Since we are blocked at every turn for the right to vote, anybody who stands up to these criminals is suddenly branded as mentally unbalanced(shades of Stalin's tactics) democrats have been squeezed out of the legislative and judicial branch of govt. The answer is sad , but the only thing a non republican can do is not pay taxes. I don't know how anybody can continue to hope everything will turn out o.k. and talk about strategy for '06. What difference does it make who runs with people like Ken Blackwell and Kathryn Harris and Ken Lay out of jail. This country is lawless and fascist now.

Hey Brad!

I made a donation but paypal is closed today for Good Friday. C'mon everyone! Brad needs help to keep up with all the great work he's doing. It would be awful if he had to stop because we couldn't send a few bucks his way every month. Doesn't take much from each of us to add up fast!

posted a link to this post at All Spin Zone, hopefully that will bring in some more dough. Keep up the good work!

Brad, my check would be in the mail --- if I had a place to send it to! You decide

Please stay persistent, Miss Persistent!

The only thing keeping me from getting that PO Box currently, is the time required to go and do it when I would otherwise be here working!!

Put an IOU aside for me, and you can send 'em all at once when I finally get that PO Box!

I refuse to touch PayPal (no consumer protections and friends who've had extremely bad experiences). Consider getting an Amazon Honor System link up also for those like me.

Maybe Mr. Dyke or Mr. Hearne would be willing to help you out with setting up the PO Box, since they are recently familiar with the process!

Done deal.

Brad -

We're giving you all we can. Poverty's a bitch.

I'm with the others on the Paypal thing, Brad. We closed our account with them when the strange e-mails began. Get a POB and you will have my check in days. Or offer another alternative of safe kind.

Whats wrong with pay pal? I thought it was secure? I havent had any problems with it , except they keep taking the money out of my sons account instead of mine. Now that he has assigned me my own email address, I have had no problems, I think.

Brad, I will donate more. You're our only hope for future, fair elections - bring the rigging out - air the dirty laundry. That is the only hope for fair, unbiased elections. I too wish you had a PO Box. I am more comfortable with that!! Keep up the good work - you're a true patriot!!!

Up here in the frozen North (not really frozen but that's what we tell everyone to keep them away) I deal with my local Credit Union. We have a system called HyperWallet. I have to take money out of my account and deposit it with HyperWallet. It never touches my account. Then, it has a PayPal connector. That is the money goes from HyperWallet to PayPal, not me. Works well. Got anything like that down there?

The fundraiser idea sounds great! Then you wouldn't have to force yourself to ask for money Brad. We'd all know it was coming. All I know is that something has to be done so you can stop worrying about money and concentrate on the important stuff!

Unbelievable! From Americablog, about six items down.

Breaking News! Local Police Force Jeb Bush To Back Down: Police Showdown Averted

These people are absolutely crazy!

OT, but important:

WANTED: A MILLION VOICES

"Peace, Not Poverty" is rounding up, it hopes, a million people to participate in a write-in on March 30, to draught a message calling for an end to warmongering and a drive towards peace and economic justice worldwide. The deadline for signing up is midnight tomorrow (Sunday).

Link here

I've been tossing an idea about. What if BradBlogFans did a quarterly or semi-annual (or whatever) fundraiser. If okay with Brad, we could "take over" the Blog for a weekend with an open thread and someone Brad trusts (?Winter Patriot) running the show. We could rap about Best of BradBlog, or something topical at the time, or whatever and make pledges (BACKED-UP BY CONTRIBUTIONS!), e-mail links to Brad Blog to friends and ask for donations, etc. Winter Patriot, or whoever, could play Jerry Lewis and let us know how much has been pledged at various times so we'll know where we're at and set goals (and have something to shoot for with the next fundraiser). We could even try to get news media attention for the BradBlog- what other blogger is so beloved (sorry for the weepy adjective!), or does such an important job that his readers would try to do that for him/her?

I'm serious about this. Anyone who wants to sign on to this idea?

Same here with PayPal... it was one of the services I wanted to keep but...

I've succeeded in relieving myself of all corporate ties and live entirely within my local area economy wherever possible. Life is really simple without a car, home heating bills, cable TV, Cell phone, Walmart, fast food and the like... None of that crap ever worked for good, or made my life any better anyway.

I've saved a bit this month, so I'll stuff a few dead presidents into an envelope for ya... and a few more in support of all my good friends here.

Steve #11-
Weepy adjectives and fundraisers are fun! What could be greater than spending a few entertainment dollars (or euros, which may be worth more) in the company of america's true Patriots? Sign me up.

Thank you Peg C. I'll sign that & pass it on.

The fundraiser idea seems like a good one. Brad deserves funding.

Go Brad!

You guys rock. Ya just do.

The truth is that the bulk of the time when I not able to blog here, it's because I'm actually out doing something with the information and stuff that I've blogged about or will be blogging about.

None the less, I hate it when I'm not able to keep up a steady stream of stuff here, so I'm constantly trying to balance reporting and investigating with taking action and getting the word about what goes on here to a broader audience.

(To that end --- as just one very very tiny part --- please see THE PAPER CHASE, by the way! Which I will be doing more with shortly!)

Your monthly fundraiser idea makes me feel like George Bailey, so thank you for the thought. My own humility (yes, even a guy whose blog is named after himself, largely for satirical purposes, but none the less...has some humility!) ensures that I'm horribly embarrassed about the entire idea. Yet, my reluctant acceptance that --- for now --- I must stay on this job dictates that we've gotta come up with some way to afford it. It really has become a 36/7 operation these days w/ no time to do anything else (oh, like eat, sleep, etc...much less take paying gigs!)

Sigh...Anyway. You guys have always been the ones in charge here.

I will be getting a PO Box one way or another! But just so nobody gets the wrong idea about PAY PAL, I've found it to be VERY secure! The problem seems not to be PAY PAL at all, but the scumbags who harvest Email addresses, and try to trick folks into believing there is something wrong with PAY PAL! Ignore those spam notes!

Though I understand the concerns expressed, and I thank those of you who felt comfortable in using it. I'll try and come up with alternatives as time allows...

Thank you all again!

All right everybody, does Brad need to be embarrassed about his devotees having some kind of fundraising operation for him? Wouldn't it be better if we could pull that off and take the burden (and embarrassment) off of him to constantly or even occasionally have to ask for donations? Let me know what you think (see my response #11 above) and let him know that he shouldn't be embarrassed and that we would feel honored to try to help him and be an even more "contributing" part of what he is doing for us and for the country!

No, he doesn't Steve. Hey Winter! What do you think of Steve's idea? How about we do it every three months and get Brad to set a goal of what he needs and we can do everything possible to meet that goal. It can be a mini *Jerry Lewis* blogathon!

I think a fund raiser would be ideal. Maybe if you set it up so that people could mail the checks into it, you would get more donations since there seems to be some aversions to PayPal. I don't have an aversion to Paypal, they just won't let me have an account. However, I would be happy to donate what I can. I just can't do it via PayPal since I don't have a checking account or a credit card. I would be happy to make my donation via a Money order or such. I'll keep my eyes out here and wait to see what everyone decides.

Okay, folks...careful what you wish for! I've now got a mailing address set up for Snail Mail donations!

Brad Friedman
7095 Hollywood Blvd., #594
Los Angeles, CA 90028

So now whatcha gonna do for an excuse?!

P.S. I'm hoping to set up some monthly "Subscription" options via PayPal as many have asked. That'll be next.

Brad -

We've been wondering how you manage to survive at all in that expensive neck of the woods without a steady income. MANY thanks for your efforts on behalf of democracy! We'd be well and truly lost without your site, and the sites of other truthmongers - but this one feels a bit more like home.

You're always welcome here at home, Peg C. It's good to be around family.

Hey Brad the checks in the snail mail. Keep up the good work and watch your back. You do an invaluable service for all us Patriots,Thanks Laura

BTW have you heard anything from Air America? I've written them a few times about having you on,I hope it comes to pass.Your investigations deserve all the exposure they can get.Thanks again L

same here Brad - the check's in da mail. and I do expect results! (we don't have to be a liberal to contribute do we?). I'm not sure about Sean Hannity, but you really ARE a Great American. keep on keeping on!

re Steve [#11] Cheryl [#22] and other related comments: I think these are very good ideas and I will be happy to help.
Sorry for the ... um ... slow ... um ... response ... but I have been offline for the last several days [while the interior of my cave was being painted...

DKD -

Liberalism not necessary. Intellectual honesty and a lack of hypocrisy is a must. (I bet some of the BRAD BLOG regulars would have *hated* me if Kerry had won!

Oh, and a *true* love of country don't hurt either.

I only wish Hannity actually was as great an American as he and his listeners keep telling themselves they are!

Oh Jesus Oh Jesus...Have you guys seen this? Is it possible????? Is this a reliable source??? I honestly have NO IDEA.

I think I'm gonna be sick.

If this is real...

*****

According to Florida and Georgia law enforcement sources, John Couey, the confessed killer of 9-year old Jessica Lunsford in Homosassa, Florida was a patron of an immigrant smuggling business in Valdosta, Georgia that illegally imported migrant workers and children into the town and its environs. The smuggling business has been tied to Coggins Farm Supply of Lake Park, a town eight miles from Valdosta. The firm’s owner, Kevin Coggins, is a major player in the Georgia Republican Party and a major funder of Senator Saxby Chambliss and George W. Bush. There are also connections between the people smugglers and Pacific Tomato Growers of Palmetto, Florida and California. Pacific Growers has been a champion of Jeb Bush’s questionable migrant farmer’s program as well as George W. Bush’s Federal AgJobs Bill, which fail to crack down on growers who use illegal aliens. (Letters to the Editor, St. Petersburg Times, March 31, 2004).

Some of the illegal immigrants, apprehended by "coyotes" (agents) in Mexico, Guatemala, China, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, work on Coggins farms. Others, especially young girls and boys, are pimped to customers by local businessmen in Valdosta, including the owner of a local strip club. Couey was a patron of the strip club and paid $300 for sex with young Mexican girls. Valdosta has become a virtual haven for sex offenders, according to law enforcement sources. Law enforcement sources also report a connection between the smuggling ring and the Russian-Israeli Mafia. One State of Florida investigation into the ring, as well as two Federal investigations and a Grand Jury probe, were shut down on orders from the Bush White House.

The immigrant smugglers use "nickelmen" to illegally provide workers with phony Social Security Numbers. One such nickelman provided a false SSN to Chinese spy Henry Ni, who was arrested in Orlando for trying to ship missile parts to China. Ni was also a computer programmer for Yang Enterprises, an Oviedo, Florida-based firm that was investigated for overcharging the Florida Department of Transportation and NASA. Yang’s general counsel and registered lobbyist was Tom Feeney, Jeb Bush’s running mate in 1994, ex-Speaker of the Florida House of Representatives who heped deliver Florida to Bush in 2000, and current U.S. Congressman who sits on the House Judiciary Committee. Florida investigator Raymond Lemme was investigating the illegal alien importation, contract fraud, and other corruption when he was found dead from a suspicious suicide in a Valdosta Knight’s Inn motel in July 2003.

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I am sooo sorry for the long post but I'm paranoid these days, afraid it might disappear, and I got such a strange feeling when I read that.

And I should have put an OT warning in front of it.

Oh well...

I tried PayPal, but it wouldn't give change for a nickel.

Mana, don't you have any friends to go play with? Mabe you need a nap.

Kestrel #32 This stuff has been popping up often. Would love to know more. Even speculation on some blogs that Gan/Guck was one of the kids. I don't know if it's real or not.

Kestrel #32 You forgot the Triffids. Cannot forget them. Or the shape-shifters. And then there's Klatu and of course all that creepy stuff out at Area-51. Wait, what about the black helicopters?

Thanks, for the link, Kes. Amazing.

Mananananananananananananananananana -

Whose alias are you? I have a few guesses.

Kes - thanks for the link. I'm reading now. BTW, don't step in the Banana poop.

Hey y'all, regular readers know, but since we have a few new ones, I want to reiterate - it's ALL speculation until we have proof. Disinformation is the way the current administration functions (or DIS-functions) Assume every piece of information you run across is tainted, and proceed from there to find the truth. It does bring up a few names and possible connections however, so research to your heart's content, and if the source seems legit, please let us know.

QUESTION EVERYTHING.

Nana #35 - I heard that about Gannon/Guckert too - it's fascinating speculation, but if it's true, look for him to wind up in a Valdosta hotel room. I don't believe these folks are going down that easy.

THIS IS OFF TOPIC, and I apologize.

There is no excuse for the filabuster to be killed by the nuclear option while the country sits glued to the television staring down the barrel of a feeding tube.

Paying attention to the convenient cover being overplayed in Florida will catch people feeling mighty foolish as yet another vestige of democracy is murdered.

What happens in Florida is less important than what is happening in Washington D.C. The Senate should be the focus right now. Senator Frist should be the one in the glare of the spotlight.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to save the filabuster. If we end up with judges who are slaves to corporate interests, and enemies of the environment, and we did NOTHING to stop it, then we will be once again lamenting after the fact how bad things are.

You have to take action now, speak up now. No one will care about what is said when it's too late. If you haven't taken five minutes to practice democracy today, isn't it time that you did?

PLEASE JOIN THE FILABLOG

www.democracycellproject.net

THIS IS OFF TOPIC, and I apologize.

There is no excuse for the filabuster to be killed by the nuclear option while the country sits glued to the television staring down the barrel of a feeding tube.

Paying attention to the convenient cover being overplayed in Florida will catch people feeling mighty foolish as yet another vestige of democracy is murdered.

What happens in Florida is less important than what is happening in Washington D.C. The Senate should be the focus right now. Senator Frist should be the one in the glare of the spotlight.

I cannot stress enough how important it is to save the filabuster. If we end up with judges who are slaves to corporate interests, and enemies of the environment, and we did NOTHING to stop it, then we will be once again lamenting after the fact how bad things are.

You have to take action now, speak up now. No one will care about what is said when it's too late. If you haven't taken five minutes to practice democracy today, isn't it time that you did?

PLEASE JOIN THE FILABLOG

www.democracycellproject.net

sorry for the double post, my fingers are fumbling today. moderater, please feel free to take down the duplicate.

And, thank you in advance for your attention to this issue.

Brad,

Yesterday, 3/29/5, I attempted to make a donation via PayPal, but when I clicked "Pay", PayPal messed up and instead of returning either a confirmation or an error page, gave me the same page again, but with a few characters changed in the "how it will appear on your bill" thing. There was no way to tell whether they'd processed the payment.

So I reported the bug to PayPal.

And as thanks, today I received an e-mail from PayPal with a virus attached! (HTML.Phishing.Pay-14) I know getting bug reports is not fun, but PayPal's reaction seems to me just a wee bit out of line.

Now I'm afraid to go anywhere near PayPal.

(but the snails are on their way, straight to L.A....)

Kestrel, #32
Here's another article on that subject that was linked to a couple of weeks ago by WhatReallyHappened.

yeah right - why don't you try an survive in the open market?

Mark LLoyd Baker #45 - Thanks, I keep running into stuff about the Franklin cover-up, and more and more there are links being made to the current administration.

What freaked me out a little about the above (#32) were the references to Valdosta, a strip club owner (maybe one around the hotel where Ray Lemme's body was found? Don't know) and the name "Henry Ni". All this is related to the Clint Curtis story. I'd never seen those connections made before the little girl in Florida was found murdered.

But that last statement was the one that got to me - "One State of Florida investigation into the ring, as well as two Federal investigations and a Grand Jury probe, were shut down on orders from the Bush White House."

I haven't found out yet whether it's true or false, but if it's true..*shudders*

I've been looking into Bella Ciao - it seems to be OK (and the Italians (or the French) are definitely better-informed than OUR crew), so I'm giving the report a guarded regard. After all, THEIR reporting isn't censored by the WH.

Yet.

Kes -

There still ARE "people like us" in this country. As lomg as we have each other, we have some defenses.

You know, I have always tried to explain to my kids that we do live in the land of the free and that we have our rights protected by the constitution - such as freedom of press and so forth. But as they get older and hear more and more - it's so glaringly obvious to me and my kids that we don't really live in the land of the free. Between censorship and only hearing what our government wants us to hear, how can we call ourselves the land of the free? With cover-ups, dishonest people in govt., dishonest news being put out there - I wonder if we ever hear the true story on anything related to our countries leaders. Thank the powers that be that we have people like Brad out there trying to make sure we have the truth. Without truth - all is lost. Thanks Brad - the check will be in the mail as soon as I can get it there. Peace

Duuuude, the check is in the mail

Good going!

Peg C #50 - Um..we don't have to hug and sing Kumbaya or anything do we?

Just pokin at ya girly - yes, there are people like us, and this place is a welcome refuge.

ShadowTwinChaos - I was teaching homeschool fifth grade US History when the towers fell and the Patriot Act was put into place. We were studying the Constitution - it was almost surreal to compare what was true pre-911 and what changed after.

This year I've been teaching Civics, and the book I'm using to teach was published in 2001 - so I keep having to say, "Well, that was true then but things have changed a little now". The Bill of Rights was particularly challenging to teach, because my son, being the inquisitive soul he is, and a born natural at debating, kept saying, "But I heard you say" such and such, "and wouldn't that go against the ____ amendment?"

He's been a witness to my activism, and now that he's older, often a willing participant. He knows we have an obligation to do everything we can to make changes for the better. It's true, it's a different world now - and it's our job to make sure the kids are socially aware and politically active in it.

He's also being made painfully aware of the some of the ins and outs of politics. As part of his Civics class, he wrote a letter to the Governor of Tennessee, asking him what he considers the most challenging part of his job. He's asked me several times if we've received any response, and the last time I told him no, he said, "I wonder if he'd have answered me if I made a lot of money and was old enough to vote?"

From the mouths of babes....

Then he proceeded to do the math to figure out exactly which election will be his first (2010 for Congress and local, 2012 for President) I just smiled and thought, "Look out, world - this one's not gonna take it lying down!"

Don't ya love those moments that let you know, when it comes to raising children, at least you're doing SOMETHING right?

Mark Lloyd Baker -

The mail with the virus you received, I'm quite certain, was not from PayPal. On the other hand, I'm sure it was designed to look as if it was.

The prob with PayPal doesn't seem to be PayPal, as much as all the scammers out there trying to take advantage of folks by *acting* like they are PayPal. Don't be fooled by such messages...just hit delete!

Beyond that, if you still have a question about the PayPal charge (or not) you should be able to call them at:

Call us toll-free at: 1-888-221-1161

4:00 AM PST to 10:00 PM PST Monday through Friday
6:00 AM PST to 8:00 PM PST on Saturday and Sunday

...Unless you used a different name, I didn't see a donation charged to you on my account.

KestrelBrighteyes - It is so great to hear that there are other parents out there with kids like ours. Our kids have done some of the following:

1. Stood up in their govt. classes and debated with a teacher who leaned a little to far towards the Bush side. 16 year old.

2. Tried to stand outside on election day and ask everyone who passed if they had voted yet and gave directions to the polls. 12 year old.

3. Wouldn't let the other kids change the channel on election day because he didn't want to miss any of the results. 8 year old.

4. Started a message board to get young kids involved in the political process. 16 year old.

5. Did a project in school that showed how to go online and look up the voting records of all elected officials. 14 year old.

6. And then there is my newborn. At 3 months old I had him wearing anti-Bush shirts and an anti-Bush hat.

We try very hard not to force our views on politics or religion on any of our kids. But we have six kids in our household. And from the two sixteen year olds, the 14 year old, the 12 year old and the 8 year old, you can debate just about any topic in the news and they will give you a good arguement. It's all about being aware.

I know in my heart that each and every one of our kids will not only grow up and change the world - but they will make it a better place. I see it as my job not only to prepare them for the world - but to take good care of it so that it's in good shape when they get into it. People like Brad help me alot in that fight. Peace

People -

What is needed is another "Pearl Harbor-like" event. Our little fuhrer needs a cause, and he's going to generate one, for raping Iran this summer.
Look for a dirty bomb detonation somewhere in urban America (we've already been steered towards Boston, so let's look at Chicago). This is a gigantic crime, treason of the highest, murder most foul, and infamous evil.

Please...keep a skeptical head when the endangered "administration" tries to sell you more war and death in the name of "democracy."

This is a gigantic crime...

Peg, please resume taking your meds right away. Your grip on reality is slipping badly. You don't want the nice people to come back and make you put on that white coat with the long, long sleeves and the buckles in the back, do you?

Peg - It is scary isn't it. While there seems to be no limit to what the Bush admin would do to stay in power - I have to believe that there is an answer to all this. The people are the ones who have to put an end to this - not the politicians. The people have to take our government back. Stand up and be heard. Too mana - I mean many - people in America chose to be blind to what is really going on in our governments. Only once the majority of people stand up and take back our government will we be on the right path.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Ben Franklin

And Mana - as usual, trying to be clever makes no point. It is obvious you disagree - why not try and make your point without the personal slurs. I mean, if you want to roll around and sling dirt - then be like all the Republican politicians. But if you come to this site to debate topics - then debate them instead of verbally abusing other posting people here. You don't really win any points for your side. I would love to have an honest debate of the topics with you - if you had a point.

It is obvious you disagree ...

Disagree? That's a laugh! I find the whole "theory" as nutty as some of the kooky stuff I've seen coming out of the old John Birch Society. This is the kind of baloney Tim McVeigh lapped up in the Turner Diaries before he murdered 168 innocent people in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Please tell me how you debate with people who exhibit that kind of insanity?

Perhaps it is just "chest thumping" that y'all must do to motivate the tribe to action. But to an outsider who hasn't dwelt in the fever swamps for many years, it looks like insanity to me.

Mana - Okay, I have come to the conclusion that you have no point to make. I have asked you several times to give me a topic to debate with you. I would love to hear your views on any government issue. From the system we use to count votes at the polls to our constitutional rights. Anything? No - instead you want to compare us to a mass murderer. Again - misplaced animosity and slurs. How could you compair me to anyone. You haven't taken the time to find out anything about what I believe. But here - let me help you. I am an enviromentalist. I believe in protecting the earth. I am a person who believe strongly in my country and the rights we have protected by our constitution. The same constitution that our country was founded on. The same rights that our men and women have died to obtain and protect. I believe in peace. I believe in protecting our country - no, not just country - our world for our children. It is our gift to them. I would like to rest knowing that when my 9 month old son grows up he will have a safe, healthy world to live in.

So - tell me again - How do I remind you of Tim McVeigh? How do I sound insane? Please tell me because right now - you seem to me to be the insane one.

How do I remind you of Tim McVeigh?

You don't. This does:

What is needed is another "Pearl Harbor-like" event. Our little fuhrer needs a cause, and he's going to generate one, for raping Iran this summer.
Look for a dirty bomb detonation somewhere in urban America (we've already been steered towards Boston, so let's look at Chicago). This is a gigantic crime, treason of the highest, murder most foul, and infamous evil.

I believe the point that Peg C was trying to make was that the Govt. was either involved in or used 9/11 as an excuse to go into a war that wasn't really valid. That the Bush govt. would either plan or be involved in another incident as a reason to fight a war. I don't think she is supporting it, she was warning to watch for it to happen. I apolize to Peg C if this was not your point. I am not attempting to put words into your mouth by any means. If I am inaccurate - please feel free to correct me. Peace

I believe the point that Peg C was trying to make...

Either you're not getting my point or you are ignoring it. The text I cited indicates to me someone who is as far removed from reality as those like Tim McVeigh were when they were espousing similar conspiracy theories.

...was that the Govt. was either involved in or used 9/11...

My point exactly. You can't possibly think that normal, rational people will look at anybody who even hints at the US being involved in perpetrating 9/11 as being anything but a nut.

I don't think she is supporting it, she was warning to watch for it to happen.

Again, proving my point. That is just plain crazy.

I gave close to $5,000 last year to charitable organizations but sadly, none to Brad's Blog.

Manamanama #64 - First off I was going to ignore you because I thought you were just trolling, and I don't feed trolls. Now, however, I realize you really might not know what we're talking about - so feel free to read and learn.

Peg C was borrowing a quote from the neocons that are now in control of our government - read it in their own words:

Project for a New American Century

From page 52 (hope my link works):

Read and study the document, then let us know what you think - and remember, it wasn't conspiracy theorists that wrote it. When you're done reading, go to the signature page of the document, and read the names of the men who were part of drawing up this document back in 1998. They should sound very familiar to you.

Peg C was borrowing a quote ...

I get it - they said Pearl Harbor and she said Pearl Harbor so that's "borrowing" a quote. Baloney.

As far as the study, I read it, can find absolutely nothing wrong with it, and only recognized two people myself Kristol and Wolfowicz. What was the point of that?

Ah, first impression was correct - you're just trolling.

Nevermind

For anyone else reading this who actually would like to know more, in addition to the link above:

Project for a New American Century (PNAC)
A Complete List of PNAC Signatories and Contributing Writers

Here's a good summary of part of the PNAC:

Rebuilding America's Defenses - summary

And an opinion piece on how we got there in the first place:

How We Got Into This Imperial Pickle:
A PNAC Primer

One more:

Do you recognize any of these people?

(and my apologies for going off topic - perhaps we should move this to open thread?)

cheers, kes! thanks.

I apologize for carrying on this off-thread discussion. You are right - maybe it should be taken to another thread. Peace

Oh you guys...I love you very much.

Awwww, thanks - we love you to Peg. Mwah

Hi, Brad - I got out my credit card, but when I click "Secure Checkout" on Paypal, the screen won't move on so that I can continue with making a payment. So there's a technical problem. I'll keep checking to see if it clears up.

Hay Manananana
You wrote "My point exactly. You can't possibly think that normal, rational people will look at anybody who even hints at the US being involved in perpetrating 9/11 as being anything but a nut."

Google this "Operation Northwoods"

about comments 32 and 47...John Couey...the investigation...Coggins...the cover up...the whole nine yards... Believe it...and shudder.

about comments 32 and 47...John Couey...the investigation...Coggins...the cover up...the whole nine yards... Believe it...and shudder.

about comments 32 and 47...John Couey...the investigation...Coggins...the cover up...the whole nine yards... Believe it...and shudder.