READER COMMENTS ON
"SPY VS. SPY: The CIA's Italian Kidnapping Caper Gets Out of Hand"
(24 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 12/9/2005 @ 2:00 am PT...
The Muslim cleric can't have been kidnapped and sent away to be tortured, because we don't torture. Bush said that. And John McCain, who knows about this stuff, says torture doesn't work because people lie to avoid being tortured. And Condi said we don't condone torture, even though she also said our interrogation techniques have been producing results, which is kinda' weird because it contradicts McCain, unless the interrogation Condi was talking about isn't torture even though she won't tell us what it is.
This cleric must have been kidnapped by the C.I.A. for a different reason. Maybe he's going to become the new Shah in Iran. We haven't had a Shah for a while over there. Maybe it's time.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Kira
said on 12/9/2005 @ 2:10 am PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Judge of Judges
said on 12/9/2005 @ 5:19 am PT...
"Concentration Camp Conservative" or
"Koncentration Kamp Konservatives" Support
The bush family business stock and trade is
Ultimately to Murder the Poor and Disadvantaged
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/9/2005 @ 5:38 am PT...
Evidently the admin considers the reported 5% recent gain in presidential approval a mandate. Kidnapping in foreign nations is not below them.
Karl Rove must be so confident that the has called out the dogs. An attack is going to be made on democrats (link here) saying they are waving the white flag in Iraq. The George Bush Democrats, like Lieberman, are supporting the admin.
This new push is full of Schmidt, who called war hero Murtha a coward. It will not work.
Meanwhile its beginning to look a lot like Fitzmas (link here) because Fitzgerald is spending hour upon hour with the new grand jury and bringing them up to speed on the CIA Leak investigation.
Victory is the new lie word, and "victory" to the admin simply means staying until a new president is elected, no matter what is happening to the troups.
There are 1,000 Iraqis for each American soldier. Yes, Iraq has a population of some 138,000,000 people, or about a thousand for each soldier. Murtha reports that 80%, or 110,400,000 (one hundred and ten million) want us out.
And 62,100,000 (sixty two million) Iraqis say it is ok to kill American soldiers in Iraq who are part of the occupation.
So saying American congressmen are cowards because they are in sync with the American public is surely going to cause the neoCons to get a good ass kicking in next years election.
It will hurt the moderate republicans too, because most of the neoCons (90%) claim to be republicans.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 12/9/2005 @ 6:00 am PT...
The 5% pick up in Bush's approval rating leaves him at 40%. The background polls prove that the entire gain was related to Bush's "handling" of the economy (as if any president could actually handle an economy this size, let alone a man like Bush).
The third-quarter G.D.P. gains came largely from hurricane repair work. I suppose the 5% who like Bush better because the economy picked up after two major hurricanes are the same ones who think Brownie was doing a heck of a job.
As Lincoln might have said, "You can fool 5% of the people all the time, or all the people 5% of the time."
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/9/2005 @ 6:21 am PT...
I listened to an ex-CIA agent on Hardball with Chris Matthews a few days ago. This CIA field agent had worked many years in Iraq.
He says the invasion and the US military presence in the middle east is about oil. Duh.
There is a "House Peak Oil Caucus" in congress now.
They held a hearing, where scientists explained that "Peak Oil is not a theory", it is a fact (link here).
The new order of spies and war is all about oil now. This is because we have let the oil barons run America for too long. And they are brain dead to the point of thinking the unthinkable.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Medium Right
said on 12/9/2005 @ 8:58 am PT...
Liberals were against the cold war like they are on the wrong side of history in every war. You people are the weak of the country. History proves nothing less. Good luck next election. LOL
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/9/2005 @ 10:33 am PT...
Medium Right #7
Your shotgun blast into the crowd left me wondering if you are talking to the wall again.
We won't need luck in the next election. It is a given.
There is no side when there is no "victory" but instead more lies.
Only 25% of Americans think your fuehrer has a real plan for "victory" other than more cardboard fronts behind him as he skips, propagandizes, and hides on military bases where people are commanded what to believe.
The 75% who see a pig in a poke in the Iraq junket are who "liberals" are.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/9/2005 @ 11:02 am PT...
Scooter Libby has an arab twin. An ideological twin that helped get Iraq invaded. His name is Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi.
Thru the imaculate language developed by now Judge Bybee and General Gonzales (torture isn't "torture"), Libi was tortured by the Egyptians in a rendition before the invasion of Iraq, and said Al Qaeda was based in Iraq (link here).
He was lying to stop being tortured. No wonder The Dick VP likes torture ... they say what he wants them to say. Keep the torture up and we will have "proof" of The Dick VP's rantings and ravings.
Why the hell doesn't The Dick VP torture some of the insurgents until the say we won so we can end the circus? the death? the destruction? the lies? and the ruination of the reputation of America?
Why? Cause they do not want to leave until the permanent military bases are complete and therefore the oil, which has been divied up to various oil barons, can be distrubuted "freely" (and thus "freedom" can equate to "victory").
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jaime
said on 12/9/2005 @ 11:20 am PT...
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Judge of Judges
said on 12/9/2005 @ 12:38 pm PT...
"medium right" ENLIST I drive you to the staion.
Beware!!! Liberals that Post On Conservative BLOGs
have their messages removed AND HAVE had Virues
and PERSONAL info sent to their Mailboxes and eBay.
How do they get this Data ??? Homeland security ???
Are we now in the Fascist States of AmeriKKKa ???
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Medium Right
said on 12/9/2005 @ 12:47 pm PT...
America doesnt elect cowards Dredd. Liberals are cowards.
I wonder how it felt to be a soldier in Iraq and here Dean say it was ridiculous to think we could win.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Medium Right
said on 12/9/2005 @ 12:49 pm PT...
If you want peace why not go over and be a peace activist in Iraq like the ones who are about to get their heads sawed off while concious. I wonder how they are feeling about their peace or if they wish an American soldier would come in and kill their captives.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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Judge of Judges
said on 12/9/2005 @ 1:40 pm PT...
"medium right" ENLIST I drive you to the staion.
1-2-3-4-5 Deferments * dick "Go Fuck Yourself" cheney
AWOL in time of war * The coward g w bush
Boil on the ASS " Flush Limbowel aka rush limbo
All Koncentration Kamp Konservatives KKK
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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jaime
said on 12/9/2005 @ 4:31 pm PT...
#12 medium
Well, according to Tommy Franks former Centcom commander, morale is not affected by politicians statements back home. The Iraq War vet I spent Thanksgiving with would concur.
What does win mean? Tell me in one paragraph what an American victory in Iraq is.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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Soul Rebel
said on 12/9/2005 @ 5:41 pm PT...
"America doesn't elect cowards"
What's the betting he wasn't saying that when Clinton was president?
What a hypocrite. Chump.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Ricky
said on 12/10/2005 @ 5:00 am PT...
Clinton stood by passively while we were attacked multiple times. The cole got attacked and he didnt do anything. The trade center attacked, nothing. Embassy's? Nothing.
World: Heres Osama
Clinton: no thanks.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/10/2005 @ 5:30 am PT...
I saw the movie Syriana last night. It is sure not to be liked by the neoCons.
The protrayal of CIA agents as tools of the oil barons is telling. It also shows that they own the justice department and indictments of officials is bargained for and is pablum for the masses.
The CIA is now been purged of folks who have a brain and so they can be used as soldiers.
Every policy of the government concerning the middle east is based on oil.
The war now is between the eastern world and the western world over oil. Its the new cold war which the admin is trying to paint as a war for democracy.
It boils down to a war with the US leading on one side and China leading on the other. The problem is that the western world does not like the US at the lead if the US has a Bush/Cheney persona.
And if you throw in the Peak Oil (link here, and here), it becomes clear that the war can be characterized as two crazed animals fighting to the death over the last morsel.
See the movie Syriana.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/10/2005 @ 5:38 am PT...
Speaking of spying, three judges in New York, Texas and Maryland have awakened.
They have changed the practice of government spying on us by using our cell phone GPS signalling at will.
They now require the government to show "probable cause" that a crime has been or is about to be committed before they can track our movements.
In other states evidently the government is tracking your movements by using your cell phone transmissions (link here).
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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Rod Prechter (207.69.137.35)
said on 12/10/2005 @ 8:59 am PT...
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COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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George Thomas (207.69.137.35)
said on 12/10/2005 @ 9:03 am PT...
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COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/10/2005 @ 9:51 am PT...
Rob and George #20, #21
Your posts are out of it because they are too long.
The proper procedure is to post a link, and quote only so much as to give the gist of the link.
Your posts will be fixed I suspect.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Soul Rebel
said on 12/10/2005 @ 10:35 pm PT...
(P)Ricky,
Thanks for backing up my comment. Turns out you are useful for something after all.
Now go shine my shoes.
Chump.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 12/20/2005 @ 5:47 am PT...
The President Is Spying On US
Even tho the NYT withheld the story for a year, I commend them for finally releasing the story.
The president exerted influence to try to get them not to publish it, but they printed it anyway (link here).
The difference in this and PlameGate is that the leak uncovers criminal activity of the president, but the PlameGate outing harmed a CIA agent who was fighting the use of WMD against Americans.
Only the neoCons would not see the difference and that the NYT leak was the right thing to do.