Think I just figured out why Republicans are scared to death!!! of “illegal aliens”. Republicans read the Drudge Report. And where ever Drudge says “aliens”, they see “ZOMBIES!” instead.
See this section from Drudge’s homepage last night for instance…
Scary, eh? Lock your doors! They’re coming for you next!
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Drudge is an ignorance generator in our society. They proliferated with the help/money of Oil-Qaeda.
Uhhhhhh, we are not afraid of illegals, we are afraid of what they cost us. Migrant workers come and go on work visas, all good, system works.
Believe it or not, food stamps, welfare, Medicaid costs are making this country go broke, let’s just push another 30 million on these programs… Brilliant!
The states burdened with this will tell you what this is costing them, we have laws, try being an illegal in Mexico rere…
Somebody explain to me how “undocumented workers” have a RIGHT to just walk across the border and make there home here in this country. The only one I’ve heard the one about the racist bigotted white man did that to the native Indians. So screw it open the gates to everyone (that is only if you are from Mexico).
Greg @ 2 foolishly said:
Uhhh…then I’ve got great news for ya! I’m afraid you don’t know what you’re talking about. Immigration reform, like immigrants, are good for the economy. Always have been. But, don’t believe me. Believe the (so-called) “Bipartisan Policy Center” at the Rightwing U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which reports that immigration reform “would bolster the country’s economic growth by 4.8 percent” and “reduce the country’s deficits by $1.2 trillion”.
If you didn’t know that, friend, it’s because you’ve been conned…by people who are either afraid of immigrants or hate them (the brownish ones, anyway…haven’t noticed a big movement to build a wall across the Canadian border.)
Uhhh…those programs are not “making this country go broke” in any way, shape or form. The notion is absurd. Most of those programs help the economy (for example, every $1 in foodstamps generates $1.73 in the economy). Adding 30 million tax-paying citizens to this country, the vast majority of whom would pay far more in taxes than they take out, helps all of the programs you just mentioned.
You really need to get your “education” from somewhere other than Fox “News” or wingnut talk radio. But, you found us. So I hope that helps.
Sorry Brad, I’m not buying it… You are obviously a sheep being led to the pasture. What’s next, debt is great for our country? 20-30 trillion will grow our economy? Oh that’s right, unemployment grows the economy too, I think the famous economist pelosi once said that. If welfare programs are so great for the economy we should really see some great growth here any day!
FYI… The US Chamber of Commerce is not right winged rocket. Just this week an insider leaked unemployment numbers were “modified” prior to the election…
Hmmmm…. Those right wingers, trying so hard to help Barry get reelected!
I’m Hispanic myself, and I’m not “afraid” of illegal aliens, I simply want them removed from the country as often as practicable. But don’t take just my own opinion on it.
My father immigrated from Latin America completely legally, and eventually became a naturalized US citizen, and this was back in the 1950s when it was infinitely more difficult to do so. He came from one of the most impoverished countries in the Spanish-speaking world (and a country he had to actually travel hundreds of miles from to reach the US, not just hop a fence), barely speaking a word of English. He ultimately not just learned the language and made himself useful, but ended up graduating from Georgetown U with a PhD, and become an instructor at the Pentagon. And he has absolutely no respect or appreciation for individuals who not just flout the law, but who expect the same treatment as he has EARNED, through following the law and decades of hard work. He resents that thanks to the actions of illegals, he is often lumped in the same boat as they, simply because of complexion, his last name, and his accent.
Though I don’t have the accent, I’m Hispanic myself. Furthermore, after having served in the military and as a police officer myself, not only do I share my father’s opinion, I have the added perspective of having enforced the law. Instinctively I have zero respect for those who break the law, whether it be civil or criminal. I could go on and on mentioning the illegals I have arrested after either they committed crimes (often having already been ejected from the country due to having committed similar crimes previously), or because they needed my help because were the victims of crimes they were ill prepared to defend themselves against, due to being culturally or linguistically clueless about the American culture they chose to inhabit (unlike my father). But that’s beside the point. Every single time I have lived abroad (which has been about half my life), I painstakingly followed the law of the countries I lived in. For example, I could go on at length about my experiences at the Arbeitsamt in Duesseldorf, filling out paperwork, getting insurance, not to mention finding gainful employment, so that I could be compliant with German law while living and working in their country. Why should it be different for anyone coming to my own country? Do we have less respect for the law than the Germans?
In short, next time you want a valid opinion on illegal aliens from latin america in the US, don’t ask a Caucasian Liberal or Conservative for that matter, whose family have resided in the US for generations. Ask one of us who actually FOLLOWED the law and became citizens the right way, or the sons and daughters of those who did.
Greg @ 5 and 6, said foolishly:
No prob, cause I’m not selling it. I am, however, trying to help educate you about how you’ve either been terribly conned or are not terribly bright. You’ll have to decide which is the case.
Actually, much like starting a business (when one borrows a lot of money to start it up), debt is, indeed, often a “great” for our country. It was the debt we were willing to take on under Presidents like Obama and George W. Bush that helped us recover from a recession (in Bush’s case) and entirely staved off a great depression by reversing the global economy disaster left by Bush (in Obama’s case). If you need help reading economic facts, data, charts and reports on that, let me know. But, yes, that’s how you help put people back to work and recover your economic and revenue base.
If you mean payments under unemployment insurance, then, yes, that’s right. But, again, you’re obviously not educated in matters of the economy. If you can find an economist — anywhere, of any party — who says otherwise, please feel free to share it with me.
Right. And we have. You really need to find some legitimate news sources to follow, amigo.
Oy. You really are conned or stupid, eh?
Some help for you: The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is not a government agency. It is a private lobbying organization. The largest in the world. It is the top spender of campaign funding, 94% of which is spent on Republican candidates.
You are, apparently, confusing them with either the U.S. Census Bureau of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, which were named in a hoax “scandal” this week by Rupert Murdoch’s NYPost. If you’ve managed to read this far, I’ll further help you out by letting you know that the U.S. Census employee who claimed he had faked some interviews (which, according to the NYPost’s silly story, resulted in a jump in the BLS employment numbers just before the 2012 election) has already been revealed as bullshit. The most important part of the story that helps to debunk it: The employee of the the Census Bureau who says he faked interviews which helped turn around employment statistics in 2012 hadn’t worked for the Census Bureau since 2010.
Either way, neither of those actual federal agencies have anything to do with the extremist Rightwing hoodlums otherwise known as the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.
Uhhh…yeah. The U.S. Chamber spent $35m in the 2012 election, 94% on behalf of Republicans, and were one of the top (if not the top) financial supporter of the Romney campaign.
You’re welcome.
David Vazquez @ 7:
Thanks for your thoughts here. They are much appreciated. One in return for ya…
Have a great weekend, amigo!
Ok, glad to know record spending, debt, food stamps, unemployment, disability, bankrupt Medicare, Medicaid, SSI are all great for the country. Thanks, I feel better…
As far as W, you lobs always seem to forget the “making homes affordable” and community reinvestment act were all Dem programs.
The terribly (but happily, apparently) disinformed Greg kept digging @ 10 with:
Wow. You really enjoy being conned, don’t you? I keep trying to help you, but apparently you don’t want to be helped. You prefer playing the stooge. No, Medicare, Medicaid and SSI are not bankrupt by a long shot, even though the scoundrels you apparently listen to enjoy fooling you into believing that.
So, since apparently you don’t have access to Google over there, here is my (hopefully) last attempt to help you. Colorful charts! And I’ve chosen ones that are easy enough for even someone like you to understand! Good luck! At least give them a look before you put your head back into the sand, your ass, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s whore house or the Fox “News” house of suckers. Where ever you prefer to stick it…
Hope you can make sense of those. Or, you can continue happily along in Pretend World! The corporatists playing you for a sucker (and laughing at you) would much appreciate it, if so!
“Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”
Yes, and nowhere does it say “give me your lawbreakers, give me those who have no respect for the law of the United States”. The immigrants who entered Ellis Island, passing the Statue of Liberty, entered LEGALLY. Conveniently forgot that? You keep forgetting that respect for the law is one of the pillars of being a good American.
And if that’s the extent of your response to my post, you have definitely lost the debate.
“Have a great weekend, amigo! ”
“Amigo”, eh? The racism rears its ugly head, as usual. To be honest, it comes as no surprise, because I never experience more racism than from white Liberals. Thanks for cementing the trend.
Greg,
Don’t bother. The people who try to tout the wonders and virtues of food stamps and “disability” payments don’t actually KNOW anyone who makes use of these.
As a police officer, I spent most of my time in what are known as “projects”, or “Section 8” housing, etc. Upon almost every interaction with the residents, who for the most part are perfectly healthy, they stated they were not employed, and on “Disability”. Upon asking them, out of curiosity, what their “disability” actually is (meaning what their physical problem is), the response was invariably “well, uh, I’m just on Disability”… then I noticed they had flat screen TV’s on the wall, gold “fronts” on the teeth, and Escalades in front, etc– much more than I could afford on a policeman’s hourly wage. Furthermore, so many of the city’s criminals and drug dealers live in these places or use them as bases… I could go on and on. And I could talk at length about “EBT” cards and their misuse…
Like I said, those who tout Disability, food stamps, etc, never actually spend any time in the areas where the majority of these people reside. I would be glad to give these “believers” a tour of these areas, so they can see just how wonderful the effects of these programs are on the city and neighborhoods… and then I’d probably stop the car and leave them there, so they can experience, firsthand, what it means to have to make a speedy egress……
Those charts are FAKE!
Substitute “aliens” with “Tea Party members” in those headlines and you can only imagine the reaction of Mainstream Media!
David Vazquez @13,
Brad has been using the word “amigo” here for years before you showed up. Didn’t know you owned the word. You sure are sensitive for a guy who seems to favor taking food stamps away from hungry children.
I’m sick of that poor-people-driving-cadillacs bullshit as an excuse for heaping more cruelty onto the most needy.
Greg @14 wrote:
Really? Got any evidence to support that claim?
If you will note, the charts themselves contain supporting links and references to sources, such as Forbes, the Congressional Budget Office, the Office of Management and Budget, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
The problem with wing nuts, like David Vasquez and Greg, is that they’ve been taken in by right wing propaganda for so long that they simply dismiss the truth because it does not square with their distorted picture of reality.