READER COMMENTS ON
"Budget Bushit"
(55 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
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peterpont
said on 2/7/2005 @ 8:32 pm PT...
Yes, no surprise here. But Brad, we are all awaiting the news of your interview with Curtis. Is there substantial substance there to be excited about?
Thanks( also to winter patroit and fin)
Peter
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Peg C
said on 2/7/2005 @ 9:57 pm PT...
Oh, the slimy little dictator wannabe. I wannabe his nemesis. There must be a way!
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Teresa
said on 2/7/2005 @ 10:23 pm PT...
Will someone please change the diaper on that crappy-ass, snot nosed wannabe dictator? I can smell it all the way over here.
The court mathematician must have come up with the numbers for this little budget, and he is either drunk or on some bad hallucinogenic.
For the stupid little no-lipped fuss-budget!
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Peg C
said on 2/7/2005 @ 10:56 pm PT...
Thank you, whatever god, for getting me out of that infernal underlining loop! Blessings upon thee.
Teresa, I don't know of anyone who can heap loathing quite like you! I never learned the language. It's time to stop being "nice," though isn't it?! Haven't you heard the Apologist Himself talking the numbers? He sounds like half an ass. Lets hope he loses his balance when he tries to kick.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/7/2005 @ 11:04 pm PT...
Good night, dear all. Pray for this country. Or LOVE it, anyway.
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Teresa
said on 2/7/2005 @ 11:10 pm PT...
Oh, Peg. Maybe you shouldn't learn the language. It boomerangs at times with a lot of unpleasant return. I love your high-minded grace and manners. Real class. But yes, being nice should be reserved for those who are nice to us. And believe me, I can be very "nice"!
I have had many fans of my social criticism, though, through the years, and it has egged me on. It is such a great pleasure to have this place to express myself with such freedom.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 2/7/2005 @ 11:11 pm PT...
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
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Brad
said on 2/7/2005 @ 11:36 pm PT...
PETERPONT -
News of the Clint Curtis event in UT, I promise, will be forthcoming. Gathering thoughts, catching up, and rounding out a few loose ends.
Also hoping the Freedom Cinema Festival folks can turn things around quickly and get the interview online before too long. Saving me the effort of having to recap much of what is better told via the live shot.
I will, nonetheless, have some words tomorrow and/or the next day on a few items of note from Utah.
Continuing thanks for your patience. Plenty in the oven, but it seems that Aug '04 through Jan '05 took it's toll on me, and it's taking a bit longer than expected to get ducks in a row to ramp up for a new year of trouble-making.
But trouble-making it shall be. Promise. Coming soon.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/7/2005 @ 11:49 pm PT...
I couldn't sleep, Teresa. Remember the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge? It's on the block with this infernal "budget" too. I can't recocile myself to a world in which all wild places are polluted by oil and indifference.
The CONs sneaked the "ohl" thing in, may they be relegated to the furthest reaches of hell.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/7/2005 @ 11:52 pm PT...
Brad -
You are a shining light. Don't apologize. Come back STRONG when you're ready. Take care of yourself.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
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des
said on 2/7/2005 @ 11:54 pm PT...
what gets me the most about the bush budget is that he will NOT be accountable for the economic disaster we will all suffer AFTER he gets out of office.
no matter what happens to the rest of us from here on out, he and his corporate cronies will have had plenty of time to position themselves to profit from any economic turbulence.
he's selling off the government one sector at a time --- first it was defense contracts for his war of choice, focusing on fancy new machines rather than say, properly outfitting the personnel on the ground.
now it's "private accounts" for social security, which will be a tremendous windfall for the financial sector with a new source of money flooding into the system. imagine, all that money is suddenly available for the stock market, rather than tied up in the boring old government. where's the profit in that?
for all you freepers and Bush zombies, yes, those private accounts are completely voluntary. but that's only half the story. i can't wait to see what kind of decisions the younger folks of today are going to make, when personal financial planning and economic fundamentals are NOT taught in public schools.
bush is not strong on long-term consequences or outcomes --- maybe he can't think that far ahead...
or maybe he just doesn't care.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 2/8/2005 @ 1:36 am PT...
Peg, I got upset when they authorized the killing of our wild horses out here in the West.
But I believe the earth and its beautiful, perfect animals will defend themselves quite well. We are not the masters, no matter what certain people's religious philosophies' dictate. The animals survived the tsunami. Humans did not.
Brad, take your sweet time. you've done so much so quickly. We all need to be strong, fearless, rested, clear-headed, and healthy. We need to eat well, sleep well, and enjoy our simple pleasures through everything.
>bush is not strong on long-term consequences or outcomes --- maybe he can't think that far ahead...
or maybe he just doesn't care.
Des #11
I don't think he does care. I think he's just mad and spinning like a whirling dervish.
A book was written about him last year, and the author asked him if he thought that history would remember him.
Bush said "I don't know. We'll all be dead".
I don't think he respects life. His or anybody else's.
I am certain he doesn't care about consequences.
He acts like a person who knows he will be dead soon.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
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Da Wookie
said on 2/8/2005 @ 2:38 am PT...
Teresa, I reckon you're not far off the mark. Once he stops being an asset to his corporate buddies, he'll be getting the Jake Horton treatment. Just in time for Jeb to be "elected" is my guess.
Keep the faith!
PS. Get well soon Brad. Fin and WinterPatriot did a fine, fine job in your absence, 'nuff respect to both.
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czaragorn
said on 2/8/2005 @ 2:43 am PT...
Hi Teresa!
You said, "The animals survived. Humans did not." I only wish you had qualified that last part. Off in the Nicobars plenty of the indigenous humans survived - the ones who didn't probably didn't have high enough ground on their islands. Perhaps we should look at the reasons "civilized" humans did not survive. It might teach us a lot, stuff we're gonna certainly need when the balloon inevitably goes up...
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 2/8/2005 @ 3:22 am PT...
Right, Czaragorn. The group of people called the Moken survived easily. They were warned about a "wave that eats people". They saw the water recede and knew that the wave was coming. They calmly waited a while, and then when the water started coming back in they headed for the hills.
These people are in tune with nature. I think all of our modern distractions make us vulnerable. All you had to do was look at the sea and it was clear. But people are not paying attention. Too much sensory input. I, myself, have a very hard time when I go out in the city I live in. I have to wear ear plugs. I absolutely cannot stand the noise.. mostly the piped in music blasting. People overload their sense organs to the point where they no longer serve them well in surviving. I can't imagine how anyone could have seen the water pull back like that and not react.
One has to just pay attention. I don't know why humans have gotten so out of touch. The people of this country should have been paying more attention to the danger that was lurking in our government. They seem so shut down in general. This has always disturbed me.
Television and many of the modern sensory stimulations are destructive, I believe. I threw my TV out 30 years ago. I live in silence much of the time, and my ears are like a bat's. I can really hear well, and I count on that for my well-being.
I guess we're in some evolutionary rut. But we can do better. We are equipped.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 2/8/2005 @ 4:15 am PT...
Teresa - I think a good place to start tuning in with nature would be to respect nature. The sea ate people who didn't respect it. Those who did were spared. Bullsh & Co clearly don't respect anything but power and money, which accounts for why our country is currently busily raping the world. Just think of the changes Americans have wrought over the last fifty, hundred, two hundred years! We will, of course, prevail, provided we about-face and tune in in time.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
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cheryl
said on 2/8/2005 @ 6:39 am PT...
What are all you guys doing up so late? It's 6 am here on the beautiful West Coast and I thought I got here early.
Hi sweet Peg C - Here is Bushit himself explaining Social Security:
"Because the --- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculate, for example, is on the table; whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those --- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be --- or closer delivered to what has been promised."
Hunh? What did he say? And I'm sure he's put just as much thought into how to do it as he's put into how to say it. He's a very thoughtful guy, you know.
Hey!!! How did you do that underline?
I love the way you talk Teresa!
Brad, we all know that you're a natural born *troublemaker* and that as soon as you're feeling better you'll be right back at it!!
That's why we love you. You're probably just burned out from trying to carry the fight nearly single-handedly. Get well soon!
Des, you're right about the young people being in serious trouble in the future. Even if they did teach personal financial planning and economic fundamentals in school it wouldn't help much. Most of us are living paycheque to paycheque now and it's going to get a lot worse.
Oh, what am I saying? It'll be easy to save for retirement - they don't need to have a family or own a house. They can work all their lives just to make sure they don't spend their senior years in poverty. Mustn't be greedy you know. Have to sacrifice for tomorrow.
Czaragorn, I've lived on the water all my life and can't even imagine what was going through those people's heads when the tide went waaaay out. Why on earth would you go down on the beach when the sea was doing something soooo strange? Something you've never seen before? You're right about respecting nature. And using a little common sense.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
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cheryl
said on 2/8/2005 @ 6:52 am PT...
Condisleaza tells Europe to move past conflicts or else.....
What a sleazy, arrogant bully! Who the hell does she think she is? Are they gonna take on the whole world now, or what?
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
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MrBlueSky
said on 2/8/2005 @ 8:01 am PT...
Des... Comment #11:
I, for one, am a younger worker who will NEVER allow my Soc. Sec. investments to be diverted to a private account! (One younger worker on board, millions more to go!)
Why is no one saying that, in 1978, Bush admitted that he wanted to end Soc Security altogether and that his first step would be to privatize the accounts?
Why is this world so blind???
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
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cheryl
said on 2/8/2005 @ 9:07 am PT...
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 2/8/2005 @ 9:39 am PT...
The problem is that the U.S. is too big. Corporations are too big. Problems are solved by breaking them down into smaller and smaller chunks, to identify problems or potential problems, and then create individual building blocks that can work together for the health of the whole. But when entities are too big, there are too many "blocks" and no one can monitor or care for the individual blocks for the health of the entire system. So choices are made, and in this case, America has chosen PROFIT as the over-riding priority. People and the separate 50 states making up the union will have to take steps, enact legislation, to off-set the evil machinations of the "corporate empire" under the current "Republican" administration. The damage that will be reaped will be far-reaching and last well into the future. It cannot and will not be UNDONE, only countered or off-set. You are like sailors of ships in a storm; you are not in control. The menace has taken on a life and direction of its own. It will take generations to halt because it seems those in power cannot easily be removed. They only replace themselves with others like them to perpetuate the pursuit of power for PROFIT. It is a sad time in the history of the world. Golden oportunities but evil choices made by those in power...
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/8/2005 @ 10:36 am PT...
Hello, everybody!
Teresa and Czaragorn first: I too "hear like a bat." It's my primary sense, my link to reality. I can tell where a movie was filmed, not where the action is supposed to be taking place, by listening to birdsong. At a remote Provincial Park in Newfoundland, I once told the Native park administrator that there were mink there (which he had denied) because I'd spotted one after tuning in to the frantic distress notes of ground-nesting sparrows. This is not to talk about "me." This is to point out that we as a species do retain our connection to the natural world. We, many of us, have just forgotten to pay attention. And that is tragic; because we do, after all, live here.
Cheryl: I need to live on an ocean! Again, I think for sea people, geographical claustrophobia is ingrained, genetic. And yes to your global takeover question. Condo and her husb...are "entitled," didn't you know? While all the rest of us are losing our entitlements. Too bad they weren't better "entitled" to flexible brains and moral fiber.
Democracy Now pointed out this A.M. that the bu**budget cuts $450million from the Environmental Protection Agency budget. Where did I read last week of a Repug legislator saying that God gave the earth to man to hold absolute dominion over? Does anyone else familiar with Genesis detect the error of this assertion? It was made to argue that, since earth is "ours" to do as we like with, "protecting" it doesn't matter. Huh? Does he have his own private spaceship?
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 2/8/2005 @ 10:41 am PT...
Peggy #21 ...
Mike Ruppert is either presenting a solution or has turned off and feels there is no use.
His comments in favor economic boycotts and the like exhibit some hope. But he seems to be loosing energy.
He has been at it for a long, long time.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 2/8/2005 @ 11:14 am PT...
re #23: I've seen good reasons to believe that Mike Ruppert is a spook. I suggest you not pay any attention to him.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
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Peggy
said on 2/8/2005 @ 12:25 pm PT...
I really don't know how DUMYA, his family, the Repubs. and their families, the administration - how do they live with themselves - or look in the mirror - without feeling so filthy dirty all the time? They are all so corrupt and stupid, they will inevitably self-destruct, but take everyone else down with them. I wish the ground would move out from under them and swallow them up. I never have been very patient...sigh...
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 2/8/2005 @ 12:34 pm PT...
WP #24 ... care to share that?
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 2/8/2005 @ 1:06 pm PT...
re #26. Hi again, Dredd. I'm sorry but I have to be a bit vague at this point. I remember reading some very strange and suspicious things from [and about] Mike Ruppert and now I am looking for them, hoping to find them again so I can give you quotes or [hopefully] links. Unfortunately my main computer died recently and I have lost a lot of notes and links and other important stuff too.
But I will keep looking. Keep an eye on this thread --- I'll post more when I find it.
Also please don't neglect the possibility that I might be wrong!!
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 2/8/2005 @ 1:52 pm PT...
WP #27. I know you are open minded and careful. That is why I entertain ideas from you that are different from my current understanding.
I met him not too long ago ... a few months. It was at UCLA where I like to do my legal research. It has a magnificent law library.
Anyway he gave a talk, told about his college days there, and about all the tear gas the day Kent State happened. He said the UCLA campus exploded in protest.
His mother and father are or were CIA, and so was his soul mate. He found out she was running some operatives inside the LAPD to bring drugs into the US. He suffered major, major shock.
It was against his belief and he confronted them all on it. They turned on him and hit him hard. Brought him down. But he has not given up.
He could have gone far Far FAR in the CIA, DEA, or LAPD as a narco. Instead he turned on them for their hypocritical posturing and illegalities.
If he is a spook I can't fathom who it would be for and how he would be advancing their agenda.
His writings are devistating to the Bush admin and the realm of bushit. He is entirely anti neocon and understands that Iraq etc. is about oil.
But I will entertain evidence of anything since I have an open mind.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 2/8/2005 @ 6:21 pm PT...
re #28 ... Thanks, Dredd, for your kind words. It could be that I have made a bad mistake about Mike Ruppert. And if that is the case I will be very happy to admit it!
I've been digging into some long-lost places and now I'm starting to think that maybe I've been duped by people who would like me to think that Mike Ruppert is a spook. Or else by people who would like to take him down a notch for their own personal benefit. Or maybe I was right in comment #24. I'm still not sure, but I can tell you what I was thinking when I wrote that... I had three items in mind:
[1] Unless I am much mistaken, Mike Ruppert published an article on his website just a few days after 9/11 which claimed [without any supporting evidence] that the towers fell due to the impact and the fires, not from any explosives planted in the buildings. This could have been an honest error on his part, or it could have been [and to me it looked like] disinformation. Of course this question is crucial, because it's one thing to hijack four planes, but quite another to plant bombs in the towers. And if Islamic terrorists had managed to plant bombs in the World Trade Center then there would have been no need to hit the towers with planes, would there? They could have done a heck of a lot more damage by simply waiting until the towers were full and then pushing the magic button... I have been of a mind lately that anyone who is talking about the 9/11 hijackers is more likely part of the coverup than part of the investigation, and at the moment it's hard to see where Mike Ruppert stands on this. It seems to me that his position has changed lately. And that might indicate that he was mistaken, rather than that he was deliberately feeding us disinfo.
[2] I am not sure how much I buy his story of Peak Oil and it seems to me that whenever he gets a chance to link 9/11 and Peak Oil it comes out as somehow presenting a justification for these wars. Again I can't tell how much this is intentional disinfo and how much it is my failing to understand him properly.
[3] There's a recent artlcle on Serendipity for which I can actually give you a link, which claims that in Mike Ruppert's recent presentation in Seattle he declared that "the window on 9/11 has closed." The author of this piece, Victor Thorn, cites this page as evidence and I can't tell whether he is right or wrong about it. Maybe Thorn is upset because he's about to publish a book about 9/11 and he may fear that Ruppert's pronouncement will make his book less marketable. Or maybe he sincerely believes that Ruppert is trying to do for to 9/11 what Gerald Posner's "Case Closed" tried to do to the JFK assassination.
As you can see, I am not very determined to stick to my claim that Ruppert is a spook, and to tell you the truth I would be a lot happier if I didn't have any doubts about his motives at all. But at this point I kinda don't trust anybody, especially when it comes to 9/11. There is a lot going on that is clearly professional disinformation; good-faith researchers are being smeared by those who don't want us to take them seriously. Meanwhile the disinfo mongers are being smeared by the good-faith researchers and it is getting tougher and tougher to tell who is who.
In any case, here's a long quote from Victor Thorn's piece that really does make me wonder...
I’m not surprised by Ruppert’s pronouncement, because this man has done more to steer people away from getting to the bottom of what happened to the WTC towers than anyone else. He did so in Crossing the Rubicon by diverting everyone’s attention with his war-games limited hang-out. What precisely do I mean? Well, no one is denying that war games took place on the morning of 9-11, and no one is denying that our military stood-down. No one is even surprised that Dick Cheney was one of the individuals behind it.
But here is the crux issue of 9-11: war games did not cause the World Trade Center towers to physically collapse, and a military stand-down did not cause the World Trade Center towers to physically collapse. Therefore, what if Dick Cheney appeared on television tonight and admitted: "Yes, Mike Ruppert was correct. I was in charge of the war games, and because of the confusion created by them, our military was compelled to stand-down and not intercept the incoming jetliners. So, because of our INCOMPETENCE (yes, the ‘incompetence angle’), those pesky terrorists careened their hijacked airliners into the World Trade Center towers, and that’s what brought them down."
Can’t you see what is taking place here? It’s an unadulterated limited hang-out that, if ever played out like a trump card, still reinforces the government’s official version of events that 19 Arab hijackers planned and carried out the 9-11 attacks; thereby removing all blame from them. But that’s not what really happened. Being that burning jet fuel couldn’t have brought down the towers, the jetliners striking WTC 1 and WTC 2 was merely a pretext for the deliberate demolition of these structures! That’s the bottom line to 9-11.
Ruppert’s limited hang-out is the oldest trick in the book, and I can’t believe how many people have fallen for it. But what Ruppert doesn’t want you to do (thus he diverts your attention) is to look at what actually caused the physical collapse of the WTC towers. More importantly, if that part of the government’s version of events is undeniably proven false, the entire "myth" begins to crumble. This is precisely why they’ve gone to such great lengths to steer you away from this crucial point.
I'm not sure what to believe anymore except I have renewed respect for the ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/8/2005 @ 7:21 pm PT...
Has anyone heard from Freebird lately?
Interesting discussion, Dredd and Winter P.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
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Nana
said on 2/8/2005 @ 7:29 pm PT...
Wonder how much $$$ goes to his christian cohorts? Those evangelicals are going to want payback, bet he allows for it somewhere in that pitiful budget. Where can a copy of this budget be found ?
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 2/8/2005 @ 8:11 pm PT...
WP #29. Thanks for the info.
One thing about Ruppert, he was fighting Bushit before 9/11.
Peak oil is very real. I knew of it and talked about it before I heard of Ruppert. I knew of documentaries and books by folks who do nothing in their business but study oil supplies in the world. They have mentioned peak oil before 911.
He has made the incredible sacrifices that seperate the real from the frill. Ask this when you listen to a source ... what have they sacrificed for the cause?
I sacrificed my freedom, as I have said on this site before. When I looked Ruppert in the eye and shook his hand, I realized he is a zealot. One who goes so far beyond the call of duty he will strike many as scary cause he is so different. I have asked myself a few times: how does he do it?
The anger at his telling the truth about the current political landscape is to me in line with the Matrix movie plot. His views cut deep into the soul, and many simply do not have the nerve to listen.
It is hopeless if we must rely on the normal energies and hopes of the normal folk who have a small attention span and want to move on now. To get over it.
But he is one of those exceptional people who know the bleak prospects. But he holds out hope and presents a strategy hoping against hope.
We will not win with normal every day activity. We must do what seems impossible and it will take the energies of a Ruppert in all of us.
Have you lost your father and mother, your soul mate, your career? And afterwards been branded a sicko by the powerful MSM?
For years in and years out? Over and over again? Pounded to the turf, kicked when you are down, and laughed to scorn when you get up?
But have not quit? This is the man Ruppert is. He is a pure zealot who has love of the american way of freedom and honesty above all.
I first heard Ruppert speaking on public radio in LA, as I drove into LA from Texas, and he was talking about the building collapse of the WTC as not caused by the aircraft impact.
I called several people because I had never heard anyone say that before. Some years later I met him. I still think he is one of us - a dissident.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 2/8/2005 @ 8:41 pm PT...
Thanks again, Dredd.
It may well be that my first comment (#24) about Mike Ruppert was dead-wrong. In fact I hope that it was, because there are not enough of us and we shouldn't be firing at one another. I offer both you and Mike sincere apologies.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/8/2005 @ 10:32 pm PT...
God, you guys are compelling. Winter Patriot and Dredd, please understand that understanding is relative to time, place, physical and emotional conditions. So is "reality."
I'd love to talk with both of you. And I hope your mutual faith in the reality of real truth isn't hopelessly compromised. Because THAT is the faith we, as a species, need.
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/8/2005 @ 11:41 pm PT...
This is a P.S. - and please don't take it amiss.
Absolutely fascinating. How two high-powered guys can obsess about the reliability of a pundit when the truth of the MATTER is staring them in the face. Who cares what someone SAYS, even if you have met him and think him plausible. What do you THINK? What does the evidence suggest? Why the wrangle about what another party says? Is he an eye-witness?
I love you, both of you. But is Ruppert really the crux of reality?
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
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Dredd
said on 2/9/2005 @ 1:40 am PT...
Peg C #35. Either one of us could be wrong. The good news is we have open minds about that.
We are merely expressing how we attained our ideas, and that we are serious about that.
However since we are creatures of experience and limited ability to perceive accurately, one must keep an open mind. Nite.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
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Teresa
said on 2/9/2005 @ 4:01 am PT...
Peg C..#35
You make a lot of sense.
I am aso stunned by your hearing capabilities(#22)
The mink and birdsong. Absolutely fascinating. I would like to know more.
I think we are looking for anyone we can get to help us out of this pickle, and no one seems to be capable. This is not Hero on a White Horse time.
But Dredd brought up an interesting point:
"We will not win with normal every day activity. We must do what seems impossible and it will take the energies of a Ruppert in all of us.
Have you lost your father and mother, your soul mate, your career? And afterwards been branded a sicko by the powerful MSM?
For years in and years out? Over and over again? Pounded to the turf, kicked when you are down, and laughed to scorn when you get up?
But have not quit? This is the man Ruppert is. He is a pure zealot who has love of the american way of freedom and honesty above all."
Maybe there is some collective guilt going on with us having such comfortable lives, and not struggling heroically. Maybe we are looking to connect, as Dredd indicated, with that force in us that has courage and can do the impossible. We associate greatness with suffering and sacrifice, commitment, bravery beyond measure, and getting back up after being kicked all the way down.
How can we always expect others to do this for us?
How far are we willing to go individually for freedom?
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 2/9/2005 @ 9:19 am PT...
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 2/9/2005 @ 9:49 am PT...
re #38 Good one, czaragorn. Well worth a read. Thanks!
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 2/9/2005 @ 10:03 am PT...
Sorry All! That probably seemed OT, but let's remember the original topic, which I feel deserves more than a ho hum. Aside from that, I think we all need a hug and a free thread...
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
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czaragorn
said on 2/9/2005 @ 10:05 am PT...
Sorry All! That probably seemed OT, but let's remember the original topic, which I feel deserves more than a ho hum. Aside from that, I think we all need a hug and a free thread...
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
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Winter Patriot
said on 2/9/2005 @ 10:22 am PT...
re #40 and 41: not at all OT, czaragorn. No need to apologize. (Are you Canadian by any chance?)
here's a hug! and we may get an open thread going later in the day. But for now, feel free to use the Feb 5 'open thread' for anything that seems OT everywhere else ...
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
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Peg C
said on 2/9/2005 @ 10:49 am PT...
Czaragorn - Herewith a comprehensive hug to all. And that article should be read by every legislator in Washington. But it won't be, because they're all too afraid of that label, "socialist." Well, I come from a long line of distinguished "socialists," who cared more for true democracy than for labels. What I'm afraid of is the "anti-socialists."
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cheryl
said on 2/9/2005 @ 1:44 pm PT...
Right on Peg C!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm proud to be a *socialist* although the term being used these days in Canada is social democrat.
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cheryl
said on 2/9/2005 @ 1:44 pm PT...
Right on Peg C!
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'm proud to be a *socialist* although the term being used these days in Canada is social democrat. At least we care about people.
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cheryl
said on 2/9/2005 @ 1:45 pm PT...
Why does it do that? Sheesh!
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cheryl
said on 2/9/2005 @ 1:59 pm PT...
Here's another example of the compassion of GWB.
Out of touch
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Peg C
said on 2/9/2005 @ 2:54 pm PT...
Cheryl - He may be out of touch, but he doesn't mind "touching" that mother and millions like her for taxes and then denying her social safety-net programs whose existence might help her sleep at night.
And I usually say "social democrat," because there is a Socialist Party and I'm not a member. But, just this once, I'm *stopping with the word games already*!
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Dredd
said on 2/9/2005 @ 4:32 pm PT...
The topic is bushit budget. Ruppert has advocated the old fashioned financial boycott as a means or method of getting attention.
He being a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, or whatever buzzword the MSM is currently fondling, has been attacked for some views.
The topic is so broad that it would be difficult to agree, at first blush, between any group or set of individuals. This can be healthy, or not.
This is how the MSM is attacking. And as Peg said in #35 above, the wrangling can be counter productive.
The fact that magazines in the MSM still see the need to attack the concepts with wimpy arguments, is good news.
It means the story is not considered too way out by substantial numbers of folk.
One of the 911 sites has given a heads up about some recent articles. Story here.
It may be time for an email campaign toward that magazine.
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Peg C
said on 2/9/2005 @ 6:58 pm PT...
Dredd -
There are an awful lot of perfectly good babies thrown out with their bathwater, aren't there? Good grief. As if a wild-eyed account of space aliens or something being SEEN crushing the twin towers (I'm making this up, I hope) is enough to discredit all the really sound, scientific information out there. Logic 101, anyone?
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Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 2/10/2005 @ 2:22 am PT...
Don't worry about the cuts in state aid for election reform. Congress passes the budget, not Bush. If anything, this will give the movement a boost, because it will now be O.K. to argue about election fraud without the sore-loser stigma. Democrats on the budget committee can take a high-minded position... "Look, we should be increasing aid for election reform, not cutting it. Here's why...etc."
Eventually, the money part will be compromised. But the dialogue is what matters. The media didn't cover fraud, but they will report budget issues.
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Teresa
said on 2/10/2005 @ 4:00 am PT...
Hillary just sent an e-mail today. She's introducing the election reform legislation.
If they ever want to be in power again they have to get reform through. So at least they are motivated.
I can't see how this budget will pass in any form recognizable to this. I think it's all part of their usual shock and awe fun and games.
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czaragorn
said on 2/10/2005 @ 8:52 am PT...
Hi Winter Patriot! No, much as I'd like to be, I'm not a Canadian, I'm an American expatriate in Prague. NB: I am NOT an expatriot, and I'll be going home soon to put in my two cents' worth in person! If that deoesn't have prissy little * quaking in his endangered species booties, it should. How he manages to strut, swagger, and smirk with his pants on fire is beyone me...
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Winter Patriot
said on 2/10/2005 @ 9:11 am PT...
re #53. Thanks, Czaragorn. I knew that; I was just making a joke about how polite you are. Maybe I should have thrown in a wink to avoid confusion. Oh well. Hang tough in Prague... It can't be winter forever.
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Teresa
said on 2/10/2005 @ 3:49 pm PT...
Wonderful, Czaragorn!!!!
We will celebrate your return, albeit with budget priced goodies after this regime strips us.
I intend to party for years with nothing left to lose.....true freedom!
Oh, and I like that....quaking in his endandered species booties.