I wonder...can private citizens add their names to this letter? We should be able to...wonder how many signatures we could get...

Fan freaking tastic.

Send the letter to your Senators and tell them its time they sent a similar request. 51 Senators would bring the house down, but then finding 51 senators with spines would be difficult.

all i can say is THANK GOD! BUDDA! YAHWEH! AND CONYERS!

It would be interesting to see how this goes. In the Nurhumburg trials they doled out the death penalty for Nazis including the nazi equivalent of the US attorney general - I believe because he (like Gonzales) ruled the Geneva conventions "quaint". While I'm sure many americans will probably say that Bush admin & military officials actions do not mount that far, consider the many thousands dead (100,000+?) the stolen elections, and the direct US involvement in 9.11

I for one say they all should "walk the mile".

Happy to see I'm not alone (#1)...a few comments from RawStory:
So why don't "We, the People" snag this letter, get a couple million signatures (with addresses to prove they're real!) on it, and send it to Gonzo ourselves. AND send it to all our local and major newspapers. Sitting around bitching on a website sure ain't gonna do it....
jean 05.13.05 - 4:07 pm #

Gravatar Dear Mr. Conyers,
where is the "place" for the ordinary American citizen to sign your letter....after all we are not just "bystanders" to these lies...we have a stake in this investigation, are they not accountable to us, also?....(PLEASE not another "bi-partisan whitewash" like the "9/11 commission report", or the "vote fraud allegation investigations")
chabuka 05.13.05 - 5:03 pm #

Gravatar I'm with Jean and Chabuka. How can this be circulated and signed by the citizenry? I'm so fed up with administration and their daily barrage of stupidity. THANK YOU JOHN CONYERS!!!
Sue Moe 05.13.05 - 5:08 pm #

So...print out the letter from RawStory? Sign, get some others to sign, send it to some senators? Some editors? Can we do this, one person at a time? Why not?

Yes, Yes, Yes!

We are not "just couch potatoes", we are taxpaying Citizens of this country and we must INSIST that our civil servants carry forth OUR MESSAGE.

And I echo the sentiment --- PLEASE, not another "bi-partisan whitewash" like the 9/11 cOmmission report, or the voter-fraud (rather than Election Fraud) allegation investigations.

Is it time for the 6 or 7 Squad to once again spring into action???

Oh, please, guys. Like anything will come of this. I hate to be all pessimistic, but look who the Attorny General is. Like he'd ever really investigate. Rove chose his people well. They'll all loyal sick morons who will NEVER do the right thing. That's why the Conyers letter re: the "smoking memo," signed by 89 congressmen is a joke. They're asking the crooks to investigate themselves. Yeah, I'm sure Don Corleone is going to launch an investigation into the illegal activities of his sons. Yeah, he'll get right on that.

Look, the only way ANYTHING is going to happen to bring these guys down is to get the media involved, and that would take someone with major juice to have a press conference. For example, if Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter stood outside the senate united with every single Dem senator and demanded impeachment proceedings and AN IMPARTIAL INVESTIGATION. No James Bakers or Scalias.

This is a positive step, but these guys STILL don't get it.

Coalition of the brided

ROME - Italian troops were sent to Iraq to secure oil deals worth 300 billion dollars, and not just for post-war humanitarian purposes, an Italian television report by RAI claimed on Friday.

http://www.khaleejtimes....&section=focusoniraq

Re: the 6 or 7 Squad, see my recent post on the Conyers radio interview thread.

With all the wonderful things that Rep. Conyers has done, he also has a few important things to take action on in his own district and state if he is to maintain his credibility on the election reform issue.

oops.
USA plans to expand military presence in Azerbaijan close to Iran

One may probably distinguish two major reasons, which make the US administration develop active cooperation with the regime of the incumbent Azeri President, Ilham Aliyev. It is worth mentioning, though, that Mr Aliyev does not match the "democratic standards" of the US Department of State.
The first reason includes the transportation of the Caspian oil and the security of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline, which is directly connected with Mr Rumsfeld's department.
Secondly, the USA is interested in establishing mobile army bases on the territory of Azerbaijan, which is stipulated in the plan to re-deploy US troops in Europe and Asia.

http://www.gasandoil.com/goc/news/ntm51989.htm

Here's the link to the posting on Conyers mentioned in #9 above:
https://bradblog.com/archives/00001387.htm#13

hooo leeee shhhheeeeyyyyyiiiiitttt.

Backbone is a beautiful sight to see.

Here it is, right in the letter:

"Some of us previously asked Attorney General Ashcroft to appoint a special counsel to investigate these abuses on May 20, 2004. Unfortunately, we received no answer to our request."

But this time it will of course be different, because Gonzalez is no friend of Bush and had nothing to do with writing the very policies in question in the first place. Sigh...

Guys, these letters are WORTHLESS. It's time for drastic measure. Shut down the House. Shut down the Senate. Call an international war crimes tribunal. Americans will unite behind you if you unify and speak out very clearly to the media and the world: BUSH IS A CRIMINAL AND HIS REIGN MUST END NOW.

Remember that suit agaisnt Rumsfeld filed in Germany. The only argument for dimissing it was that it should be given a chance to be investigated and procecuted in the US first. If Gonzales turn a deaf ear. Then that excuse won't stand the next time.

Catherine A. #9

You've brought up a very serious point. $125,000 is worse than highway robbery for FOIA requests. There is no reason for them to be asking that amount of money, unless they've decided it's the only way they can get out of delivering the documents. I'm appalled.

The rest of your comments on the other thread bring up more unpleasant thoughts about the political machine we're dealing with. I certainly hope Rep. Conyers will comment on this situation.

Thanks for bringing it up - I hope Brad will post a response to your concerns.

Jim #13 -

I've been calling for international help in indicting this "administration" since November 3, 2004. It's the ONLY way we will escape total holocaust.

Fifty-one signatures out of a possible 435 just isn't enough to get the AG's attention esp. since he won't be interested in investigating anyway. This is Abu Ghraib Gonzales after all.

Conyers is always writing letters, but as stated above, he won't get any response or some bunch of mumbo jumbo for a response. Conyers means well, but he is always getting signatures and writing and that is all that comes of it.

We need something more like thousands marching on D.C. screaming for BushCo's head. You won't get any or very few Republicans in the House or the Senate to join with Dems to investigate anything involving the Bush Adm.

K OLS #19

I do not understand why the Democrats don't stand together 100% against this fraudulent regime. I wish somebody could explain it to me.

Obviously, Gonzales isn't going to appoint a prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration any more than Joseph Goebbels would have investigated the Third Reich (analogy intentional).

But it's a plus, because 1) it wil be picked up in the foreign press (if not in our own), and will show the world some Americans care about decency and right conduct, 2) it will keep the administration on the defensive, and 3) it's a pyschological tonic for people who despair of things ever being right again.

Kira, re: #19
It's because both the Democrats and Republicans have been bedfellows in corruption, kickbacks and election fixing for a long, long, time.

Why are you surprised? Of course neither of the main parties want to start a "real" investigation, because both sides will inevitably be shown for what they are.

Have a look at the money trail info that is being exposed on BBV. It involves both Democrats and Republicans. The same goes for the "gravy train" in all kinds of political/corporate/zoning/procurement/election corruption.

Expecting Democrats to somehow be radiant angels who will save us is as unrealistic as expecting Republicans to be radiant angels who will save us.

Where would I look for something different among elected representatives? Perhaps in Maine and Arizona where there is public campaign financing which is helping to cut the ties between elected officials and vested interest groups.

This is also why it's so important that the election reform issue NOT be seen as a partisan issue. It is too tempting to paint the GOP as "baddies" and the Democrats as "goodies." The fact is, there is plenty of squalor on all sides and neither of the main parties really want this examined.

Keep this in mind before you put anyone--including Rep. Conyers--up on a pedestal. He has been around a long time. He has been elected into a system that has certain "rules of the game" and certain "understandings." I suspect one doesn't stay where one is and keep one's seat, unless one is willing to play along, at least to some extent.

This is difficult to explain unless you have the experience yourself of standing for office. Once you do this, you develop a better understanding of the pressures that are applied to candidates and elected officials. (I encourage everyone to stand for public office. It is an unparalleled learning experience. Do it--whether you stand for a big party, a small party, or as an independent.)

With the election system that we have, and the campaign financing laws as they are in most states, it makes it difficult to find elected officials who are willing to put the public interest above everything else. They just can't afford to do this, or they'd lose their seat by losing support of their campaign financing. Ironic, isn't it?

Campaign finance reform will have to be a major priority if we are ever to have genuine election reform.

Hallelujah, Catherine A. It's what I've been saying all along and you put it beautifully.
Both parties are old hats at corruption and election tampering.
It's so good to hear comments from those who have experience and expertise.
Oh how I would love to live to see the day of a complete campaign financing overhaul.

The thing I keep thinking as well, is that the Democrats are pegged for the win in '08. Do you have any insights?

@Peg C..

I took the questions from Conyer's letter to Bush and applied those in a letter to Blair - I'm not expecting a response... I just wanted to apply a bit of pressure and make sure there was at least one dissenting voice angry about being blatantly lied to.

I'm hoping to get the time free to set up a PAC in the very near future to apply pressure on Blair and try to force the issue of his integrity (lying to the world alongside Bush) into the media.. He's lied to us and KNOWINGLY supported the illegitimate case for war (which he KNEW was fabricated around the policy). Supporting a murderer-by-proxy / nation-thief in the process.

When you spell it all out for what it is... a blatant lie to cover a highly calculated plan to oust a foreign leader and take control of govt., oil, money, etc. - it's amazing our nations aren't frothing at the mouth with rage over what our so-called "leaders" are doing and getting away with and the lives lost because of those manipulative lies... when you realize a lot of this ends with institionally-linked profiteering.. it's... well... f**ked up to say the least.

Keep fighting the good fight.. people are getting educated and are at least asking questions now rather than referring to "tin-foil hats" on a daily basis!! - As long as the weakness and fallability of their debunking attempts are exposed... we can win the information war. we WILL win the information war. (truth will come out eventually)

I sent the following to my local newspapers, countrywide newspapers, editorial columns, even Bob Woodward of the Wa. Post. Its a scary world when news isn't newsbecause the president says so.

#1
"Coalition of the Misinformed"
The U.K. memo leaked to the British press in the first days of May has been receiving attention typical of the U.S. media today. For fear of reprisal, i.e., being called left-wing liberals, information like this gets barely noticeable placement in the newspapers, and achieves the status of a passing thought for just a few seconds on television. “Bury this one” says the editor, who must answer to the ‘chief’…and so a small, non-descript article is placed somewhere on the pages that usually line the bottom of bird cages everywhere. Whether it was the newspaper that had the “gonads” to risk everything in the Watergate debacle, or even a local newspaper reporting about abuses in the church, the media had, at one time, been seen as the source of the breaking story. Now they are seen as pandering to whoever can create the biggest stink. In the old days, this tiny piece of information might have made front page news: “U.K. MEMO INSINUATES THAT BUSH MAY HAVE MANIPULATED IRAQ INTELLIGENCE”. But I guess that fear can reduce even the boldest newspapers to sniveling co-conspirators.

Dr. Alan H. Levinson

#2
“Don’t Interrupt”
As the President slows down coming around that last turn, he grabs his water bottle and takes a few good gulps. He wipes his forehead and chin with his sleeve, as do the rest of the secret service chasers and fellow bike-riders. He hands his bike off to the nearest helper who proceeds to wipe it down and place it back onto the car-rack for return to the White House garage. The president enjoys a few deep breaths, shakes hands with his fellow riders, enjoys a few laughs, then begins walking back towards his room to get changed. Suddenly, one of his aids walks up to him and informs him of the evacuation of the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. He is told of a small airplane that veered into the no-fly-zone. He is told that the pilots of this Cessna aircraft did not respond immediately to communications and warnings. He is informed that two Air force jets scrambled to intercept the interloper and force it to either change direction or be shot out of the sky. He is informed that it came to within 3 miles of the White House, mere seconds away from a direct over flight. He is told that the threat level reached Code-Red. He is finally told that the plane eventually landed and no terrorist attack or untoward event occurred. The staff that was with the President on his bike-ride didn’t feel the need to inform him of any of these potentially catastrophic events because they didn’t want to bother him. Hmmm, what’s wrong with this picture?

Dr. Alan H. Levinson

I think it's time to wake up now. This dream has been going on much too long!!

Bravo, Dr. Levinson. You see, there was nothing to worry about because the real president Rove was safe in his bunker, getting a lap dance from his favorite gay hooker/pseudojournalist, whilst Reischsmarshalls Cheney and Perle licked his boots. Seig Heil!

Catherine A #22

I hope I'm not as dumb as it seems you tried to paint me in your post.

Your statement: "Expecting Democrats to somehow be radiant angels who will save us is as unrealistic as expecting Republicans to be radiant angels who will save us" is certainly not anything I believe or would have said. However, I must disagree with you on one of your points --- the neoCON minority that calls itself "Republican" is absolutely, positively, a group of "baddies."

Anyway, my post was on an entirely different subject. My statement about 100% signing the statement (as initial post here) was concerning the War Crimes / Anti-Torture Act, not Election Reform.

Going back to your post regarding Election Reform, I certainly agree 100% that the Campaign Finance laws must be changed before we can have any campaigns that even approach being honest. The only way it will happen is to get Corporate Interests out of the political arena. I won't be holding my breath, but will continue to speak out against the current situation.

Great idea, Peg. I've written a few letters to the BBC myself. Have any other ideas you want to share? If only the UN wasn't so dependent on US money...

And don't forget to tell Howard Dean when you send back his surveys: NOT ONE DIME UNTIL THEY SPEAK OUT ON ELECTION FRAUD!

Peg C,

Speaking of International help, I was surfing tonight and ran across a site that I thought I'd share with you. See if you like it too --- a beautiful 60 yr. old woman from Canada whose grandkids call her "Yaya Canada!"

I was interested in her research into Karl Schwarz & 9/11.

Catherine, another thing to keep in mind is the number of "Democrats" who really subscribe to the "Republican" ideology. They are plants who have slipped past public recognition.

Theresa LePore and Cathy Cox for example. There have been other cases of Democratic BOE officials (we're supposed to have representatives of both parties) who were in pro-Bush activities. There was one instance in Georgia, a husband & wife team (one a Democrat, the other a Republican & both Fundamentalist Christian) who were caught changing undervote ballots to votes for Bush.

It's a very complicated problem.

As has already been alluded to here - but just in case some people are unaware - From CNN International:

"Eighty-nine Democratic members of the U.S. Congress last week sent President George W. Bush a letter asking for explanation of a secret British memo that said "intelligence and facts were being fixed" to support the Iraq war in mid-2002."

More here.

Also, a group calling itself 9-11 Truth Action has sent this letter to the above 89 Congresspeople.

Kira #29 Yes it is a complicated problem which takes a complicated solution.

Every once in awhile I notice that the "what's the use" emotional thinking kicks in.

When we are at our best we don't consider whether or not the proper thing to do will or will not bring results ... we just know we must do the proper thing.

And sometimes we interpret the "what's the use" syndrome as anti-dissent ... and sometimes it can work that way.

But at least Conyers has built a record that may do some good now and may add further good later.

I mean, if sanity returns and we look at the Conyers letter record someday in hindsight, it will be a loud and clear good roadmap of how insane the press and political power has gone. How politically corrupt the US government has become.

Hi, people - please focus on getting citizen signatures on the letter from the 50 in Congress. YOU MUST SIGN THE LETTER REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU BELIEVE GONZALEZ WILL ACT. If enough people sign, and I believe you can get around 64 MILLION people to sign, then Gonzalez will be history!!!!!! GET TO WORK PEOPLE!!!!!

P.S. Sorry for the histeria. But the numbers SPEAKING OUT are increasing. Please make it increase FASTER! Things are heading in the direction we want. Get the momentum going so fast that it cannot be stopped and it will blast thru the bull...t so fast, we will all be in shock from unexpected SUCCESS!!!! Now, GO, GO, GO!

The corruption has always been there. But public opinion has always had power too.
Without too much blame for what is, or hope for any specific individuals coming to the rescue, consolidated action by the people is a good move.

And remember, just as events from the top trickle down, small things on a local level can move up and infiltrate.

Grass roots in South Dakota strikes back

Hey guys, I don't see why we think we are so unsupported. I mean we are the group implying the election was stolen, which in turn implies that in reality we did win, we were supported by the american people, enough of them, to assume political capital if any lies with us. I think that new days are dawning unless we realize that the only fight we need to win is election transparency. And that intensifying that with local campaigns could potentially change & offer transparent elections. And we the "conspiracy theorist" know what that means. We would rid ourselves of the neo-cons. Restore law and order, restore rights, re-establish gun control, get GOD back out of schools, bring down the media conglomorats....re-invent journalism, reduce the deficit, improve the economy, improve international relations, and value a real "culture of life". All if we win "TRANSPERANCY". It is the fight we need to win.
Charlie

Well said. If we really think Bush stole the election, then we really think that the majority are on our side in this struggle. We don't have to look upon ourselves as the outsiders.

Perhaps the "silent majority" phrase is relevant here.

Also, we need to keep demanding better work from the MSM, but we also need to beware expecting thier support. The only support that will count in the end is grassroots support and that, I'm convinced, we are building.

Not only that, but the Republican hegemony is moving many of us, I'm convinced, to a deeper committment to truth over partisanship than we've ever known. In the long run, nothing could be better for the country.

Kira, re#29 I certainly don't think you're dumb!

I was addressing the larger issue of people painting one party black & another white. Also, there are plenty of Republicans who are not part of the neoconservative circle.

Re: why aren't people (Democrats) lining up to sign the letter--this is related to the election issue and election reform. "He who pays the piper calls the tune." If members of congress get campaign funds from defense contractors in their state, or from the gas/oil lobby, etc., do you think they will line up to sign this letter asking Bush to be investigated for war crimes? They know too well which side their bread is buttered on. The whole messy business of influence peddling is intertwined with all these issues--whether it's Iraq, election reform, voting machines, zoning decisions, or some other issue. My point was that Democrats have been "bought" just as Republicans have been "bought." And our system of campaign financing means that you practically have to be bought if you want to get elected.

I'll feel better about Conyers when he chooses to take action in his local district, where he surely does have some significant influence. Couldn't he help ensure cooperation from his own staff? Couldn't he help voting machines be audited from his own district? That would do more to create change than writing a letter that will most likely be ignored.

Don't get me wrong I'm glad he's writing the letter and the more people sign or write their own, the better. --But I'm not sure Conyers would be willing to take action for auditing of his own election. Writing a letter asking to impeach the president or asking him to be investigated for war crimes is probably less risky (and maybe advantageous) to his personal political career than exposing what might have been swept under the carpet in his own electoral area.

I like Conyers! I even grew up in his district! But the reality of Michigan's obstruction to auditing cannot be ignored, and I wish that Conyers would show his mettle in this arena.

It is messy, it is complicated. Not all Democrats or Republicans have the party loyalties they profess, as you point out. And more importantly, the differences between them are unfortunately not very great, since they get their campaign funds from the same sources.

Until there is campaign reform, and other election reforms (such as IRV) the existing two-party system is more of a one-party corporate-dominated system. (And this one-party system has currently been hijacked by a small group that are outside of the one-party system and have their own crazy "True Believer" agenda.)

If you wrote a movie about all this--9/11, Afghanistan, Iraq, the election scandals, the extent of corruption in our political system, the prayer breakfasts--no one would ever believe it. The truth is so outrageous that people can't bear to hear it, and most of them would prefer not to know.

That's great! Thank you to those who are doing this investigation! This should be investigated and have the proper punishment against crimes of humanity.

It's not crazy to think there have been Democrats who have cheated in one way or another to get elected. Evidence points to JFK and LBJ as two prominent ones. But, in the case of the 2004 election I haven't heard of even one instance where the irregularity or suspicion might've benefitted Kerry (or any other Democrat). In every instance I've heard of the benefit has all gone to Bush. Isn't that in and of itself rather amazing? Isn't that an indicator that further investigation is needed, to pinpoint where the problems existed? As everyone who has heard of the exit polls now knows, it's beyond statistical probability and clearly indicates hanky panky of the worst kind.

Why don't Americans check President Bush by Brainfinger Printing ?

No Japanese politicians investigated Japan's terrorism : Apr 22, 2004 Ryongchon Explosion, NK by satellite Mbsat or N-Star-C. I'm not a pro-NK and I hate killer Japanese PM Junichiro Koizumi.

Excuse me, this is not a story for here.

Please severely watch May 16 Trial Lexar Media Inc. v. Toshiba Corp to keep US court fair.

Toshiba persons are morbid liars. Toshiba Corp can mind-control it to reject Lexar's request injunction stopping the sale of Toshiba products using its flash memory.

I said, do American politicians really know real Mind-control ? I don't know America licensed to Japanese satellite Jcsat-9 in America's sky.

Now in May, NAM and Rep. Mike Rogers marks Japan's and China's currency manupilation. Japan cleverly says it stops buying dollars after Mar 2004.
Hard Yen appreciation will never come again ? While Japanese car is selling very much in the World. While Japanese share reaches 30 percent of US car market. Toshiba spies might exist inside Toyota Group.

US Congress should clearly say Japan's currency manupilation is just Mind-control.

Is President George Bush, a sham leader of Strong Dollar, protected from external psychological influence or Toshiba-led Japan's Mind-control. He might not want to beat American carmakers.

Pravda reported former Russian President Yeltsin knew mind-control at "Psychic security department protects Russian presidents from external psychological influence" on Jan 6, 2005.
http://english.pravda.ru...0/362/14790_psychic.html
- Americans have created radiators of modulated signals, which control people's behavior thousands of kilometers from afar.

Japanese PM Junichiro Koizumi is a Toshiba spy. He only mind-controls. He gave Toshiba Corp domination of national Post Office and Toshiba's 1st satellite Mbsat.

Mr. Nishida becomes new Toshiba President in Jun. He, crazier for money, married an Iranian for Toshiba's Iranian business. Toshiba Corp will be more atrocious although Toshiba Corp mind-controlled to sell Americans iPod with Toshiba's HDD and flash memory and nuclear power reactor in 2004.

by (Mr.) Seitaro Kanamaru, a Japanese
* My BBS threads in English : I am an Mind-Control Victim by Toshiba Corp since 1997.
http://www.perc.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=794
(My face is at http://www.discussanythi.../showthread.php?p=838876.)
* My site in Japanese
http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/news/1301/

Here's a question for Dredd or any others who might know an answer.

Are we still at war with Iraq? Iraq has elected a President and is now a Democracy, so what do you call what we are doing there as a military presence? As far as I know, the new government of Iraq has not declared war on the U.S.

If we are not at war with Iraq, how does this change what the U.S. as a country or military can do in Iraq (legally)?

Kira, if a question exists over the legality of the initial occupation of Iraq (as surely it must), then surely the legitimacy of any administration installed by the US (using criterea selected to ensure a US friendly vote) as a result of that occupation must by definition be equally questionable.

The Iraqi people had no more say in their election than you had in yours.

There are US military bases all over the world, some in countries that have NEVER been occupied by US forces (here in the UK for example), as long as the government in question doesn't formally request a withdrawal of US forces (and shall we have have a collective guess as to how likely THAT would be?), they have everything they need to stay put.

Prove that the war was illegal and everything done during and after falls apart.

Dawookie,

I certainly agree with you on all points. I stated my question not in the way you, I and most of us here on BB would, but more as a legal question posed to lawyers and as hope that we might find even more to add to the Impeachment fire.

Is our gov't still declaring war on Iraq? If not, who are we at war with? Are we at war? Our young people are still being shipped out.

There are some special powers the pResident has while our country is at war, but if we aren't officially at war - is he committing even more illegalities?

Kira-

Extrememly good point, that although I recognized, I failed to truly recognize. Are we wtill at war with Iraq or are we still at war with terrorist? George Bush never really declared war on Iraq (I don't think), but he did declare war on terror? He then manipulated the information to make Sadam and his axis of evil regime fit the terrororist definition, and then only as a last resort due to an imminent threat to the United States, invaded them (sarcasm).
So I guess the question I would ask is who does George Bush think he is fighting. Let me throw this in. Does this not seem like the first war where the US does not know about how many strong its enemy is, or exactly who it is? Is that not the problem with a war on a noun, anyone you'd like can fit the bill? If you dont agree your a liberal. If you work against us your a terrorist.

I think I am also interested in some Lawyer like answers to your questions....any lawyers out there?

Thanks Kira
Charlie

Kira #43

The congress gave the president power by approving his use of military force. This pretty much removes an impeachment potential.

However, that grant of power was based upon his WMD ruse. The lying about WMD to instigate the war is impeachable, however, there is no political power to bring it about. The Coup d' etat is broad based.

So ... there is no governmental power left to do it. The people will have to revolt in the polls, the voting, and the buying and selling to overthrow the coup.

The fox is not going to throw itself out of the henhouse ...

Private citizens who support Conyer's request for special counsel can sign a petition to Gonzales requesting he comply with Conyer's letter: http://www.petitiononlin...m/xyz123ab/petition.html

Thank you Meg #46: Here it is:

PETITION SUPPORTING CONYERS LETTER TO GONZALEZ TO START AN INVESTIGATION

Kira I would like to take a stab at your #41
Upfront I admit I do not know an answer but I do know a guess.

My guess is that we have never been at war with Iraq. Only Congress can declare war and they took a cowardly turn with their WMD vote but did not declare war.

This pResident whipped up the fanciful War on Terrorism and gave himself the right to go anyplace, anytime to do anything he wants done IN OUR NAME and as long as others do the killing and the dying.

Of course our very brave Congress and Know it all tell nothing Mess Media do not object. So there is no war in Iraq or Afganistan those are just places that bombers bomb, troops kill, looters loot so any red thinker no matter what state they live in can 'feel safe'.

Just a guess.

Don't be so sure Conyers letters are futile. Remember, although Gonzales is complicit in these obvious acts the Secret Service as well as other defectors are not.

Conyers didn't expect response from his Gannon letters either. The Secret Service provided evidence and logs of all his visits, anyway.

There is no reason to think the same thing couldn't happen. Especially when more and more are defecting from the obvious collusion.

Ringman

Cole #48

I'm trying to study up on this "war" with Iraq, so I thought I'd post some links in case you or anyone else want to look too:

law professors declare US-led war illegal

Australian legal experts declare an invasion of Iraq a war crime

Congress Must Declare Iraq War

Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

QUESTIONS THAT WON'T BE ASKED ABOUT IRAQ (Congressman Ron Paul)

Cato.org Policy Analysis - Iraq, the Wrong War - pdf file

Whitehouse.gov Iraq FAQs

Wikipedia - Declaration of war by the United States

This is just what I started looking at today and I don't know if my answer is in here or not --- anyway, it's a start.

Corrections to my post #50

The first link is missing the first word which should be "Canadian".

The "Whitehouse.gov Iraq FAQs" link is actually the website of Congressman Adam Smith of Washington State.

Significant coverage of the Downing Street Memo on the front page of Dkos! Bloggers Hunter and Armando have entires in the last 24 hours.

There's an article by Krugman.

Saw McCain on CNN spinning for Bush & losing last crumb of respectability.

We are getting this out there.

I just pinned up a highlighted, underlined, and annotated version of the Downing Street Memo outside my cubicle for everyone to see. I may catch some "heat" for being political at work, but I don't care anymore. Fuck Bush and his war lies.

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of folks!

The silent majority is the religious right and they are no longer being silent. You leftists are not in the majority.

"The silent majority is the religious right and they are no longer being silent. You leftists are not in the majority. "

That's wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin.

The world outside of the radical religious right is by FAR in the majority, or else it wouldn't now be hitting critical mass.

Look at this amazing attempt to discredit all of the exit poll discrepancy reports,

http://www.democraticund...mesg_id=369394&page=

I wonder why they are fighting so ferociously that Edison-Mitofsky now hires the likes of Elizabeth Liddle and White House correspondent Byron York to back up the reluctant bush responder theory with a real hypothesis?

Not only that, but why is it this HYPOTHESIS pertains to foreign exit polls and not the USA? Magically out of nowhere, we are told to now allow it to be the facts for the USA!

That fools errand is like saying we must all believe the sky is black when the sky is really blue!

We are told to believe that the exit polls as of 12 midnight were completely incorrect because of a widespread glitch, which has been "magically reproduced" in another country because of shy Tony Blair responders.

We are told the world is flat when the world is round.

We are told down is up when up is down.

We are told to roll over and "get over it".

How about NO WAY JOSE? How about that?

How about Dick Cheney get off of his crime mobile and come out to the public and say flat out, that all of the collective incidents from the Incident Reporting System at www.votersunite.org are due to EVIL COMMUNIST BIAS once and for all so the country sees the true colors?

Because nobody will buy that load of bullshit. This ship has long since sailed, if Cheney thinks he's going to cheat his way into the office in 2008 its time he realize that the millions of voters are demanding their democracy back-- And the radical extremists who control the voting box, to go down in flames right along with their woeful biogtry.

It is truly sad, and alarming when they have to pay planted shills who work for the White House to go around denouncing everyone as rabid tin-foil beanie wearers.

The media of today is nothing else but a dead rat dangerously out of touch with reality.

Matt

Paul #54 (I hesitate to feed the trolls, but...)

The religious right is silent? Stunning.

John Conyers tonight on Wolf Blitzer reports on CNN at 5pm eastern! YIKES!!!!!!!

#56 BeJammin

The religious right is right? Stunning.

The religious right is the majority? Really Stunning.

They might be religious in their attacks on anyone who has a different belief system or walks a different path, but they don't follow the teachings of the holy man Jesus Christ.

How many members are there in the House again? How many donkeys? And all you can come up with is 51? Keep wishing. While you're waiting for your dream to come true, tune to C-SPAN2 and watch the majority slap down the reticent donkeys on their way to killing the filibuster.

The freeper I admire for making me laugh! When I heard about the "moral majority" slapping down the senate, I had to tune in and saw Bill Frist literally tripping over his tongue!!!

That was hilarious! He couldn't come up with a straight response at all. Let's pressure the house to question him, rather than he question Reid over Clinton.

Doesn't seem to be much of a double standard, right? /sarcasm

Matt

Sojo!!! What do you mean by "the direct involvement of the government in 9/11?I have always thought that myself. But no proof! I wish there was so we could topple Bush of his high "conservative moral" horse.You know what we need to do guys? Go on the Michael Savage radio show and ask him why he is calling us communists.And read his book "Liberal as a mental illness". We can't keep taking this crap forever.Go on his website too and tell him what you think because he is only taking conservative republican phone calls.He won't let anyone else talk if you don't agree with him and his views. Personally I think he's the one out of touch.In our state they are still trying to topple Governor Greguire and she is trying to clean up Puget sound. I don't want to see Rossi get in there he's a raving maniac.

Also if you ask any republican they say it's ok to torture anyone who is a suspected terrorist because of 9/11. Michael Savage aired the sound of someone being beheaded by terrorists and said that justified torture for the suspected terrorists. Maybe they should throw them in a body of water and if they float they're a terrorist, and if they sink they're innocent.Or put a boiling hot rock in their hand and if it makes a blister they're a terrorist.

Yes, Bushit and his minions should definitely be impeached for war crimes regarding Iraq, but also regarding9/11!! I have been doing research for several months now, and I am not one to believe everything I read or hear, and when I first started reading some websites about9/11, I couldn't believe it either! It was just too horrible to contemplate. I then read exhaustively on the subject, on many different websites, and the scientific evidence, common sense arguements, the pictures(pentagon) heard audio from Aaron Brown, Jamie Macintyre (on the day of 9/11 when they were just saying their opinions) Jamie Macintyre said while at the Pentagon said "There was no plane here"!!!! Any thinking person having done some reading on certain websites, would KNOW it was definitely an inside job, or at the very least seriously doubt and question the "official govt.story" I can see why the right wouldn't dare question anything the govt. says, however, how come so many on the left, progressives, etc, don't question the "official story" , don't even mention it, don't want to discuss it, or don't want to believe it?? For example, I love the site "Buzzflash" and read it daily, however their headlines give the impression that they believe the "official story"!! It behooves me that such obviously intelligent people are not looking at the facts, or denying even the possibility of govt.complicity. I believed the "official story" too, even to the point of outrage at my boyfriend for daring to mention that "something is wrong with the govt's story!! Anyone with even half a brain that READS what I have read, will come to the same horrific conclusion as I, that the "official story is ridiculous, and something smells rotten in America"!! In fact I am Canadian, and I can smell the stench from here!! Don't take my word for it, DARE to question, and see for yourselves,!! If I was American, it would be my life's mission to get the truth out about 9/11, I could not sit and be silent on this treason against the American people. Thank goodness for people like David Ray Griffin, and others like him, that are bravely trying to get the truth out!! I read on Bradblog once , someone had the great idea to leave information on busses, trains, billboards, offices, etc, It would be such a shame if the truth of 9/11, goes the way of JFK!! Please America, WAKE UP!!! Your future depends on it, and wouldn't you LOVE to see Bushit & Co. get what they so rightfully deserve????

The way he continued reading "my pet goat" when he heard about the first plane, it reminded me of the Lifetime movies where the wife has the rich husband killed and the police come and inform her he's dead, and the way she tries to fake sorrow about it, that was enough for me. And the fact that they conveniently didn't televise the inquiry of Bush and Cheney about 9/11. And then when it got out that there were no wmd's, and that old guy who knew the truth, conveniently commited suicide.

Egrassh, I take it you mean the writer Hunter Thompson?? He was writing a book about 9/11 and said he had evidence to back him up, wasn't that a convenient death for the Bushistas?? Methinks he went the way of Raymond Lemme, the poor guy that was investigating the election fraud of 2004!! Gee, two very convenient suicides!!! Hmmmmm, mighty suspicious, what a shame, obviously Hunter had some very damning information regarding 9/11!!!

I hope David Ray Griffin is watching his back!! Don't fly in any small planes David!!!