As Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11, I find it strange to see the number of dead US soldiers in Iraq compared with the number of 9/11 victims. Does anyone know the number of dead Iraqi civilians? Is there anywhere a daily tally for them (not that BradBlog is responsible for keeping track)? The current Iraq war was started on a false premise by people who lack imagination - who have never had tanks rumbling down their streets or fallen asleep to gunfire or lost relatives in random car bomb attacks. Iraqi civilians are as much the victims of this mistake as US soliders. For every dead Iraqi civilian, there are countless relatives and friends in mourning, and more "enemies of America", to be sure. The current chaos in the country makes normal daily activities like going to school, shopping for food, etc., life-threatening. On the US side, in addition to the soliders who have died, there are many thousands injured, many thousands whose psyches are damaged from having to kill people and see people killed on a daily basis for many months. Unfortunately we cannot uninvade Iraq - cannot undo this tragic mistake. It is a greater tragedy than 9/11 and the consequences will haunt the world for many years to come.

marain:

"The current Iraq war was started on a false premise by people who lack imagination - who have never had tanks rumbling down their streets or fallen asleep to gunfire..."

When I was very young, the sound of distant trains used to keep me awake and give me eerie, nightmarish dreams. Hard to imagine what kinds of images are conjured up in the minds of the Iraqi people and children as they lie in that dream state and having seen with their own eyes the horror those sounds can bring, not to mention our own soldiers.

Damn this war, and condemn forever the warmongers who sold it to us!

Amen Larry Bergan! In October, I talked to a local business owner about Iraq a bit, as Rush Limbaugh played in the background. He could not comprehend for a second merely living without electricity, running water, and a working sewer system. In my lifetime nature has knocked out electricity many times. Sometimes it was in the dead of a frozen winter and sometimes in the dead of 90s summer heat. 100% total disruption of normal routine and the instant implementation of an alternate lifestyle. I cannot imagine the addition of the terror of war added to the mix, especially a civil war while still under occupation by a foreign power.
Love America or leave it the dittoheads say and I say send dittoheads to Iraq for one week of living outside the Green Zone. Damn this war and the blindness of its supporters.
Thanks to Brad and all his supporters. 6 or 7 indeed! It shall be a light to you in the darkness, when all other lights fail is a line from The Lord of The Ring. Hope is the light in the darkness that light shall come to those blinded. Brad has been a bearer of light for many.
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The latest estimates of Iraqi civilian casualties are posted at:

Iraq Body Count

Minimum: 51814
Maximum: 57368

Let's see, Marain, about 3,000 Iraqis are dying each month now, a figure that is and has been on the rise. We've been over there thrashing around for about 40 months, so let's say it started at 0 deaths a week and is now 3,000, so that's already about 60,000. Then we have to add in some gruesome number who got "shock and awed" into the next world in the original mad, raw violence applied heroically by remote control, and the countless who have gotten "mopped up" since major combat operations were declared over. Johns Hopkins put the number at around 650,000 dead Iraqis, and surely there must be lots of maimed Iraqis who managed to survive somehow. So we have a alow estimate of 51,814 and a top estimate of 650,000 dead, over a million total casualties. I'd say duhbaya has killed about enough people, and it's now time to remove him from office and send him to The Hague.

czaragorn said
...I'd say duhbaya has killed about enough people, and it's now time to remove him from office and send him to The Hague.

I could not agree with you more!

Iraq body count: 655,000

http://www.guardian.co.u...Story/0,,1892888,00.html

The fact that these two items have nothing to do with eachother is part of a sneaky attempt to convince the public that you're in Iraq with cause.

It's irresponsible journalism, and the author should be ashamed.

-Dane

Dane, perhpas i am misreading you, but i think you misunderstand this post. it is not shameful to point out the tragic tally resulting from Bushco's conflation of Iraq and 9/11.

perhaps this shocking milestone will jolt the dead-ender Bush supporters to WAKE UP and do something to stop this madness.

because the war in Iraq was sold by Bushco as revenge for 9/11, one can only hope that the Iraqi people do not subscribe to the same evil doctrine of "an eye for an eye" when they contemplate payback for their dead, for the dismantling and mutilaion of their country.

Iraq and 9/11 are related --- by lies. it is not irresponsible to ask those who supported invasion whether they think it was worth it now that we have lost so many more Americans, or how many more of the folks serving and alive in the military today must die before they figure it out.

The children of Laos still run across Nixonian mines when they play. And they still loose legs, arms, hands, feet, and even their life.

Decades later. Wonder what Nixon told Saint Peter?

Decades from now children will be suffering and dying from depleted uranium ("DU") which now covers the shock and awe landscape of Iraq ... as preznit blush argues that we handle nukes so well that we should decide who can have it and who cannot.

Hundreds of thousands of innocent folk killed because they "wanted freedom real bad" ... neoCon con jobbers proclaim over the moans and groans of a dying Iraq.

Will preznit blush tell Saint Peter "You are doin a heckuva job" or that he is now the decider?

Maybe the point is this:

Bush has now gotten more Americans killed in a War of Lies (and counting), than those killed on 9/11...

Maybe the question is: What's worse, Bush or 9/11???

We didn't HAVE TO attack Iraq, it was optional.

If we DID NOT attack Iraq, there would be 3,000 more Americans alive (soldiers), 30,000 less maimed Americans, and 655,000 more Iraqi civilians alive.

So, there'd be about a million more people alive...and about a trillion more tax money for American education, medical, etc...

That trillion dollars includes whatever the hell Cherthoff is doing with the biggest channelling of tax money in history for "Homeland Security", which doesn't include "homeland security"...

des said on 12/26/2006 @ 8:11 pm PT...

...it is not shameful to point out the tragic tally resulting from Bushco's conflation of Iraq and 9/11... ...perhaps this shocking milestone will jolt the dead-ender Bush supporters to WAKE UP and do something to stop this madness...

It is indeed a tragic tally, and the Iraqi civilian tally is at a minimum 7 times greater and is rarely talked about in the media or used as an even more shocking milestone.

...it is not irresponsible to ask those who supported invasion whether they think it was worth it now that we have lost so many more Americans, or how many more of the folks serving and alive in the military today must die before they figure it out.

I think we also need to somehow get them to see the true magnitude of the tragedy - to acknowledge the huge number of dead and injured on both sides - to realize that participating in war, being surrounded by danger, killing people, seeing people killed every day is leaving irreparable scars on our soldiers and on countless innocent civilians who were once living in relative peace - that life in Iraq is not peaceful, safe or normal and probably won't be so for a very long time - and that the USA is responsible for all of this. It was all so unnecessary - it is shameful that we invaded a sovereign nation because of lies, and the perpetrators of the lies and all responsible persons who knew about the lies but facilitated going ahead with this war anyway should be held accountable for the deaths and injuries of everyone involved. They are the traitors and the ones who really don't care about our troops. If they had sincerely cared, they would never have allowed our troops to be put into harm's way in the first place - they would have taken every measure to find a diplomatic solution - they would have allowed the UN inspectors to finish their work which would have shown that no WMD existed. It is time to admit our grave error and bring our people home, to allow Iraq to find its own balance and peace without a foreign presence. Let's spend our tax dollars making reparations to all the victims on both sides vs. buying more weapons for more unnecessary wars that only line the pockets of the military industrial complex's corporate owners at the expense of the lives of our troops, innocent civilians, and the USA's good name (if any shred of it still exists).

Big Dan said: "Bush has now gotten more Americans killed in a War of Lies (and counting), than those killed on 9/11...

Maybe the question is: What's worse, Bush or 9/11???"

Well since the Bush/Cheney regime is responsible for causing both the illegal war in Iraq as well as the 9/11 false-flag "terrorist" attack that might alter your calculus some.