READER COMMENTS ON
"Frank, Conyers Inquire Into Impeachment of 'Senior White House Officials'!"
(38 Responses so far...)
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Chris
said on 7/15/2005 @ 2:39 pm PT...
As a student of research, and long-time familiarity with the Library of Congress I'd say, well... That sounds about right...
It's about time for the sake of our nations security, especially after watching the major abusive of powers by the majority (R) congress yesterday on the floor of the Senate.
I honestly can't understand how any'one' could convincingly defend the outing of our DOC CIA agents. It is my viewpoint to be the worst act to our entire contry's security. Any type of debate to defend such actions is merely stating you're a supporter of treasonable acts. Various television news stations should be ashamed of themselves (last night and today) leaving me with but 1 question for them: "How long have you been lying to folks like myself?" Much left our mothers, grandparents and our troops?
Thank you Congressmen John Conyers (D-MI) and Barney Frank (D-MA) for showing me what being a true American patriot is all about. I am a proud Democrat because of the two of you, as well as all the Democrats both in the House and the Senate.
When you're voices are stifled, and road-tracked, it leaves Americans without a voice, too. Please, don't ever let that happen. Behind you all the way.
MD, USA!
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Chris
said on 7/15/2005 @ 2:46 pm PT...
P.S.
And to think, the Republican Party ran on "morals" and "values." Makes you wonder what happened to those idealogies - yes, it sure does make one wonder. Quite frankly, it's past the "worse administration ever..." Well past that and terrifying, I might add. When you live with more fears from your Presidential office vs. Terrorists, what does that say!?!
Even local Republicans say they've never seen anything like "this" administration and trust me, when they get angry look out when it comes time for their votes to be counted. And that's what I hear in mere passing. Imagine if I actually struck-up a conversation with any of them.
Here's hoping other Senators & Rep's stand behind Congressmen John Conyers and Barney Frank with Impeachment processes. At least more then "half" the country will be behind you.
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
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Cole...
said on 7/15/2005 @ 3:26 pm PT...
The Impeachment process only works when the House responds to the Will of the People. This House does not and this Senate will not convict, if they did.
The keyword is 'Honesty' which you touched on in the first comment. There is no recognition of honesty any more than there is the recognition of the constant parade of lies by this administration or this mostly supine bought-out congress.
It is a brave try by Frank and Conyers and a few others but as the history of our times is read it will be the Cheney version. Be prepared to read of the heroics of bush and cheney in Nam.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
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Patriot
said on 7/15/2005 @ 3:42 pm PT...
Simple Math
Rove=Traitor
Republicans=Co.Conspirtitors
Press=Lazy Co-Conspirtitors
Bush=War Monger,Probable Traitor,War Criminal
Democrates=Weak But Starting to Catch On
Wilson/Plame=Reluctant Hero's
Novak=Despicable,Right Wing Lackey/Traitor
Bloggers=Our Only Hope
Thanks
Need to Vent On Occation
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Bruised and Abused in the USA
said on 7/15/2005 @ 5:14 pm PT...
Please for the sake of whats left of our Nation DON'T EVER GIVE UP!
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Winter Patriot
said on 7/15/2005 @ 6:07 pm PT...
A very interesting approach here ... and I do hope it works!
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Constant
said on 7/15/2005 @ 6:32 pm PT...
Good point!
Help --- Requested action: Torqued/Brad
Please forward this link to Congressman Conyers and Ambassador Wilson for their immediate reivew.
Urgent!
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 7/15/2005 @ 7:04 pm PT...
Constant what do you think? Brad and Torqued have nothing better to do than advertise your blog?
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Alyce Avakian Douglas
said on 7/15/2005 @ 7:26 pm PT...
We do have laws and rules, isn't it about time, we put our laws and rules into action, and let these thugs know we, the American People, are not playing no more, impeach them all. Enough is enough.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 7/15/2005 @ 8:29 pm PT...
Constant #7 --
I have tried to help you get your registration issue straightened out at ConyersBlog but for some unknown reason the admin there is unresponsive. That sort of assistance is about all I can personally offer you.
I can only hope you'll keep trying until you get a response, either denial or approval of your registration. I wish you the best.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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Jeff
said on 7/15/2005 @ 8:33 pm PT...
This is a good development. I hope Conyers and Frank take another step to introduce legislation that prohibits Presidential pardons of those convicted of treasonous crimes. To pardon traitors is to condone treason.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Constant
said on 7/15/2005 @ 8:36 pm PT...
Subj: Unable to get access to Conyers blog
Hi Winter Patriot #8
Maybe you could be more specific as to your concern. I wasn't clear that this was a joint WP-BradBlog forum. [ More . . . ]
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Torqued
said on 7/15/2005 @ 9:41 pm PT...
Constant #12 --
I don't think WP meant to inflame, hes too fair and respectable for that sort of thing. I think you misunderstood him a bit.
Now lets get back on topic shall we?
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
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The Oracle
said on 7/15/2005 @ 11:21 pm PT...
Unfortunately, I don't think Karl Rove will fall under "all civil officers of the United States" and be open to impeachment. Why?
Karl Rove? Civil? You've got to be kidding. Someone who has made a career of smearing, defaming and slandering other people can hardly be called "civil."
And this is why John Bolton could hardly be called one of the "civil officers of the United States" either. Uncivil, yes. Inhumane, yes. Belligerent and blindly partisan, yes.
But then, they both appear to have attended the Joseph McCarthy School of Political Uncivility, as apparently did Lee Atwater. And Tomlinson. And Delay. And Frist. And Cheney. And GW Bush. And....
Hell, they're all unimpeachable since they are all uncivil officers as well as unpatriotic, lying, thieving U.S. citizens.
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Anne Minnick
said on 7/16/2005 @ 5:14 am PT...
Conyers and Frank:It is simply brilliant to raise this question. Seems it could be applicable. If it has never been done in the History of our Laws,then why not go for a precedent? After all, if Bush and his regime can change the interpretations of law by the Patriot Act, and the interpretation of our prior Laws on compliance with the civil rights and Geneava Convention, it should stand to reason that we should be able to set precedent changes in impeachment laws to deal with treason and treachery. If they can redefine the interpretation of Law to be harsher on criminals, and stricter on limiting civil freedoms, then lets not forget to be harsher on traitors and treasonous people, and to be stricter in limiting their civil freedoms. Lets also remember the DSM and the case for this War in Iraq allegedly being illegal and a crime against humanity. Take away a cornerstone and the whole regime structure is more likely to collapse.
We have plenty enough ethical people eager and capable of leading our coutry well. We can impeach as many people as deserve it.
As the capitalist always like to remind us working people "No one is irreplaceable!" Not even the entire Bush administration!
Time to clean house and take out the garbage. Maybe then we can stop the War and resolve things more diplomatically and humanitarianly, and bring our troops home. Iraq doesn't need our traitors using us to cause Iraq hell on earth any more than they or we need the terrorists also causing hell on earth for everyone. Our troops intend to be heros, not to be betrayed into fighting an illegal war for traitors. To best honor our troops who have and would die for us, we must never allow any traitors to illegally put their lives on the line for traitorous reasons of personal gain ever again. Does the Laws for impeachment say anything about Death sentences for impeached persons who commit crimes against humanity? Perhaps they should, and then it would discourage treason and crimes against humanity . Bush is very pro death penalty, isn't he?
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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TateMatthews
said on 7/16/2005 @ 5:18 am PT...
:blush: Have to keep trying. It's boring to keep writing the media, signing petitions and emailing/writing Congress but think of all the RESISTANCE MOVEMENT did and risked to fight Hitler.
The UK WhiteRoseSociety.com writes about the British version of the Patriot Act that has been passed under the radar of the more and more intimidated British press. Calls itself Samdzyet after the Russian citizens in the old Soviet Union helped bring it down by self-publishing the TRUTH. The Internet is a God-send.
Visit Whistleblower Sibyl Edmonds Just A Citizen.org to support her and her organization to protect Whistleblowers, she is getting support from Rep.Waxman who is also posting updates on what the Congress is doing about the shameful torture concentration camps run by Bushco.
here is a 10 page document showing that although KKKarl Rove committed treason, as usual with the Bush Crime Family the whole truth is much, much dirtier.
American Judas - links included re: PNAC Cheney and active Bilderberg Rumsfeld have been working all sides in providing a Nuclear "Walmart" out of Pakistan for Korea, Iran, and other Middle Eastern and Asian countries.
http://www.democraticund...104×2178477#2180220
This was written Aug. 8, 2004 and contains information and links you can't afford to miss on the corruption and working against the US National Security by the Bush Regime.
The real reason Valerie Plame was outed by Cheney through Rove was that she and her team were working on a sting operation of the WMDs on the open market out of PAKISTAN (Reason why Pakistanis are being blamed for London bombings like the Saudis in 911 at most they were subcontractors of the bad cells or sections of the CIA owned by former CIA director George H.W. Bush - see MK-Ultra Senate Hearings.)
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 7/16/2005 @ 6:17 am PT...
"Civil" is the root of "civilian." If we use "president, vice president, or civil officers" to describe those subject to impeachment. it seems to me that anyone other than a uniformed member of the armed services, federal prison guard, or Secret Service officer would be included.
What other reason would the founding fathers have had for using that specific language? In this context, "civil" doesn't apply to one's conduct (Rove's certainly is uncivil), rather to status. Rove can only be called a civil officer.
This distinction is lost on Bush, of course. Bush assumes Rove works for HIM, even though his salary is paid by THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Thus, Bush would reserve for himself the right to decide Rove's fate. That's wrong, of course...but when has Bush ever been right about anything?
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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eyeswideopen
said on 7/16/2005 @ 7:41 am PT...
The two congressmen who are brave enough to put their names to this document are in need of protection. The dirty tricks of this administration are legion. How can we the people ensure the safety of the RARE leaders who dare to actually lead?
These are very dangerous times with the apparatus of the American gestapo headed by agent Chertoff and ghoulie Rumsfeld's own Pentagon special forces unit at his disposal.
This Bushonian monstrosity has been allow to grow and fester to very dangerous levels, we the people need to marshall all of our forces to protect these RARE leaders willing to risk all to end this ongoing coup.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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Romelee Brightwell
said on 7/16/2005 @ 8:29 am PT...
I think they are very brave . but the Repulican usally win out.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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crusader bunnypants
said on 7/16/2005 @ 10:18 am PT...
The entire U.S. Government and its Corporate State Controlled Media need to be tarred and feathered for lying about 9/11, for lying to start an illegal war of conquest in Iraq, and for not obeying their oaths to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution from enemies foreign (Israel) and domestic (AIPAC). The territorial pissings in Iraq are going to fester into the Third World War. We need to bring them to justice for Dubya Dubya 3!
Art. II, Sec. 4: The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors...
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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CV
said on 7/16/2005 @ 2:33 pm PT...
6 Questions:
Are we at war?
Wasn't the rational for the war WMDs?
Wouldn't blowing a major clandestine WMD-tracking network be detrimental to the war effort?
Would that constitute aid to the enemy?
Isn't that treason in a time of war?
Is that still punishable by firing squad?
It's bigger than Rove. It's part of a larger disaster. It may not have actually been Rove hisself that actually leaked, but it was not accidental and trying to turn it back on the reporters is about the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard (and I deal with Juvenile Delinquent Teenagers every day, I've heard a few lame arguments). The flow of classified info does not go FROM reporter TO White house official. I'm sorry to say that Colon Bowel might have been the conduit from State to Whitehouse, making him a potential leak, may just be more Rove-o-matic Wonder-spin, but who can tell in Bizarro World?
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Cole...
said on 7/16/2005 @ 9:39 pm PT...
Perhaps I am missing something but I wonder if the Rovegate/Plamegate issue is masking a larger issue The SOTU address by the pResident and the 16 words in three parts:
1. Is a SOTU address a test of Presidential honesty?
2. Does an intentional mistruth ( i.e. lie )in any way
become an equivalent of 'testimony' under oath?
3. Does such a mistruth rise to the level of being
an 'impeachable offense'?
What it appears to me is that there was no accident in including the 16 words into the SOTU, and the outing of Plame and the going after Wilson is in itself an "admission" by bushco that they knew it to be false, i.e. a lie. The only reason for going after them is to keep that central issue out of sight.
The cental issue is that the pRes lied in a most important speech---the SOTU. and that issue should be foremost.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Gettin it in Da Shortz
said on 7/16/2005 @ 11:49 pm PT...
It was TREASON, folks. They all have aggregiously violated their oaths of orifice and need a good hot roto-rooter'ing or high colonic to get them back on track again. I recommend using long, household variety fish tapes used to buck wiring thru conduits, with HOT SOLDERING IRONS on the business end...shoved up their CULO's, after full insertion, plug em in and watch
em 'plump up' just like Oscar Meyer Weiners on the grill.
but seriously, doesn't matter they committed TREASON, nobody is going to indict, try, or prosecute them, and
we're stuck with these anal orifices for the rest of
goober boy's term in orifice. nuff said.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Shantar Miche-al
said on 7/17/2005 @ 2:15 am PT...
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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We must be true ...... believe in Justice
said on 7/17/2005 @ 8:59 am PT...
Thank you Rep. Conyers for keeping up the fight when so many others are putting their heads in the sand. We appreciate all that you have and will do.
Justice is and will be served by the many who believe in it. By those who live their lives by it and who serve it.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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KeithK
said on 7/18/2005 @ 2:30 pm PT...
Evenif Rove is guilty of a crime here that crime would not be treason. The Constitution is quite clear as to the legal meaning of treason. No one could make a reasonable case that Rove was levyiing war against the US, or adhering to our enemies, even if his actions did somehow aid them.
Impeachment is a different matter and Congress has discretion to set their own standards. But since impeachment is a political matter there is exactly zero chance that Rove would be impeached or convicted by this Congress based on the Plame situation. Frank and Conyers are simply trying to score political points by bringing up the issue.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 7/19/2005 @ 3:02 am PT...
Impeachment, said Madison, was to be used to reach a bad officer sheltered by the President and to remove him ''even against the will of the President; so that the declaration in the Constitution was intended as a supplementary security for the good behavior of the public officers.''
The language of Sec. 4 does not leave any doubt that any officer in the executive branch is subject to the power; it does not appear that military officers are subject to it nor that members of Congress can be impeached (link here, at Persons Subject to Impeachment, emphasis added).
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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JOHN
said on 7/23/2005 @ 9:53 pm PT...
COME ON PEOPLE ARE YOU ALL DRINKING THE SAME THING"HILLARY,DEAN.BAYH,BIDON,ANS SO MANY MANY MORE ARE GIVING UP THR ABORTION FIGHT,GIVING UP EVERYTHING,DOWNING STREET,THE ELECTION.MANY WILL NOT EVEN BE APART OF IT ,THERE WILL BE NO IMPEACHMENT,WISHING DOES NOT MAKE IT SO.I AM TIRED OF THIS ,THIS IS ALL WIND,NOTHING IS HAPPENING ALL FALLING ON DEAF EARS I AM THINKING ITS JUST SOMEONE'S DREAM AND WILL NEVERR BE REALIZED YEA WE GET PRAISE FRONM ONE PERSON'OH WERE DOING GREAT,,'GUESS WHAT HAPPENED TODAY'KEEP IT UP,AND NOTHING I WONH'T BEAT A DEAD HORSE ANY MORE
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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eoj
said on 7/25/2005 @ 11:32 pm PT...
OUR HERO CHARLES GEORGE FICTION WRITER OR INFORMANT The disclosure two years ago that Orwell, a socialist icon, had acted as an informant caused dismay on the political Left. Michael Foot, the former Labour leader, called it "amazing" and Jimmy Reid, the former union activist turned journalist said it was "a terrible shock".
The author who gave us Big Brother and the Thought Police was himself a government informant whose list of "crypto-communists" has been kept secret for almost half a century.
Now the list - and the dramatic story of its creation - are to be made public in a new edition of George Orwell's work published next week in 20 volumes.
Orwell said that, if it had been done earlier, it might have stopped some people "worming their way into important propaganda jobs where they were probably able to do us a lot of harm".
The names included such literary and political figures as the poet Stephen Spender, the Labour MPs Richard Crossman and Tom Driberg, Charlie Chaplin, J B Priestley and George Bernard Shaw. The names of three dozen who are still alive have been withheld.
In 1996 documents released to the Public Record Office at Kew, west London, disclosed how Orwell furnished the authorities with a list of potential Soviet sympathisers to help Britain confront the propaganda of the Soviet Union. Initially, the intention had been to harness his talents to write or rewrite anti-communist articles. But while Orwell was enthusiastic, he was too ill to help - although he did give Mrs Kirwan a list of authors who could be trusted.
A couple of days later he wrote: "I could also, if it is of any value, give you a list of journalists and writers who, in my opinion, are crypto-communists, fellow travellers, or inclined that way, and should not be trusted as propagandists." The list was passed to the Information Research Department at the Foreign Office, but was removed from the papers lodged at the Public Record Office.
Prof Davison speculates that names marked with an asterisk in Orwell's notebook may have been those he put on the IRD list.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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john
said on 8/1/2005 @ 12:03 pm PT...
Mr.Conyers has been driving martian Luther's car,he has been using it,without permission,he has been picking hitchikers,and leting them in the car under the auspices,of Martian,they then take the banner of Martian,and because they rode a mile in his car,say they were with martian,heart and soul.He has picked up Gays,leasbians,Transexuals,Larry Flint,,he has even picked up rappers like 50 cent,ansd other's who spew foul language,Conyers has picked up,joseph Padilla,the terrorist,and all the terrorists in GITMO,NOW HE IS TRYING TO PULL Islam into the trunk,and give them ligitamaztion,for their wanted law against hate crimes,saying anything against Islam,and the Quran.
Mr.Conyers Martian Luther was not anything likeyou,for you to use his car,his name,is a stain on his honor,
and you have no honor Sir.You'r early onset of Alsyhimers had made you a babbling Idiot Senator or not,You make up accuations,a patient of a mental instution,would hyave a hard time keeping up with,if Bush laughs at something,you will say he was laughing at a soilder who was multilated in Iraq.You'r Alsyhimers,is either worse than your Doctor thinks,or you are just mean spirited man.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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sansum
said on 8/4/2005 @ 3:09 pm PT...
Our good friends over at Catallarchy have honored that fine day of celebrating Socialism, May Day, with a tribute.
They’ve compiled a list of articles describing the horrors and decay that socialism and communism bring to a society.
Think about it the next time someone tries to claim that socialism is the true human ideal.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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tom
said on 8/5/2005 @ 12:32 pm PT...
Dean was referring to, Kelo v. The City of New London, which allows local governments to forcibly acquire private property in order to pad their tax bases, was ascribed to by the court’s liberal coalition of Justices; John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer. The only “conservative” that signed on to this unconstitutional ruling was Justice Anthony Kennedy
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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JOHN
said on 8/5/2005 @ 1:40 pm PT...
The American Center for Voting Rights found that fraud occured in 16 states.
ACVR is a non-partisan, non-profit organization that neither supports nor endorses any political party or candidate.
The most incredible and egregious findings were in Washington State.
After losing both the original count and a subsequent machine recount to Republican Dino Rossi, Democrat Christine Gregoire won a hand recount and was certified as winner of the 2004 Washington gubernatorial election by 129 votes out of more than 2.8 million cast. (298) The ensuing litigation to determine the actual result of the election uncovered clear evidence of vote fraud and irregularities that cast serious doubt upon the validity of a number of votes far exceeding Gregoire’s margin of victory. Illegal votes and election irregularities may have determined the winner of the 2004 gubernatorial race in the state of Washington.
Read about how close The Democrats came to stealing this election . . . .
Vote Fraud And Irregularities In Washington
http://www.ac4vr.com/rep...s/072005/washington.html
After losing both the original count and a subsequent machine recount to Republican Dino Rossi, Democrat Christine Gregoire won a hand recount and was certified as winner of the 2004 Washington gubernatorial election by 129 votes out of more than 2.8 million cast. (298) The ensuing litigation to determine the actual result of the election uncovered clear evidence of vote fraud and irregularities that cast serious doubt upon the validity of a number of votes far exceeding Gregoire’s margin of victory. Illegal votes and election irregularities may have determined the winner of the 2004 gubernatorial race in the state of Washington.
In the months leading up to the election contest trial brought by Rossi, election management problems in Washington continued to come to light. In March, 95 uncounted absentee ballots were found in King County’s election warehouse. (299) Pierce County officials found another 64 such uncounted absentees. (300) King County Elections Director Dean Logan said under oath that he couldn’t be sure if the election results were accurate within 129 votes – Gregoire’s margin of victory:
“‘The question is, do you know whether the returns in King County were accurate within 129 votes?’ GOP attorney Rob Maguire asked Logan on page 225 of the 476-page deposition transcript, released Monday night by Rossi’s office. ‘No, I do not,’ Logan replied.” (301)
The debate in Washington after the November election and recounts was not about whether illegal votes were cast on Election Day. Both sides agreed that they were, as Democrats and Republicans submitted competing lists of hundreds of illegal felon voters. (302) The debate instead centered on whether an equitable method of determining if such illegal votes adversely affected one candidate over the other existed, and if so, whether a new election was in order.
In his June 6 decision to uphold Gregoire’s election as governor, Chelan County Superior Court Judge John Bridges recognized that more than 1,000 illegal and fraudulent votes were cast in an election decided by a mere 133 votes (the judge deducted four felon votes from Rossi’s total). Judge Bridges found the following illegal and fraudulent votes in the 2004 Washington gubernatorial race:
A total of 1,678 illegal votes cast in the 2004 general election.
1,401 votes cast by felons whose voting rights had not been restored.
19 votes cast by deceased voters.
6 votes cast by people voting more than once.
252 votes cast in King and Pierce counties for which “there could not be found a registered voter through crediting.” (303)
While Judge Bridges’ decision recognized the presence of large-scale illegal and fraudulent voting in the November election, he rejected the method by which Rossi’s expert witnesses proposed to account for the illegal votes. Judge Bridges further ruled that the “judiciary should exercise restraint in interfering with the elective process,” and that “unless an election is clearly invalid, when the people have spoken their verdict should not be disturbed by the courts.” Thus Bridges upheld the election not because there was no significant illegal and fraudulent voting, but because he did not believe it was the judiciary’s role to overturn the election, given the evidence before him. (304)
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Arminius
said on 8/13/2005 @ 12:55 pm PT...
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Arminius
said on 8/13/2005 @ 12:56 pm PT...
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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BOB
said on 8/17/2005 @ 3:56 pm PT...
Dont we talk about Turkygate,CONYERS IS SILENT WHY,STILL EATING THAT STOLEN TURKEY?COME ON CONYERS SPIT IT OUT SAY SOMETHING,OR IS THE SLIENCE JUST THE TIME YOU NEED TO MAKE UP A COVER STORY?
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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john
said on 8/17/2005 @ 4:05 pm PT...
Boyd, who was fired from Conyers' Detroit office in 2002, was convicted on seven counts of fraud last month in U.S. District Court in connection with a scam he ran from Conyers' office in 1999.
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