Perhaps Obama didn't specifically order Trump's calls to be recorded --- but he would not have had to, since the No Such Agency is trying to collect everything, automatically.

NSA whistleblower Russ Tice claimed that then Senator Obama had his calls collected. It's reasonable that Trump's calls were recorded, too. (The only and only place I agree with Trump.)

The government is listening to the people.

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NSA whistleblower Russ Tice on Boiling Frogs Podcast
June 19, 2013

http://www.boilingfrogsp...ormation-names-culprits/

NSA whistleblower Russel Tice told Peter B. Collins on Boiling Frog Post News (the website of high-level FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds):

[excerpt]

Tice: Okay. They went after–and I know this because I had my hands literally on the paperwork for these sort of things–they went after high-ranking military officers; they went after members of Congress, both Senate and the House, especially on the intelligence committees and on the armed services committees and some of the–and judicial. But they went after other ones, too. They went after lawyers and law firms. All kinds of–heaps of lawyers and law firms. They went after judges. One of the judges is now sitting on the Supreme Court that I had his wiretap information in my hand. Two are former FISA court judges. They went after State Department officials. They went after people in the executive service that were part of the White House–their own people. They went after antiwar groups. They went after U.S. international–U.S. companies that that do international business, you know, business around the world. They went after U.S. banking firms and financial firms that do international business. They went after NGOs that–like the Red Cross, people like that that go overseas and do humanitarian work. They went after a few antiwar civil rights groups. So, you know, don’t tell me that there’s no abuse, because I’ve had this stuff in my hand and looked at it. And in some cases, I literally was involved in the technology that was going after this stuff. And you know, when I said to [former MSNBC show host Keith] Olbermann, I said, my particular thing is high tech and you know, what’s going on is the other thing, which is the dragnet. The dragnet is what Mark Klein is talking about, the terrestrial dragnet. Well my specialty is outer space. I deal with satellites, and everything that goes in and out of space. I did my spying via space. So that’s how I found out about this.

Collins: Now Russ, the targeting of the people that you just mentioned, top military leaders, members of Congress, intelligence community leaders and the–oh, I’m sorry, it was intelligence committees, let me correct that–not intelligence community, and then executive branch appointees. This creates the basis, and the potential for massive blackmail.

Tice: Absolutely! And remember we talked about that before, that I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on. Now here’s the big one. I haven’t given you any names. This was is summer of 2004. One of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with, with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator from Illinois. You wouldn’t happen to know where that guy lives right now, would you? It’s a big white house in Washington, DC. That’s who they went after. And that’s the president of the United States now.

While neither witness could point to evidence that Russia hacked the vote, neither was asked nor could have answered whether the official machine tally was accurate.

Unfortunate that no one brought up the fact that the best form of cybersecurity when it comes to voting entails "Democracy's Gold Standard," to wit, hand-marked paper ballots publicly hand-counted at each precinct on election night.

Brad: You got it wrong with respect to US person whose conversations are captured on a FISA-authorized wiretap. Marci got it right.

Whether we deal with a domestic criminal investigation (e.g. court-authorized wiretap of a Mafia figure) or a FISA warrant with respect to a foreign national (Russian Ambassador), the fact that the surveillance captured a conversation that included a US persons who was not the target of the warrant does not mean that law enforcement is required to obtain another warrant to use the captured conversation against the U.S. person

If, for example, the other person speaking to the Mafia figure turns out to be a hit man, that would entail evidence of a crime that could be used against the hitman. The information (including the identity of the US person) entailed collection incidental to the lawful surveillance.

Also, FBI could not have obtained either a FISA or domestic criminal court order authorizing a tap on anyone in team Trump unless the FBI already had probable cause to show those individuals were likely to have engaged in criminal acts. Thus it is far more likely that the transcript of Flynn's conversation with the Russian Ambassador was the product of an authorized surveillance of the ambassador.

That FISA order, itself, would be classified. So it's unlikely we'll ever see that order.

Thus, it is highly likely that the transcript of the Flynn conversation was incidentally but lawfully acquired as the product of a FISA-authorized surveillance of the Russian Ambassador.

Ernie said @3:

Brad: You got it wrong with respect to US person whose conversations are captured on a FISA-authorized wiretap. Marci got it right.

I don't know that I disagreed with Marci on those points, as much as I was trying to ask her about what the law is (or is supposed to be) in an instance such as this. So, if it sounded as if I disagreed with her, in any respect, that was likely my fault for being unclear somewhere along the way. She is the expert on these issues, not me.

Also, FBI could not have obtained either a FISA or domestic criminal court order authorizing a tap on anyone in team Trump unless the FBI already had probable cause to show those individuals were likely to have engaged in criminal acts.

Right. And that's also what I was trying to get at with Marcy: Trying to learn whether we could yet tell if there was, in fact, a warrant (and, thus, probably cause) for Flynn, or whether he just got caught up incidentally, during his conversation with the (presumably FISA-warranted) Russian ambassador.

The Snowden leaks about "X-Keyscore" suggest they don't need any stinkin' warrants.

Of course, General Flynn would have known this as well as anyone, given his tenure at DIA.