accept that for what it is. And if he can wield some common sense, some dignity, and some honesty towards our current political debacle then I say more power to him. We're certainly not getting much out of those who are currently in office. And I would say the same to each of you concerning the Alito confirmation - tell those pricks that you will campaign against them for independent progressive candidates if they vote to confirm.

Soul Rebel #21

I too have been wondering where the dems have been. It seems like they have been either cowards or lazy. I'm not sure which. With the exception of a few, such as John Conyers, it seems like they have been content to sit back and let it all flow.

I sure hope they get on the bandwagon and run these people out on a rail come November!

RE 2006...yeah, if the election fraud has not become totaly undetectable by then and the fix is in again for the GOP. God I wish we could trust that an election was anywhere close to the real will of the people!

mistake made by the website on previous post (#23) I was writing it TO TexasLady.
DaveK

This is a great speech. Comment #19: What he shoulda coulda woulda done in the past doesn't matter as much on January 16, 2006 because he's standing up today against the corrupt vulgar display of power which King George Bush has given himself. Gore won the Presidential election in 2000. The Supreme Court Let Florida Govenor Jeb Bush illegally give the office of the presidency to his brother in a popular election he never won. No one is a perfect person. This country desperately needs American people to stand up and call a spade a spade right now. As Vice President, Gore helped draft the Kyoko Treaty to reduce GLOBAL WARMING. Of course the Bushit administration refused to sign the treaty and has allowed auto companies and mega corporate oil and energy conglomerates to NOT be responsible to this world crisis causing climate change and melting the polar ice caps. The US is the biggest producer of harmful carbon dioxide gases heating up our planet. Thank you Mr. Al Gore for this very important messege for all AMERICANS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TO THE ROBOTS IN CONGRESS.

Ricky, I thought we here at Brad Blog established that, in the rules of debate, you cannot mention Clinton or Carter, when responding to an illegal act!!! That means.......YOU LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can't answer a charge, by saying, "well, it's OK, because Clinton or Carter did it." That's not debating.

And if they did do it,

1. They shouldn't have done it.
2. They were illegal in doing it.
3. That still means Bush was illegal in doing it.

Clinton and Carter are not the president. Bush is the president, he did something illegal, he should be impeached. Clinton was impeached WHILE he was president. Carter was never impeached, and cannot be impeached because he is not president.

Ricky,

Are you still married to Lucy? You've got some 'splainin' to do!

Read below, so you can see in "real time" how the Republican echo chamber in the media works. They float lies in the news. The lazy, pro-Republican MSM repeats the lies, instead of filtering outright lies, and people like Ricky, who hear these lies and don't think for themselves or research, repeat these lies. Thus, the Republican Echo Chamber in the news. The idea is to either suppress important factual news because it doesn't suit their agenda, OR if they can't, they float lies into the MSM (which stinks on ICE), the MSM simply gives the GOP a forum to megaphone their lies, and people like Ricky repeat them. Keep in mind, it's always NOT Al Gore's words, it's a rightwing media personality twisting his words, and the stinky MSM repeating the lies, instead of not airing lies or debating the liar (holding the liar accountable).

Here's Al Gore's words, not someone else saying what Al Gore said......in response to the rightwing media/MSM lies that Clinton/Gore engaged in illegal wiretapping:

Gore's Reply To The MSM/GOP Echo Chamber Lies About Clinton/Gore Wiretapping

White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan is piloting the Global Hawk (a remote controlled military aircraft) directly into the living rooms of anyone that will believe him. Maybe you can do a better job flying the GLOBAL HAWK than those Arab terrorist pilots armed with box cutters who flew them on 9/11.

We are the Corporate owned government controlled U.S. mass media.

To Americans:

Good luck trying to breaking us up bitch.

Thanks Gore and Hillary! Thanks for showing what the Demo Party is all about. I hope they keep talking and screeching!!!!

And to #7 - Why not raise the minimum wage to $100 an hour!
Unmeployment for a year?
How about give a job, house, and car to every American and illegal alien?!!!

You are the perfect leftist kook Democrat communist! Thanks!

I am so glad I am not miserable like you kooks!

then go away, Your Holiness.

Paul, maybe you would suggest taking all the poor and weary and shoving them under the rug like some of your friends have done up to today. Maybe they can do away with minimum wage altogether so you can shove another 100 trillion into the pigs' mouth. You might even want to do away with any medicare and any kind of assistance to the disabled. Oh yeah! I seem to have forgotten, they are already working on that. Oops, how could I have forgotten something like that? My Mistake! Douche...

I have been reading alot of blogs since Gore's speech and many have said, why now and not then. I must agree with SR, perhaps the people had to see just how corrupt the people, we have elected, (and the selected emperor with no clothes) have become and bushco was the vehicle for doing just that. I don't believe Gore would have gotten as much attention 'then' as he has 'now'. He did fight in 2000, much more than Kerry, Kerry didn't even whimper imo.

I have to believe, for my sanity, that people are waking up. I have so much trouble tho when I see people going on with their lives in Wonderland. When I read the posts of the trolls that post here, I pity them for their ignorance. I can only imagine they are young and don't have a clue what a future under fascism holds for them and their families. How they could wish this on their families is just beyond my comprehension. I feel this for my own son and grandson. My son, who proudly displays his 'w' signed picture on his wall but never reads a book or newspaper, is happy as hell in Wonderland. Will he wake up, I don't know. I am finding that I have to detach from him and his son, I cannot support his support of this corruption. I will distance myself from others as well, those I know that support the evil that resides in D.C.

I hope the cons keep pounding on Gore, this will just keep the story alive and perhaps a few more sleeping ones will wake up. We need a speech like this once a week to keep the cons focused on the destruction of our Constitution and the culture of corruption in this Nation. They are on the defense right now and rightly so. Today the dems held a press conference on cleaning it up, I only saw one member of congress in the group from my state. I am fanatical about details and this one did not escape me. Perhaps I will mention this when I get my next request for donation from the dems.

I am rambling, haven't posted for awhile. Wondering if I should just erase this and go back to being a lurker.....oh well, here goes, I will press the submit button. M4

The US Constitution is in Grave Danger.

"Breathtaking expansion of executive power."

"The President…has been breaking the law repeatedly and persistently."

"If the pattern of practice begun by this administration is not challenged, it may well become a permanent part of the American system."

Can you come to grips with this and NOT act? Join the people who are doing something about it. Help organize massive demonstrations on 1/31 and 2/4.

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