READER COMMENTS ON
"About That 'Stolen' Democratic Primary: 'BradCast' 6/20/2016"
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gary
said on 6/20/2016 @ 8:50 pm PT...
How can i skip ahead in the broadcast so I can get to the section, the only seciton, I am interested-- your rant on the topic of whether elections have been stolen or not? I have a macbook and using chrome. In otherwords, it seems I am forced to listen to the whole broadcast, which is very frustrating.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 6/20/2016 @ 9:36 pm PT...
Are you unable to slide the little player forward? My rant on all of that begins about 13 mins in, I believe.
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Larry Bergan
said on 6/21/2016 @ 10:22 am PT...
Well, Brad, you said yourself:
...the places with no "paper trail" are the places that use 100% unverifiable touch-screen systems. The places that use such systems happen to be the larger and/or more urban jurisdictions. Larger and/or more urban jurisdictions have more minority voters.
That's convenient. Why would that be?
Like you say, and I do too, it's impossible to know for sure what happens when we use these awful corporate voting machines, but one of my favorite Mark Crispin Miller quotes is something like:
'it would be easier to prove the election was stolen then to prove it wasn't'
Mr. Miller has written more then one book on the subject. There are very respectable people out there, making a few assumptions, but it's probably because of how much they've seen in all these years.
This primary election on the democratic side just has this classic American "official story" feel to it that usually happens with Republican contests against Democrats.
One thing for sure. I've never seen this much scrutiny of a primary election before, and I think that's a good thing. Let the people wonder.
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Larry Bergan
said on 6/21/2016 @ 10:26 am PT...
Oh, and keep up the great work, Brad!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
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Brad Friedman
said on 6/22/2016 @ 6:48 pm PT...
Larry Bergan said @3 & 4:
Well, Brad, you said yourself:
...the places with no "paper trail" are the places that use 100% unverifiable touch-screen systems. The places that use such systems happen to be the larger and/or more urban jurisdictions. Larger and/or more urban jurisdictions have more minority voters.
That's convenient. Why would that be?
There are several different ways to answer that question. But the Occam's Razor version would be that larger jurisdictions have more votes to count and the 2000s myth that e-voting systems speed up vote counting was in play when many of those systems were introduced. Those jurisdictions also are often short of money, so replacing systems (without help from a HAVA type federal bill) is difficult.
You could add nefarious reasons, if you like. But that would be speculation, which, as you know, I try to avoid without hard, independently verifiable evidence to support such things.
Mr. Miller has written more then one book on the subject. There are very respectable people out there, making a few assumptions, but it's probably because of how much they've seen in all these years.
Well, for what it's worth, you may recall I wrote a chapter for one of Mark's books, and he is not one of those "respectable people out there" that I complain about in the show above. But I too have seen "much...in all these years", but know better than to make charges I can't back up and that mislead the electorate. That's just irresponsible and those who have seen "much" should actually be the ones to know better than to do it.
This primary election on the democratic side just has this classic American "official story" feel to it that usually happens with Republican contests against Democrats.
Fair enough. But short of strong evidence to assert that someone has "stolen an election", that's a very serious charge that should not be made with casual suspicions. And, IMO, this year's election has been no worse than previous recent elections. And, as I hope you know, I pay very close attention.
One thing for sure. I've never seen this much scrutiny of a primary election before, and I think that's a good thing. Let the people wonder.
Agree that it's a very good thing that folks are starting to notice how horrible our election system is. I understand that they are coming to conclusions about that, even if the conclusions are incorrect or unsupported. But folks who know about Election Integrity, who have reported on it for years, should know better than to offer irresponsible assertions. That does not help our case in the long run.
Oh, and keep up the great work, Brad!
And thank you, brother!
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
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Larry Bergan
said on 6/22/2016 @ 10:32 pm PT...
I see I'm going to have to waterboard you, Brad.
But, seriously, thanks dad!
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Bev
said on 6/29/2016 @ 7:34 pm PT...
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