More dirt from Florida Elections…This from AP (includes an alleged Democrat wrongdoer as well, so little wonder it makes it to the wires):
Ezzie Thomas, who has been granted immunity, told prosecutors that he was paid numerous times since 1998 to gather absentee ballots, most recently by Orlando Mayor Buddy Dyer’s campaign last year, his attorney said Friday. (ed. Note: Dyer’s a Democrat)
Thomas told prosecutors four months ago that he was hired to do similar work for U.S. Sen. Mel Martinez (ed. Note: Republican) when he ran for Orange County chairman in 1998, Florida Secretary of State Glenda Hood’s (ed. Note: Republican) 2000 campaign for Orlando mayor, and two other minor campaigns.
How filthy is the “Sunshine State”, anyway?! Doesn’t anybody down there just run for office and when/if more voters vote for them than the other guy/gal they can be the winner?
Or is my naiveté showing again?
And of course…we wonder if Mr. Thomas may have also worked with any other less-than-forthright, less-than-upstanding Republican Florida Politicians who we’ve been keeping our eye on of late…
Hello, Brad –
You’re not naive, just punch-drunk, or shell-shocked, or suffering from post-traumatic stress – as are we all. Somethin’s gotta give. Once the neo-goons get their blood-smeared hands on the Constitution, America might just as well call it quits and slide quietly into another dimension.
When the shocking fails to shock, or at least induces only bleary shock-weariness, it’s time to start worrying. So hold on to your "naivete" for all you’re worth!
PROSECUTORS? does this mean someone is actually investigating these bums? or did he just come forward out of the goodness of his heart. hopefully this small stuff will begin to unwind the larger ball of twine- no, i’m not shocked either.
CONGRATULATIONS michael moore!
Hi, Joan – Appreciate your comment re Kerry/Oregon. I haven’t been ignoring you – just been away for the day. I too, along with just about everyone, am disappointed with the defeaning silence. But, we don’t know why.
While America’s people are stumbling around somewhat shell-shocked over the turn of events of the past four years, I’m guessing that our Senators are in the same state. We like to think they are stronger and smarter than everyone else – but they’re not. Republicans run around shouting "kill everyone" and waving their guns believing they are stronger and smarter than everyone else – they’re not. We are all the same – we are all somewhat afraid – at least I am – of a dirty bomb, or something. I’ve never experienced war and I don’t want to.
But back to the revote, Kerry and Bush were on the ballot, and the question is who got the most votes. We will never know because there has been too much tinkering with the machines and voting records before, during and after Nov. 2. I think a revote, even unofficial, in those areas reporting problems in Ohio could help bring about some sort of resolution.
Enjoy listening to you folks.
How filthy is the Sunshine State? That’s easy! LOL Why do you think Hurricanes keep hitting Florida? Nature…trying to cleanse their souls! LOL Keep digging, but bring your tractor! LOL
Those snappin’ goddam alligators are gonna get’em!
Swamp-dwelling Mothers!
BRAD ASKS: "How filthy is the "Sunshine State", anyway?! Doesn’t anybody down there just run for office and when/if more voters vote for them than the other guy/gal they can be the winner?"………..
The answer is "No".
This is off-thread, but I can’t help it. I’m not sure where this comment belongs, so I’m inserting it in the latest.
Look, WHY doesn’t anyone come out and say it directly: that W deliberately enabled 9/11? We all know of the negligence of the security community throughout the months leading up to the attacks. We all know of the connections between Bushco and bin Laden and his bankers. And many of us must have exclaimed as I did on Sept.12, "This is the best thing that ever happened for Bushie-baby!" (Interpretation: he’s a fool and a charlatan anyone could spot a amile away; but give him a megaphone and a mega-crisis and he just might pull off his fraud.)
Does anyone doubt that the Bush thanks "God," every night, for bin Laden’s big favor?
I’m not going to speculate on why Kerry went to the Middle East just when he did. But I have ideas and secret hopes. Let’s please be circumspect and patient. I know it’s hard, when the world is crumbling around our ears. But these are HARD TIMES.
Off-topic response as well. I’ll say it Peg. 9/11 was likely planned and executed by our government.
It is said that Bush signed the orders. It is said that the operation was rehearsed on several occasions with orders for NORAD to stand down. Indeed it is proven fact that NORAD stood down on 9/11 because they testified that they did, saying that they were told it was another drill. Several people know everything according to investigations. Many more know only their roles. The claims are stood up by several glaring facts the White House can not dispute. So they won’t. They are above the law.
I can’t believe it, Peg C!! I was just going to post this and didn’t know where. We are on the exact same wavelength.
First, I did post today somewhere, here (it gets confusing), about Bush doing 911. It’s sooooooo clear.
We’re going to need Kerry. He is going to lead a resistance movement within the government, if Bush lasts that long. He knows the game well, and he is extremely well-connected.
The Bush Crime Family and Kerry’s family are part of the same international banking group, but the Bush’s are new-comers, and lack the breeding.
There is way more to this Middle East trip than meets the eye.
I think there is dissent among the ruling elite. The billionaires support of Kerry indicates this. I think Kerry is going to be used against the Neocons, and thus, the meeting with the Middle Eastern kings.
The biggest danger to these people lies from within. I think we are going to see some really serious double-crossing going on. The plot thickens.
Peg C, I’ll dig up some links supporting the 9/11 conspiracy soon as I can. You should decide for yourself as no one seems to have all the facts. And there are several theories as to what happened.
Night all.
Forgive me for offering several comments. One, to Peggy (#4), a quote from Trotsky: "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you." Two, the only two states that in 2004 showed a huge percentage jump in Dems over Reps were Oregon and Vermont. Oregon is entirely vote by mail (i.e. hand-recountable), and Vermont is almost entirely HAND-counted. This should tell you that the whole country went far stronger for Kerry over Bush than for Gore against Bush. It wasn’t an election; it was a coup d’detat. Three, I’d recommend that some of you, like freebird and winterpatriot, be more careful what you say. They (the NSA?) are listening, and cataloguing names on this site and all other dangerous sites. During Y2K I foolishly mentioned ***** (that guy who sent wooden boxes that *xploded) by name, and began to receive very curious leading e-mails from someone who I’m sure was gov’t. Yes, I am paranoid. But listen, they have a whole list of words that trip alarms–and you are using them–as did I, back then. I assure you that you’re already on lists. Someday those lists may be used. Lastly, attnyjim is likely not just a troll; he is probably employed to do this kind of thing. Ignore him means IGNORE HIM. I have one more comment, but will transmit on another post.
But, Stan, so many people are getting it now. Will they even have the man-power to track all the ones in the know? They may be up against a tidal wave.
I wish I could believe Kerry went to Iraq for some worthwhile purpose. But I think we’re all naive if we expect mainstream Democrats to save us from Bush. It’s our friends we have to be careful about, not our enemies.
Bill Clinton went on CNN with Poppy Bush, and in answer to the question, "Should we cancel the inaugural balls and give the money to tsunami victims?" Clinton said, "President Bush won FAIR AND SQUARE. He can have whatever celebration he wants."
Hello? Would he dare tell an African American in Cleveland who was disenfranchised, face to face, that Bush won fair and square? Where has he been for the last four years…shacked up with a new bimbo?
What is fair and square in this day and age, anyway? Whatever works, basically…in politics and war, in the corporate world, on Wall Street. If we pull out of Iraq, it won’t be because the war was morally bankrupt all along, rather the fact that it didn’t work to our advantage.
Hillary is no better than Bill. She makes a speech about voting rights, then fails to support Barbara Boxer at crunch time. To repeat…it’s not our enemies we have to worry about, it’s our friends.
What’s even worse….. Hillary Clinton endorsed Bernard Kerick for Homeland Security.
I have to agree with Robert; at this point it seems very hard to swallow that the democrats who left Boxer twisting in the wind are all just being careful, as if they are going to one day show up with handcuffs, indictments & a smoking gun, saying "we were just being cagey & crafty while we gathered the evidence!" Money & power make the world go round, no matter how dearly I wish it were love.
In my youth I read alot of whodunits, & it was said that usually the simplest explanation turns out to be true. We are going through contortions trying to explain the dems’ silence, when it may very well be corruption, plain & simple. Who was it who was offered a bribe & then threatened recently that if he did not tow the line his son’s bid for office would be crushed? Tip of the iceberg, & I think it is a very large, very old iceberg. These items are reported, cause a small stirring of minor "outrage", & then sink quietly into oblivion.
No, I think if it looks spineless, smells spineless, & sounds spineless, it’s a pretty good bet the beast is spineless.
Just yesterday a Republican on the Ethics Committee spoke about how he was not happy about many of the proposed rule-twistings, he advised against them, "we shouldn’t do this, fellas"…but he wouldn’t vote against them; just as every single Senator who got up to speak about how we should look into our voting process–Hillary, Kennedy, Obama, AND Boxer–evaded the real issue, the other, far darker f-word: fraud, & instead waxed eloquent about long lines & rain.
So Peggy~
While I would absolutely be in favor of a revote–hell, I think the entire country should revote, AFTER the aforesaid handcuffs & indictments, please!– and with deep respect for you & your ideas, it would take one hell of a goddamn spectacular revelation to revive my faith in Kerry!
Kerry doesn’t run with the pack.
I keep harping on the exit poll data that showed an easy Kerry victory.
Those convincing probabilities aside, the low public ratings on Bush (46-48%), and the big win for Fareinheit 911 to me are obviously in tune with and supportive of the exit polls.
And we show fairness by saying we do not care what party cheats, they must be stopped.
The big story of election fraud still points toward some witin the GOP.
Stan #12 – I do hope they are listening, and I hope they are afraid of being caught. Teresa #13 – I hope there’s a huge tsunami of anger out there against the Bushites. It’s the doorway to change. Boxer is a heroine. If the other Senators are spineless, it’s because they’ve all been wining and dining on the Hill too long, discussing legislation they don’t even read, and don’t have a clue what’s going on in mainstreet America, which has nothing to do with their world (except at election time). Maybe Progressives should turn to Nader???
The leadership in congress (GOP) has now come up with a plan that will get rid of all these voting problems.
Maybe Dems. should write to their Senators advising that if they do not get the Bushites out of the White House NOW (YESTERDAY even), they will not get your vote in 2006, 2008 or ever! And the fact that they are do not have a majority is an unacceptable excuse.
That is, of course, if all of us are still around in 2006 and 2008. Because, I’m sure those sitting in China, Russia and elsewhere are watching America’s little pre-emptive war with absolute disgust, and if the Bushites go too far, they may decided America needs one damn good thumping. Now if they thump the Bushites, that’s okay. But probably it’s going to be the little guys that get killed, as usual.
My children, who were much more activist than I in the time leading up to the war, tried to convince me that our government orchestrated 9/11. I resisted that conclusion, it being hard for me, in my naivete, to believe that our elected officials could be so deeply, terribly evil. It is still gut-wrenching that such a horror may be true, but it seems inescapable now. There is certainly disturbing evidence out there pointing to it, lord help us.
Peggy & Teresa~
I may be wrong about Kerry; I hope I am. After so many illusions dashed, however, I am wary & suspicious. Where there’s smoke there may not be fire, but there sure is alot of smoke.
It feels like we are in the middle of the TV series, the X-Files, and the American government has been taken over by aliens disguised as human beings, and…
Anti-Open voting activities are picking up according to Black Box Voting.
The fascists are trying to get the phony machines in more places for more purposes.
Hi, Dredd – Well, if this nonsense cannot be stopped, then I hope there are other hackers who on the next voting day, can arrange for the most votes to go to Mickey Mouse and Tweety Bird, or the final counts to show up as all zeros, or burn out all the circuit boards, or something utterly ridiculous to trash the election and prove to people the machines are not secure.
DREED- if the constitution says "congress shall make no law… abridging freedom of speech or of press…. how did senator robert smith (R, n.h.) get SA2933 ( the exit poll amendment prohibits networks fr. broadcasting, before the polls close, the FACT that the exit polling indicates a particular person has won) to pass? mabe we wernt paying attention at the time. update to my previous post – Ramallah, Abbas, won the presidential election and is saying he has a "MANDATE" sound familar?
sorry- thats familiar- and another queation to SA2933, WHY?
No matter is done about voting reform: the current left wing Democrats have always and will always whine & cry about fraud when they lose.
If we had paper numbered sequential ballots being printed along with touch screen voting in 100% of the locations, the conspiracy theorists would still complain that the system is being hacked and dream up more far fetched scenarios without an iota of evidence.
Sad but true: the Democrats have been hijacked by the far FAR left wing wacko crowd and have lost all credibility with main stream America.
The Democrat party, looking at these losses, draws the correct conclusion that they must move more to the center, even contemplating rethinking abortion and gay marriage.
But the whining screaming left wing of the party will have none of that so they falsely time & again blames fraud for their losses. You will NOT get away with crying wolf much longer. Mainstream America is laughing at your antics!
Peggy: that is EXACTLY what you have to do!
Tell the Democrats that you will not ever vote for them again if they do not do 100% what the far left conspiracy theorists want. Then maybe the Democrat party can come back to the right where they left all us JFK Democrats years ago.
Another point: Anybodies kids that truly believe our Government had anything to do with 911 should go and get a drug test.
Hi all! First of all, I love you all a ton! Keep it up, please! Now, with respect to 9/11, I fully agree about the main beneficiaries and therefore the main suspects in this country. But I must confess to the non-PC fact that my immediate suspicions fell on the Mossad. Perhaps the conspiracy was even vaster than we’ve thought…
Florida politics can’t get any dirtier! From top to bottom (from precinct level to the governor’s mansion), Florida hits paydirt with more scandals involving outright corruption, backroom deals, bribery, murder for hire, embezzlement, incompetence, vote rigging, and sundry other schemes, than any other state in which I’ve lived (18 and counting).
If you are a Florida voter, you don’t expect your vote to count, e.g., elections of 2000, 2002, and 2004; Miriam Oliphant, Teresa LePore, Jeb Bush, Mel Martinez, et al., make voting a crapshoot. Now all of this B.S. doesn’t get more bad press than it does is one of the seven wonders of the world.
The admin also had an "alleged" homosexual reporter working in Florida and elsewhere paid to report the way the admin wanted the stories to go.
What is the admin going to do next, appoint a transvestite to fight for a constitutional amendment against gay rights?
Of course the neo-con religionists would protest as would their muslim counterparts.
Note that the majority of muslims and baptists are not wackos.
#28, #29 – Sorry, your messages are not getting through. Who are you? Where are you from?
Sorry to say, I am a Florida voter, We discovered that at least five contiguous counties in NorthCentral Florida turned in votes exceeding the number of registered voters. How convenient for Bush supporters to have given birth to so many 18 year old babies this year.
By the way, message to Mr. Coyouhoga county which DNE, suggest you visit winterpatriot.blogspot.com if you are interested in reading about who slammed the Vietnam Vets when they returned home.
Stan, #12
No problem Stan! They have my file and more. I have fought corrupt politicians, organized crime, and corporate sleaze for years! I’m not afraid of them and have already decided to fight the good fight, regardless of personal loss of life or liberty.
My writings and teachings will be finished fairly soon, six books will be published simultaneously just for the reasons you mention. After that, they can do what they want because I’ll have already started the fire! But thanks for the warning, it is well taken and others less exposed should heed your advice. I am very nomadic, so puff the magic dragon, and I am gone! 🙂
Be strong people! Read, organize, network, and stand at the ready mark!
Freebird
Omerta breaks!
The King County Elections staff are starting to break "omerta" and talk about some of the monkey business that’s going on in their deparment. In the extended entry is an anonymous e-mail from someone claiming to be a King County elections worker that was sent to the Rossi campaign on the morning of Nov. 17 [it was later that day when the first count was completed]. Some of the hints in here have been confirmed by later events. Notice in particular the questions about the sending of military ballots and the tie-in to today’s Seattle Times article and the mysterious update to the King County "fact sheet". I just obtained this e-mail today. You would be correct to be skeptical of any such bombshell revelations from an anonymous source passed along by a political campaign. All I can say is that I’m getting a number of e-mails and blog comments from different people who are longtime observers of the KC elections department. Some of these tipsters are anonymous. Others give their names and provide corroborating details with each other, with the anonymous ones and with independent sources. I’d be surprised, frankly, if every single detail in all of these tips will ultimately be proven true. But I’m willing to wager that some of what’s alleged here will be proven true. Enough that not only will the election be set aside, but that some major figures in King County government will be taken out.
http://www.soundpolitics.com/
Ray Beckerman is a New York attorney who volunteered, came here and monitored voting activities in Ohio on Election Day. This is what he has to say today~~~
January 10, 2005
The future of this blog
As you all know by now, the battle for American democracy was lost on January 6th. Despite a mountain of irrefutable evidence of intentional ‘irregularity’, the votes of the pretending Ohio electors were accepted that day by the Congress of the United States, thus completing the coup d’etat that had been started by 5 members of the United States Supreme Court in 2000.
Only 1 Senator, and only 31 Members of the House of Representatives, honored their oath of office to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
What I have decided to do at this point in time is continue the blog insofar as it relates to the Ohio election fraud of 2004, which for me means marshalling and collecting evidence, and reporting things relating to evidence, investigation, litigation, and prosecution of the Ohio election abuses.
If the guilty are brought to justice, it will indicate that democracy still smolders in our legal system.
If they are not, it will indicate that democracy in America remains alive only in the hearts of its people.
-R.B.
Posted by Ray Beckerman @ 10:56 AM
What follows at Mr. Beckerman’s blog is this~~~
"Evidence of Fraud and Disenfranchisement in Ohio, 2004 : A Partial List"
Take a look.
http://fairnessbybeckerman.blog...26258199324878
As a King County voter, I can tell you that there was nothing to this vote. Both Republican and Democrat observers approved of the handling. Now that Rossi lost, they are crying foul. (Where was Rossi’s demand for a revote when he was leading??? No, instead he went on all of the airwaves and newspapers and demanded that Gregoire concede.)
I say let Gregoire win. The Republicans in the federal government have a perfect trifecta. With a Gregoire win, Democrats will have a perfect STATE trifecta. That should counter out the ultraconservatives in Congress and the White House. But only for we Washingtonians. Sorry guys.
MrBlueSky
atty jimmo said: "But I’m willing to wager that some of what’s alleged here will be proven true. Enough that not only will the election be set aside, but that some major figures in King County government will be taken out."
EXCELLENT, Jimmo! we agree on something!
tinkering, tampering, incompetence, outright fraud — ALL ARE UNACCEPTABLE, regardless of who benefits, and ALL should be investigated!
it boggles the mind that we have no constitutional right to vote and we have no right to know that our elections are free, fair, transparent, accurate, and honest! seriously, jimmo, do you really think that the 2004 election is the best we can do?
the entire election system, at all levels, is unsecure and an insane patchwork of contradictory rules and regs. all Americans should join together on election reform, because we’re all in this together, it AFFECTS all of us, and reform would BENEFIT all of us, regardless of party affiliation, gender, race, ethnicity, creed, or economic status.
now that you see that we actually agree — that the 2004 election was flawed — i hope you will join me in demanding that Congress examine and overhaul our voting processes immediatly, so that NONE of us need fear for the sanctity of the vote ever again.
All for one and one for all, jimmo. i want election reform so that even *your* vote counts.
The poster of comment #37 should know that this site uses affidavits and other official documentation to support charges.
Anonymous email and other garbage is not the stuff good reporting is made of.
To critique with garbage is to produce garbage.
There is an interesting article about the government benefitting a corporation involving a Bush in at least Florida.
Neil Bush, the president’s brother develops software. Hmmm … gives new meaning to "no child left behind".
Yes,
And Neil Bush is also doing consulting work for China! Put 2 and 2 together! 🙂 NEE…Chinese software…Chinese spies…HMMM?
Here is an e-mail I sent to my legislator in regards to the Dino Rossi/Christine Gregoire election. It was sent today because the GOP minority in the House will try to delay certification of the election.
To: Rep. Rodney Tom, R-Bellevue
Dear Rep. Tom:
I am quite tired of hearing about this election. The hypocrisy of the Rossi campaign is overwhelming! It is giving the GOP a black eye. When he was in the lead by 261 votes and again by only 42 votes, he announced that the voters have spoken. And he demanded that Christine Gregoire concede.
Now that he lost the governor’s race, he complains of election fraud and demands a revote. Where were his objections when he was winning?
Please help to end this nightmare. Dino Rossi and Chris Vance are hurting our beloved Republican Party. I fear that if a new election is undertaken, Republicans will be in the minority for decades to come both in Olympia and Washington DC.
If Dino does the right thing and concedes now, then the Democrats will be viewed as "sore winners" and the GOP can take control in 2006… and Dino will be in an excellent position to take over as Washington’s Junior Senator in DC.
The choice is yours, Rep. Tom. Either "live to fight another day" successfully and put the Democrats in a bad position, or continue this nightmare and destroy all credibility of the party.
Please reject the objections of your caucus in the House today.
Suggestion—————-
The Clint Curtis story needs support in the mainline press … Brad needs your help.
With the Electoral Vote Rebellion in the news thoughts of vote fraud are on the minds of all mainline newspaper editors. That now makes "Vote Fraud" an acceptable mainline newspaper story. Suggestion … all Bradblog readers should contact newspapers in major markets such as Chicago, LA, NY, Dallas etc. and demand the Clint Curtis story be covered and "investigated".
All Bradblog posters should access the "Progressive Democrats of America" web site. The "PDA" site offers direct research and email links to all Congressmen, Committees etc. plus it offers the same with all "newspapers, TV, radio and new services". When in the PDA site click on "Action Alerts" …then plug in the zip code you want under "Guide To The Media" then click on it….. up pops a complete list of local media with parent companies also listed. Then just click on one of the companies… up pop’s all management names, addresses, phone numbers and blue linked "email address’s"…. then click on the email address and a message box pop’s up with their managements name & email address in it . … then all you do is, at the bottom, fill in "your" name address information once and save it and post your message. Then cut and paste the same message while sending it to different people over and over and over … you can send out 50 or 75 messages an hour to different people with the use of the Microsoft BACK button and cut&paste. You know the drill … a truly wonderful site.
With a list of zip codes from the Internet you can cover every major media market in the US.
However, I’m not computer savvy enough to make direct links work on this site. Sooooooo….if one of you wonderful people could please cut and paste this message with the PDA web site link intact … it would be appreciated. Also, please cut & paste it to the Velvet Rev site ASAP.
Time is right to send messages about "Clint Curtis, YEI & Feeney " … it needs to be investigated.
The mainline press might bite!
G
Oh comoon guys, its just a detail! You Americans are just so afraid of everything around you! If you would not be some f*** arrogant, the world would be a better place. If you f*** up people they will f** back..
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