We have, of course, Special Coverage on today’s BradCast of Tuesday night’s one and only Vice Presidential Debate, likely the last direct face-off between the two tickets before Election Day. [Audio link to full show follows below.]
It was somewhat disorienting to watch a Presidential ticket debate that didn’t include name-calling, one-liner zingers and direct personal attacks. But with “Minnesota Nice” Democratic Governor Tim Walz taking on Ohio’s Republican U.S. Senator J.D. Vance, who has an historically low favorability rating and a desperate need to improve his likeability among the electorate, perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised that the debate ended up coming across more like an olde tyme, pre-Trump Era (even pre-Rove Era) 1990s Presidential debate.
But Vance’s politeness was there only to try and mask his well-documented, far-right, autocratic MAGA policy preferences on everything from abortion to gun safety to climate change to health care to his running-mate Donald Trump‘s violent attacks on our democracy, leading to evasive answers to questions from both the CBS News moderators and Walz himself on whether he believed, for instance, that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. “Tim, I’m focused on the future,” Vance said, refusing to respond. “That is a damning non-answer,” Walz replied, adding: “He lost the election. This is not a debate. It’s not anything, anywhere other than in Donald Trump’s world.” It wouldn’t be the only direct question that Vance deflected.
While a nervous Walz stumbled through some of the early moments of the debate, he regained his footing thereafter and displayed a command of facts, data and reality on a host of topics raised by the moderators. The Yale Law School trained Vance also proved to be a competent debater, deftly smoothing over his extremist, hard-right record and former persona as a Trump-opponent, while doing his best to focus his fire on Kamala Harris whenever possible…facts be damned.
We’re joined today, as we frequently are on such occasions, by longtime friends and old school bloggers, HEATHER DIGBY PARTON of Salon and Hullabaloo, and ‘DRIFTGLASS’ of his eponymous blog and The Professional Left Podcast for some help in making sense of whatever played out in the New York City studios of CBS last night. (Reportedly it was in the same studio that Captain Kangaroo was taped. Make of that what you may.)
Both Parton and Driftglass agree that the two Vice Presidential candidates “accomplished what they set out to do” and, as Parton added, “as far as the niceness thing”, that should be chalked up to the fact that “Donald Trump wasn’t there being a jackass.”
“Vance needed to soften all of the ridiculous extremist policies of himself and Donald Trump, and present himself as something other than a full-blown King Cobra, which I think he managed to do,” she says, referencing her coverage of the debate at Salon today, in which she described Vance as possessing “all the charm and warmth of a King Cobra.” On Tuesday night, she explains today, “he sounded semi-sane. I’m sure most people who haven’t been following him probably thought, ‘Oh, well, he’s not that bad.'”
Both also agree that they would have have preferred to see a more aggressive Walz, even if that might not have been what the MN Guv needed to do to reach whichever undecided voters still exist out there. Instant polling of debate watchers released shortly afterward, gave Vance the slimmest of edges over Walz and a big bump in favorability for both candidates, even as Walz’ favorability remains far higher than Vance’s.
“Clearly they are executing a strategy,” explains Driftglass. “I wanted to see [Walz] come out there with a sword in both hands and just scream, ‘Liar!’ for 90 minutes,” when what he needs, “tactically, is to go out there and be the nicest guy you ever met. I think for the people he is striving to reach, it worked.”
On the other hand, he continues, Vance’s job was to “polish up the turd” that Trump put on the ticket “to make him look like a human being so that he can go out there and be the nice guy.” The result, says Driftglass, “was a festival of whatabout-ism and lying.”
We discuss much of the sane-washing, whatabout-ism, lies and damning non-answers to a host of topics raised during the 90-minute debate on Tuesday — and Walz’ responses to them — in our very lively Special Coverage today…
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