A bi-partisan commission with an emphasis on the Partisan. Is this to be a commission which will not take notes and give reports only to the high up who will have it Classified and never seen?

Let's give Baker a "Bue Ribbon', announce him "Best of Show" and give him a grand send off to a very secure kennel.

Call it what it is.

Will he be able to take time away from his busy schedule of selling weapons to our allies and our enemies?

I encourage everyone to print this statement, make copies and leave them in public places...spread the word.

Who has formed this commission? Who would the letter be sent to? Who picked Baker?

Hi, Nana - The Repubs. always pick the foxes to guard the henhouse...it's Rove's golden rule. The violators are always put in positions of power over those who have been violated. Vote stealers in charge of vote reform. At FDOT, the thieves are still at work, while loyal employees are terminated. It's the "new way of doing business in the U.S.A."

When this came out last week, I just shook my head in disgust. The sad fact is, that the majority of people wouldn't give it a second thought. I hope Rep. Conyers and the rest are going to raise hell about this sick joke.

One day, just before they are swept from power, they will wake up and realize that they fucked with us one time too many. That the American people who work hard just to take care of our families are through with having these criminals talk to us and treat us like ignorant morons. Keep it up.......... a day of reckoning does surely await you.

Here's how decisions are made in the Bush Administration:

XYZ is who should be put in charge of project 123.

ABC is who absolutely should NOT be put in charge of project 123.

Decision: ABC will be put in charge project 123.

It's as easy as...ABC...123

Forget James Baker. I'm waiting for the republican all-star voting rights team. It would, of course, be spearheaded by Kenneth Blackwell with Katherine Harris to assist. Other members would include Republican Senator Chuck Hagel (former ES&S CEO who won the Nebraska Senate seat with his own voting machines), Tom Feeney (enough said), Tom DeLay (what can't be said?), and last but not least, Ann Coulter as the mouthpiece for the organization.

When that team gets assembled, I'll sleep easy knowing that our voting rights are protected.

I nominate Karl Rove.

Manananananananananananananananananananananananananananananana -

Do you have an offline existence?

Everything going on with the commission will be leaked directly back to Karl Rove - who will leak it to the public so that everything that has been documented will become mote. Just look at the way that phony Talon news group is already suggesting that the Dems did everything to try to steal the election for Bush. We better not let this happen without a fight. Enough is enough!!!

Here's a good resource of JAMES A. BAKER III
past and present connections.

Right. By partisan, for partisan!

They realy *DON'T* get it! Good!! It will be their downfall! That and their unfounded arrogance. I just hope they NEVER get a clue, then they would be dangerous. Right now, they mearly look very stupid.

Congressman Conyers has a clue! A very BIG clue. All he needs now, is a big stick. I believe the arrogant GOP monkeys will give him the stick he needs!

Onwards...

"Who has formed this commission? Who would the letter be sent to? Who picked Baker?

I don't know, Nana. And it seems very difficult to figure out. But I'm trying to...

Please note that a press release from the ACVR was the first time I'd heard of the group. They posted their release just hours after the commission announced it's presence. It's almost as if they had advanced word or something...go figure!

G'day Brad
You may have read this Bob Ney press release announcing their intention to conduct an "official, serious, and bipartisan" hearing (unlike the shoddy partisan Conyers job, where all VR groups and the public were invited to testify)
I reckon Ney is challenging Blackwell in the blind arrogance and hypocracy stakes!
Cop this:
“Election reform is a serious issue that requires serious, bipartisan examination and debate --- it does not deserve what we are seeing today --- partisan attacks and unsubstantiated claims disguised as fact in a faux hearing."
This guy and his phoney hearing needs to be exposed, and you're our man!

Go get him Brad!

*******HEADS UP! ************
READ ALL ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!
BAKER/CARTER ELECTION REFORM COMMISSION DETAILS.
Main website.
Start digging folks!

Oh this is SO MUCH BUNK! The inventor of the "we counted 'em once and bush won, we counted 'em twice and ..." school of presidential politics. Grrrrr!!!
Oh man, that guy is BROKEN. They can't be serious about putting him on our election commission. ARGGGGGG!!!! (american woman tearing out her hair...) What a joke!

Now, shall I tell you how I really feel?

This is what I want to see, but we aren't getting there with the bunch that Bushw@cker links to above. It's just another exercise in futility.

You're not wrong, AMERICAN WOMAN
I have my BARF BAG beside me just in case!
Their arrogance will bring them down!

Re: SUPERSOLING #19
...links not doing it for you?
They're working for me!

If my links aint workin, here's the text!

Former President Jimmy Carter, Former Secretary of State James Baker To Convene New Commission on Federal Election Reform--First Meeting at American University, April 18

Washington, D.C.--(March 24, 2005)--Former President Jimmy Carter and former Secretary of State James A. Baker, III, announced today that they will co-chair a Commission on Federal Election Reform to examine the state of America’s federal elections and recommend improvements.

Carter and Baker have assembled a private, bi-partisan commission whose membership includes former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, former House Minority Leader Bob Michel, former U.S. Representatives Lee Hamilton and Susan Molinari, university presidents, scholars and community leaders. A list of the members is attached.

After the 2000 presidential vote, former presidents Carter and Gerald Ford convened a National Commission on Election Reform, and their report contributed to the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) of 2002. Despite this reform, there were many problems during the election of 2002 involving both issues of inclusion and integrity.

The new Commission on Federal Election Reform will look at those and other voting problems, examine the implementation of HAVA, and propose recommendations to improve the electoral process.

“I am concerned about the state of our electoral system and believe we need to improve it,” President Carter said. “I have monitored elections all over the world, and there is much we could learn from other democracies and from our own citizens. We will try to define an electoral system for the 21st century that will make Americans proud again.”

“America’s democracy is the backbone of our society, and only through fair elections can we guarantee that our system remains healthy,” former Secretary Baker said. “To help reach that goal, I welcome the opportunity of working with President Jimmy Carter on a bi-partisan commission that will recommend ways to improve our federal voting process. A prior commission, which President Carter co-chaired with President Gerald Ford, made recommendations that resulted in significant changes for the 2004 election. But more can be done to guarantee the integrity and accuracy of our elections.”
The Center for Democracy and Election Management (CDEM) at American University will organize the work of the Commission, in association with the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University, The Carter Center, and electionline.org, a national clearinghouse of election reform information sponsored by The Pew Charitable Trusts.

Dr. Robert A. Pastor, CDEM Director, is the Executive Director of the Commission. ”We will assemble a group of academic advisors that will prepare background analyses for the Commission,” said Dr. Pastor, “and we will reach out to seek the views of representatives from a wide-ranging group of non-governmental organizations involved in election-related issues.” Doug Chapin, Director of electionline.org, will serve as Research Director for the Commission.

The Commission plans to hold two public hearings --- the first on April 18 at American University in Washington, D.C., and the second at the James A. Baker Institute for Public Policy at Rice University in Houston at a date in June --- with the goal of releasing a report in September when Congress returns from its Labor Day 2005 recess.

Carter-Baker Commission on Federal Election Reform

Members Biographies

Co-Chairs:

President Jimmy Carter
President Carter was the 39th President of the United States from 1977 to 1981 and 83rd Governor of Georgia from 1971 to 1975. In 1982 he founded the Carter Center as a forum for mediating conflicts and promoting democracy, health care, and human rights. He co-chaired with former President Gerald Ford the National Commission on Election Reform.

The Honorable James A. Baker, III
James A. Baker, III has served in senior government positions under three United States Presidents. He served as Secretary of State, Secretary of Treasury, and White House Chief of Staff. Mr. Baker is presently a senior partner in the law firm of Bake Botts and Honorary Chairman of the James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy at Rice University.

Executive Director:
Robert Pastor
Dr. Robert Pastor is the Director of the Center for Democracy and Election Management and Vice President of International Affairs at American University. Before coming to AU in 2002, Pastor was Professor at Emory University and Founding Director of The Carter Center’s Latin American and Democracy Programs, where he organized the monitoring of elections all over the world. He was Senior Advisor to the National Commission on Election Reform.

Other Members:
Ms. Betty Castor
Betty Castor was the 2004 Democratic Party nominee for the US Senate from Florida. Castor served as Florida Commissioner of Education from 1986-93. She served three terms as a state senator from the west coast of Florida, becoming the first female to hold the position of President Pro Tempore (1985-86).

Hon. Tom Daschle
Tom Daschle was elected and served as a U.S. Congressman (1978-86) and U.S. Senator from South Dakota (1986-2004). From 1994-2004, he was the Senate Minority Leader. In 2005, Senator Daschle joined the Legislative and Public Policy Group of the law firm Alston & Bird, LLP.

Ms. Rita DiMartino
Rita Dimartino was the Vice President of Congressional Relations for AT&T where she assisted in AT&T's relations with the administration, Congress, and state governments. DiMartino was appointed in February 2002 as the Principal U.S. Delegate to the Inter-American Commission of Women.

Hon. Lee Hamilton
Lee Hamilton is president and director of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Prior to becoming director of the Woodrow Wilson Center in 1999, Hamilton served for 34 years in Congress representing Indiana's Ninth District. During his tenure, he served as Chairman and Ranking Member of the House Committee on Foreign Affairs. He was Vice Chairman of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and Co-chair with Senator Howard Baker of the Commission to Investigate Certain Security Issues at Los Alamos.

Ms. Kay Coles James
Kay Coles James was the Director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management from 2001 to 2005. James served as a Senior Fellow and Director of The Citizenship Project at the Heritage Foundation. Under President George H. W. Bush, James was an Assistant Secretary for Health and Human Services.

Dr. Benjamin Ladner
Benjamin Ladner is the President of American University in Washington, D.C. As President since 1994, Dr. Ladner has led the transformation of AU into a distinctive, global university with a reputation as "a private university with a public responsibility." Dr. Ladner serves as Chair of the Board of Trustees of the Consortium of fourteen Universities in the Washington Metropolitan area. Before coming to AU, he was President of the National Faculty, an association of university professors founded by Phi Beta Kappa.

Dr. David Leebron
David Leebron was appointed president of Rice University in Houston, Texas in 2004. Leebron joined Rice from Columbia University School of Law, where he was Dean since 1996 and a faculty member since 1989. Prior to that, he was a professor of law at New York University and director of NYU’s International Legal Studies Program.

Dr. Nelson Lund
Nelson Lund is the Patrick Henry Professor of Constitution Law and the Second Amendment at George Mason University in Virginia. Professor Lund served in the White House as associate counsel to the president from 1989 to 1992. He served as a law clerk to Justice Patrick Higginbotham of the Court of Appeals and Justice Sandra Day O’Connor.

Dr. Shirley Malcom
Shirley Malcom is Head of the Directorate for Education and Human Resources Programs of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS). Dr. Malcom served n the National Science Board, the governing board of the National Science Foundation from 1994-2001, and has served on the Boards of the Carnegie Corporation, the H. John Heinz III Center for Science, and CalTech.

Hon. Bob Michel
Bob Michel was a member of the U.S. House of Representatives from Illinois from 1957 to 1993. He served as Minority Whip for the ninety-fourth through ninety-sixth Congresses and Minority Leader for the ninety seventh through one hundred third Congresses. He was Vice Chair of the Carter-Ford National Commission on Election Reform.

Hon. Susan Molinari
Susan Molinari is the President and CEO of the Washington Group, a government relations and lobbying firm. She was a member of Congress from New York from 1990 to 1997. In 1994, she was elected to the Republican Majority Leadership. She was twice elected to the New York City Council and was Minority Leader on the Council.

Hon. Robert Mosbacher
Robert Mosbacher is chairman of Mosbacher Energy Company. He is the past chairman of the Republican National Committee and served as National Finance Chairman for the election campaigns of Presidents Ford and George H. W. Bush. He served as Secretary of Commerce under President Bush from 1989 to 1992.

Hon. Ralph Munro
Ralph Munro was the Secretary of State for Washington State from 1980 to 2001. Under Mr. Munro’s leadership, Washington State saw significant advancement in the efficiency of state election services including absentee voting, voter registration, election reporting and voter information.

Mr. Spencer Overton
Spencer Overton is Associate Professor of Law at The George Washington University Law School where his scholarly interests include voting rights, race, and campaign finance. Overton was Charles Hamilton Houston Fellow at Harvard Law School and serves as a director of the National Voting rights Institute and the Fannie Lou Hamer Project. He practiced law with Debevoise and Plimpton and is on the Board of Common Cause.

Ms. Sharon Priest
Sharon Priest formerly chaired the Arkansas State Election Improvement Study Commission and the State Board of election Commissioners, and currently chairs the Capitol Arts and Grounds Commission. She was the first woman elected Arkansas Secretary of State in 1994 and was President of the National Association of Secretaries of State. She has been elected to public office six times from 1986 to the present, including Little Rock Board of Directors (1986-90), Vice-Mayor of Little Rock (1989-90), and Mayor of Little Rock (1991-92).

Mr. Raul Yzaguirre
Raul Yzaguirre is presidential professor of practice in community development and civil rights at Arizona State University. From 1974 to 2004, Yzaguirre was president of the National Council of La Raza, the nation’s leading Hispanic advocacy organization and the largest constituency-based national Latino organization.

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Contact: Todd Sedmak Date: 24/03/2005
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Re my own #19

The picture here is what I wanted to link to.

#22 Thanks Bushw@cker for info.

Baker is a control freak, and was not put forward for this commission by the Bush administration in any kind of bi-partisan spirit. His role is to protect the Bushes against exposure of past fraud, not to aid the cause of election reform going forward. To have him and Carter working side by side would be a joke...one conscientious public servant and a protective sugar daddy with a private agenda.

Congratulations, Brad, for standing up against the Baker appointment.

To have him and Carter working side by side would be a joke...

Oh I dunno. Seems to me that Mr. Baker can easily brush aside the goofy peanut farmer before he does too much damage. Just give old Jimmah a claw hammer and tell him to go build a habitat.

By the time he gets done building his lean-to, the real work will be done. I still think Karl Rove would work too.

How much do you guys get paid over at ACVR?

Your people are all over the place today making an ass outa yourselfs!

LMAO

Uh-oh! We've got another moron here. Wonder if it's the "Atty.". Probably is.

Baker being a part of this commission automatically renders it useless, in the long run. Any such commission, by definition, should be going AFTER Baker, not have him a part of it. Sort of like assigning Charles Manson to The Prison Board.

Sort of like assigning Charles Manson to The Prison Board.

Or Bill Clinton to run the unwed mother's home?

A Bananananana RepubliCON!!

So, James Baker, who orchestrated NOT COUNTING THE VOTES in Florida in 2000, is on a voter's rights panel????????????????

Nana can't be Jimmo, this prick can spell.

Not to say that his "Clinton told a lie about a blow job and a podgy intern, so it's alright for Bush to lie about Iraq, Iran, social security, the economy, elections, a culture of life and everything else." line of reasoning has all the appeal of a turd in a punch bowl, but at least he can spell.

Keep the faith and damn the trolls.

BTW Nanananutjob, Clinton was well respected in the rest of the world and viewed as a DIPLOMAT and a STATESMAN with a well considered foreign policy - if you think that Bush is any of those things, maybe YOUR tin foil hat needs loosening.

Da Wookie

Thanks, and I agree. But doncha love to hear em spew that "conservitive christian love"?

Yeah, especially when the line "Thou shalt not kill" get pulled it in regard to this "fine, christian President."

I mean the 1,500 US dead, 100,000 Iraqi dead and the small matter of the 158 executions that he PERSONALLY authorised when Governor of Texas really back that one up, don't they?

Yes, it all makes perfect sense now... :plain:

Don't even get me started on "Thou shalt not bear false witness".

Just as well that there wasn't a "Thou shalt not snort cocaine", "Thou shalt not drive drunk" or a "Thou shalt not dodge the SEC." in there, isn't it?

Maybe we can keep a running tally of the ten commandements that are obviously so central to his life - you know, a sort of hypocrites bingo. First one to complete the set and shout "Whitehouse!" wins a small statue of Bush with Rove's hand up his arse sort of thing.

Just an idea.

"Thou shall not steal elections"

Clinton was well respected in the rest of the world ...

By whom? Yasser Arafat? Chirac? Please...

Maybe the Kinks were singing about him when they said:

'Cause he's oh, so good
And he's oh, so fine
And he's oh, so healthy
In his body and his mind
He's a well respected man about town
Doing the best things so conservatively

And he likes his own backyard
And he likes his fags the best
'Cause he's better than the rest
And his own sweat smells the best
And he hopes to grab his father's loot
When Pater passes on

I don't much care if a bunch of oil ticks and Euro-weenies "respect" us - that's all phony. What I DO want is for them to fear us. That is real. And that is the ONLY thing that will get them to do what we want. The best words that President Bush can say right now are, "Who's next?" and let them imagine the answer.

Is that the eleventh?

No, sorry that one is Karl's favorite - "Thou shalt not get caught." Poor old Tom "decent christian" Delay has got the wrong end of this one a few times now, still I'm sure that he's very, very, very sorry and it really, most definitely this time, won't happen again...

Yours must be the twelfth

Mananananiacal,

Stick around. See what investigative reporting is all about.

You might learn something

OR

You'll just incite us into being MORE active for vote reform.

Either way, we win.

You spell well and are knowledgeable on GOP spin tactics. Are you a mid-level henchman assigned by the RNLA to do some homework on Brad?

Hi, M #36 - You know, people who try to intimidate and scare me, shock me at first, because I don't go around looking for trouble. But once I'm over the shock, I get angry. The anger keeps building along with an incredible determination to REMOVE PERMANENTLY the destructive behaviour by that individual/entity that is interfering with my right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So, forget it, M. It will NEVER WORK! People who go looking for trouble will inevitably run into trouble which is bigger than they can handle! Besides, after 4+ years of Bush, America is now in big trouble financially and militarily. So, it's now time for American people of higher intelligence and integrity to start running the country, before it is too late.

The Bush administration has destroyed the military so it would be a good idea not to act too puffed up and bully-juiced at this point.

I love debate, but some of the new people here have lowered the level to below the belt emotional punches that serve no purpose other than their self- gratification.. This is not the exchange of ideas I am used to on this site.

Peggy and Teresa

These guys are not your average crazies. They are making concerted efforts other places as well. Don't let them rile ya, thats what they want.

Nana's right. Follow the Native American way of teaching their children good etiquette. When the kids act out, they become invisible to the adults.

...to do some homework on Brad?

Brad? Who is Brad? Should I know him/her?

Follow the Native American way...

You mean like Ward Churchill? He's got dibs on "little Eichmanns", you'll have to come up with another "good etiquette" approach or name to call.

Mana

Isn't it about quitting time? Or are you and the boys working overtime?

Wonder how much pro trolls make per hr.??

What a nutcase!

Ow, ow, ow! You donks are really starting to hurt my feelings with your rapier wits and sharp tongues. Please, have mercy on me. I don't know how much more I can take. All you want to do is attack me personally. Why is that? Do you all have that much hate inside of you that you reserve for anyone who doesn't toe the donk line? What ever happened to the "diversity thing?" How about that little meme y'all are always spouting about everyone having a right to have a voice? Do I detect the slightly pungent odor of hypocrisy?

Oh my Mana,

Your just a real bad ass...with women. Notice you GOP operatives don't pick on the men. Why didn't you respond to my question about torture? Hit a nerve?

Notice you GOP operatives don't pick on the men.

Does this mean that you are not a woman? I couldn't tell from "Nana." Also, you'll have to 'splain what you mean by a "GOP operative." If you mean I am a Republican, then I plead guilty. Otherwise, I'd have to know what you mean to be able to answer the "operative" part. But, in any case, I am an equal opportunity picker - I'll pick on stupidity whenever and wherever I see it.

Why didn't you respond to my question about torture? Hit a nerve?

I searched this thread and couldn't find a question on torture. Perhaps you could re-phrase it. But before you do, you should know that I have no problem with it. If it gets information that saves American lives, I say "make 'em scream." I don't have much sympathy for splodeydopes. So if your question was about my feelings on torture, I hope that clears it up for you. If it doesn't, please re-submit your question and I will try to answer it to the best of my ability.

And BTW, what is it with the "bad ass" remark? We are typing comments into a blog - what are you gonna do? Use all caps? Boldface?

You don't know what a nana is? You poor thing, don't you have grandparents? A Nana? Explains alot. It's not my name, it's what I am.

As to the rest, no, I'm tired and don't want to play anymore. I don't like bullies, and I don't like you.

Manana, you really are a racist bag of shit. Take Ward Churchill's statement for what it's worth. But those statements were his and his alone. I don't particularly agree with it. And I didn't see a crowd of Native Americans making the "little Eichmann's" speech collectively. One statement by a man thinking indepedently on his own, and all of the sudden the Native American way goes down the drain. And I suppose David Duke speaks for all the white people? Huh? At least I'm sure he speaks for you.

Anyways, your comments won't be censored here the way mine were censored on the right wing blogs. You wouldn't be here making comments if the left wing blogs weren't making waves.

One statement by a man thinking indepedently on his own...

Come on. Churchill never had a lucid thought in his life. Everything is is, has, and claims are stolen, lies, and plagiarized rip-offs. I saw most of what that phony non-Indian spouts tacked to phone polls in San Francisco 30 years ago.

I like David Duke about as much as I like Churchill. They're both phonies. But the left is running around trying to protect Churchill. That makes him "special." Even you cannot denounce him, really. Your "don't particularly agree" is about as weak a denial as I have heard from a lefty on any subject.

One last question for you. Is the race card all you libs have left to play? It really does seem to be your favorite. But like the little boy who cried wolf, ya'll have used it so many times that nobody pays any attention to it anymore. If it is all you have left, you should fold now before you lose your whole stake. Even minorities are tiring of it.

So now Ward Churchill is a non-Indian. Let me know specifically which organization is trying to "protect" Ward Churchill and I might take your point as valid.

And remember, YOU brought up Ward Churchill. And YOU associated him with the Native American way. Now your to chicken to take responsibility for it?

You were right Bob (#28) - we've got another moron here, a "bait-er".

So now Ward Churchill is a non-Indian.

Churchill claims he's an Indian. The Indians say he isn't. How are we to tell? He sure got everything he now has acquired by claiming to be one.

Let me know specifically which organization is trying to "protect" Ward Churchill and I might take your point as valid.

Here are a few:
AIM
IndyMedia
CCJP
General Collection of Nuts
WBAI Peace and Justice Radio
Progressive Democrats of America

That's just a few.

And remember, YOU brought up Ward Churchill.

That I did.

And YOU associated him with the Native American way.

He DOES claim to be an Indian. Or is it Native American these days. Can't keep my PC talk up to date.

Now your to chicken to take responsibility for it?

Just did take responsibility for it. See how easy it is?

It's amazing how an interesting blog with fascinating people can get boring overnight.

Hi, Teresa. Don't get too bored. Stick around, because pink elephants gotta dance...but they don't get very far.

Those organizations didn't defend his statements. They defended his right to state his opinions and invoke thought. As I would defend anybody's right to state their opinions provided the statement wasn't malicious.

People need to be responsible and know what their government is doing around the world. When your government goes around the world supporting and endorsing policies and regimes that negatively affect other people. They do it with the American Flag flying high, and our reputation suffers because of it.

Examples:
Supporting Manuel Noriega, then removing him because you couldn't "control" him. Same with Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and so on.

It is our responsibility to know what decisions our leaders make behind closed doors. Where I disagree with Churchill is the fact that Eichmann was proactive in his evil. As of now, I'm not aware of anyone in the twin towers who fit that description. With that said, it is our responsibility to know what decisions our leaders make as we are the ones who pay the price for their decisions, good or bad.

And I'm glad to see you taking responsibilty for being a racist bag of shit.

#43 manananana wrote...
Follow the Native American way...

You mean like Ward Churchill? He's got dibs on "little Eichmanns", you'll have to come up with another "good etiquette" approach or name to call.
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My original post: Follow the Native American way of teaching their children good etiquette. When the kids act out, they become invisible to the adults.

I must speak my mind to this depraved tiny-brained degenerate.

I've heard Ward Churchill speak and I've heard you speak through your written words. Your heart is black as coal and as shriveled as a prune. I would a thousand times over choose Churchill’s company before yours. Your comment was moronic and ignoble.

Your seeming paucity of morals, ethics and compassion is astounding. It makes you and your ilk look exceedingly foolish while you belabor the subject of former President Clinton’s indiscretion. Why does the Republican (so called) “moral majority” insert Clinton’s family jewels into every political debate? Just can’t get enough of that good stuff? They even stroke the subject in church! They can’t leave it alone! The gift that keeps on giving! What a hoot! But I digress...

This Republican Party as defined today, along with the ill-named “Christian” Coalition, is disingenuous, tawdry, bigoted and devoid of integrity. There are some good people in the Republican Party who are aware of the malignant transmutation and some have spoken out in disgust. But, the Grand Old Republican Party is dead.

And finally, FYI, I will continue to fight against racism and disenfranchisement in this country.

I would a thousand times over choose Churchill’s company...

Aha! Another reveal. At least you're willing to admit you like to hang around with America-haters. Must make you proud.

I do smile at your feeble attempts to characterize lying under oath and obstruction of justice as "indiscretions." That's like saying Hitler was "rude" to the Jews.

Oh, and since the GOP is in charge of everything now, I hardly think it is dead. But I think we should pull the feeding tube on the Donks. Their chances for recovery as nil and their "quality of life" can't be all that good. Thoughts?

I never expected you to make any intelligent comments. Your so stupid in your remarks about obstruction of justice - I'm looking for the day the little chimp man you voted for gets his due. And (of course you missed it) your Grand Old Republican Party is quite dead - haven't you heard? For you to call someone else an America-hater is like the pot calling the kettle black.

I never expected you ...

Let's see. Intelligent comments. "Chimp Man?" Very intelligent. "Gets his due?" care to explain what that means? If not to me, maybe the US Secret Service?

Your so stupid in your remarks about obstruction of justice...

That wasn't me, it was Article III of the Articles of Impeachment passed by the House.

Ward Churchill hates America. He has said it repeatedly himself. Here's one of his many quotes:

I want the state gone: transform the situation to U.S. out of North America. U.S. off the planet. Out of existence altogether.

I would call that an America Hater. What would you call it?

Hi Peg C!!!!! That is adorable. Thanks for the tickle. In fact, it makes me wanna get up and dance.
Oooooweeee! I feel something good coming.

Churchill doesn't necessarily hate America. What the country TRULY claims to stand for, he likely loves it more than you do. It's people like you he can't stand. You don't represent America. You support a group that is edging the country toward Corporatism, and the rest of it (social, political, religious, moral, etc.) is simply a smokescreen to garner support from the personal-agenda-focused masses. These aren't conservatives. They're fascists. This is about big money keeping it, at your expense, even though they got rich on your back. And you're here, arguing for it. A chimp would know better.

When someone seeks to provoke rather than argue, I believe the best response is no response.

Don't silence him. Don't call him names. Don't argue with him.

When a tree falls in the forest, it does make the same sound whether anyone is there to hear it or not. But if no one has heard it, the noise has no impact. Better yet, the next time we walk by that spot, all we'll see is a tree stump.

Churchill doesn't necessarily hate America.

Your credibility just went to zero. You can defend his right to stand up and say the hateful things he says, but that does not change the fact that they are hateful. Your pretzel-logic, coupled with your long-winded espousal of Marxist thought and personal insults may be what passes in your circles as "dialog", but where I come from it is just called bad manners.

When someone seeks to provoke rather than argue...

Why don't you just stick your head in the sand like the ostrich? You can run away and hide if you want, but if you ever want to get your party back in power, I don't advise it.

You're hardly a suitable judge of credibility....or anything else, from reading your blather.

By the way, I hate Marxism as much as I do Fascism (read: the Bush administration). If one is not part of this neocon crap, call 'em a commie, that'll pigeonhole 'em. This bushbunch is stealing our country right out from under us, and there are actually people who defend it. What a dummy.

Re comment #65
What kind of remark are you making? There was nothing in #64 of a threatening nature unless you read something else into it.

I did stoop to your level and for that I'm sorry. I wrote some things while emotionally charged that could have been said differently and with more impact.

That's all for now.

#70, 71:

Do you have anger issues? Lotta hate there and that usually means anger issues and low self-image. Why did you choose to name yourself after the kook writer of vampire stories? That sounds twisted, too.

BTW: I've read all of Ms. Rice's books. I used to be a fan, until I saw an interview of her and realized what a nut case she is.

I think that the cold-blooded "anger issues" are otherwhere. Anger and violence are inextricably intertwined; and it seems to me that violence is securely lodged in a political splinter group having absolutely nothing in common with mainstream, decent, Americans.

Try again to screw your "head" onto the "body" of your absolutist faith. The threads aren't meshing. The cap is stuck and can be neither removed nor tightened down. There's something deperately askew; and you know it.

"The corporate grip on opinion in the United States is one of the wonders of the Western world. No First World country has ever managed to eliminate so entirely from its media all objectivity - much less dissent".

"The genius of our ruling class is that it has kept a majority of the people from ever questioning the inequity of a system where most people drudge along, paying heavy taxes for which they get nothing in return".

“[In the U.S. mass-media], words are used to disguise, not to illuminate, action: You "liberate" a city by "destroying" it. Words are used to confuse, so that AT ELECTION TIME PEOPLE WILL SOLEMNLY VOTE AGAINST THEIT OWN INTERESTS".

These quotes were by Gore Vidal. I was reminded of them while reading the comments by the troll here.

I also thought of another quote (don't know who it was) - to paraphrase: "If you support this administration, you're either a multi-millionaire, or a fool".

I doubt any multi-millionaires will be checking in here.

To reiterate the point of this thread: Baker is yet another roadblock to election reform. As long as The Republicans are in power, there will be no reforms, just a lot of smoke. This congress, and president, are hardly going to support legislation that will surely take away their hold on the executive and legislative branches of this country.

One can only hope that the tide will shift back, to undo all the harm this administration is bent on doing to the middle/lower classes. And they are dead serious about it. All other issues are simply a smokescreen to draw attention away from this fact.

The neo-cons will just continue with their age old game plan:

1. Run up huge debts which make their corporate paymasters even wealthier

2. Once they'e been bounced out of office, taxes HAVE to go up to repair the damage.

3. Shout out loud "Look, Look - the Liberals are raising taxes again!". Repeat the shouting until the next election.

4. Wait for the sheeple to vote them in again.

Boring and oh, so predictable. Unfortunately, experience has proven this approach to be very effective.

The only differences this time:

1. They didn't actually get voted in first.

2. They made sure that the paymasters owned the media to ensure that the shouting will be more effective.

Well its better than the Democrat plan:

1. Whine, cry, and self-pity sessions ad nauseum. come up with Area-51 type rationales for how the election was "stolen" and how voters were "disenfranchised." Blame the evil "neocons."

2. Come up with a fruitcake list of "candidates" - at least 8 or 9. Nominate the biggest loser of the bunch.

3. Flip-flop every issue, equivocate, and add plenty "nuance." Wind surf. Shoot a few ducks. "Report for dootie."

4. Lose another election. Lose more seats in Congress. Become even less of a force in government.

5. Wait two years, then go to 1.

If non-presidential campaign year, skip #2 Substitute with: All Dem candidates disavow any acquaintance with previous loser Dems.

It worked in 2000, 2002, 2004, and looks like where the Dems are headed again in 2006.

Meanwhile, Karl Rove is sitting in some office in the White House, with a smile on his face, saying to his aides, "This can't get any easier." And then "Sheets" Bryd speaks out. Obama endorses the former KKK member. Fat Teddy goes on a rant. Boxer puts on another show in the Senate that goes over like fingernails on a chalkboard. Rove's aides say, "see, it CAN get easier."

Geesh, what a moron!

Geesh, what a moron!

So, vampire person, does this means you think I got it wrong somehow? Where? Which one (or more) of the steps haven't been happening?

I would assume from the article against Baker and comments that the majority of people on this board does not support bi-partisanship.

Is that true.... and why not?

GeneK #80

You know full well we support "bi-partisan".. what we do NOT support is the "mastermind behind rigging the elections" be put on a comitee that will likely try to investigate that claim in an effort to -fix- the system.

It's not a "partisan" issue (well, it is.. Democrats would like to see voting fixed, Republicans want to thwart that progress so they can just stop with the inconvient process of elections all together).

Anyone else notice that Manananana started being quite the veracious duchebag once GeneK started posting? I had seen a few posts by this intellectual speck, but he's going nuts now that he doesn't feel alone.

And Manananana.. No one is "playing the race card", you openly admitted you are a racist shitbag (slopydope? oil tick? can you -be- any more racist?). You have the right to be racist, just no right to force that belief on anyone else (or acaust anyone else because of your beliefs).. yet, you keep insisting your "head up your ass", "hateful", and "ignorant" position is a good one. See, here in America, as foul and affrontive to the sense as you are, you are allowed to have your opinion.. The fact that you think the rest of the world "should fear us" shows me that you must be one sad sad sad (and frustrated, small, fearful, pathetic, ignorant) little man. It's common knowledge amongst those with an IQ over that of a grapefruit that when people fear you, they are likely to lash out at you. It's morons like you (and their ensuing actions when put in positions of power) that cased Sept. 11, 2001. It's stupid little pathetic spineless souless cretins like -you- that -cause- problems in the world. Trust me, the irony isn't lost on me that your type are also the ones who presue power the strongest.. to offest your own personal sense of inadequacy. Course, this country was established with rules to -prevent- that, but.. as we see with Shrubman and people like you, sometimes the rot finds it's way back on the apple.. Not to worry, you will be cut off and cast aside soon enough..

Sav #81

WOW, nice rant buddy!

Regarding Baker on the comittee - Couldn't Jimmey C and Gerrey F keep Baker in line? What proof (actual proof and not tinfoil hat, black helio theories) do you have that Baker is the "mastermind behind rigging the elections"?

I thought that rigging elections was Karls job.

Not sure about Baker.. this is the first of it I've heard of (these few threads).. but given all the other info I've seen here, and the "facts" they have uncoverd, I have little to no reason to dispute that Baker was involved. There have been several cross-links that I've not bothered to go read.. perhaps I should.

Here's the "priciple".. If he 'did' have a hand in it.. if he 'is' the BushCo cleanup guy, do -you- think he should be on the comitee? If he was in on the election-stealing, do -you- think some 80 year old ex-president can single-handedly "keep him in line"? Do -you- think, if it bears by facts that Baker is complicitous in 'stealing the elections' that he should be on a voter reform comitee?

As far as this particular issue goes, I have very little 'info' to go on.. I'm taking the word of the people here as "correct" given their track record on other info. If it's proved that they are mistaken on this point, or -any- other point I've read about here, they will lose credibility in my mind and I will start doing indepth investigation of the info presented (as well as I can, anyway). Basically.. I will believe you in good faith as long as I don't see any holes in your logic, no obfuscation of information, no misdirections, etc. Once you lie to me, or try to trick me, I will be very skeptical of what you say.. *shrug* Not sure what else you can ask of a rational intelligent human being..

Bipartisanship is not the issue. Baker is planted there to deny that everything the rest of the commission will be complaining about ever happened.

Baker doesn't belong on the panel because he's part of the problem, which is one of the main reasons he's been planted there - to attempt to keep this group from really getting to the bottom of the irregularities and disenfranchisement, and to see to it tha the crooked status quo is maintained.