The direct link to the Conyers letter isn't working. The link on his own website also is not working.

A most wonderful event. These minutes are the equivalent of a deep throat. I am on it. 6 of 7 babe.

So where is Russert?

Think Russert missed this one and is completely unaware that the president, vice president, and cabinet deliberately lied to the american people and to the congress?

Must be ... no way he would have covered up Watergate ... would he?

Judas on a mike ...

So, if Bush & Co. refuse to answer a letter (or request for information and documents) from Congress, is that an impeachable offense?

From the link to the Letter posted on John Conyers' Home Page - (I assume this is the one he wants us to use .?.)

Sign the Letter

MarkH #3 In the current political climate there is no impeachable offense. Let me explain.

It is like jury's were in the deep south once upon a time. White men were never convicted by juries for linching black americans because of intimidation, racism, and cultural blindness of the soul.

Congress, like those juries, will not have the number of votes to do an impeachment so we need to get off that. It is just too dreamy.

What they may do, however, is conduct hearings into the matter and make a finding that the president lied deliberately about the reasons for invading Iraq against the UN vote. That is about as far as it can go.

The political fallout from that is the best we can hope for I am afraid. And if we can get fair elections by vote machine reform and a constitutional amendment giving the citizen a federal right to vote for president ... that would be the best we could hope for.

We do not live in an impeaching country right now. Lets get it. Lets really get that. It is the congress that does impeachment ... not the courts.

The Constitutional test remains "...high crimes and misdemeanors..." Which is whatever Congress declares it to be.

Starting a war when you shouldn't isn't a high crime and misdemeanor, by historical precedent. If it were, James K. Polk would have been impeached for the Mexican War and William McKinley for the Spanish-American War (Hearst started that one, but he wasn't president).

Election fraud is a better angle, and it would also mean Cheney couldn't succeed Bush.

Dredd #5 --- I agree with your assessment of the current situation, but I think we have to keep impeachment in the air and everywhere because, as Americans, we should ultimately demand impeachment for egregious high crimes. I believe it is our civic responsibility; not really a choice on our part. And we should hold in an accessory position those elected officials who fail to take public responsibility seriously.

We should look at the "long line" view of the situation in terms of our goal - impeachment. It could happen after 2006. It's all part of taking back the nation. Of course, election reform is essential now; but I think "justice" is a necessary part of democracy and, being a nation of laws, justice essentially demands impeachment. (We'll talk about criminal prosecution, too, but impeachment is a Constitutional necessity, IMO.)

It won't happen right now, it's true.

{ed note: Deleted. Same poster posting as different names. When he posts as Atty Jimmo again his posts will be allowed to stay.}

Fish, if this site is for losers, why are you here???? Hmmmmmm! Conyers is true patriot! He has been the voice of democracy since the sham of election and many of us are grateful and supportive. Bush/Rove/Cheney and his cronies need to be uncovered for the crooks they are. Uncovering the election is the most important issue. Without a free election, democracy is dead. I don't think people realize if Repubs can rig an election, don't you think terrorists or other radical groups can too! Just may be when a Repub votes for his Repub candidate of choice, and the machine defaults to a Nazi or worse, hmmmm???? That's a different story, isn't it?? Bush is in office illegally. Hopefully, the truth will surface before too many more Americans have to die or get maimed for corporate greed.

Mugzi: either prove your allegations or SHUT the F up! I am sick of the "they stole the election" crap.

You whiners are still crying about the 2000 election.

Get a clue: bush won, gore lost, kerry lost: Move forward, one step at a time: baby steps!

There is a reason Republicans are raising RECORD amounts from a record number of small donors and Democrats are bankrupted by Howard Dean:

America is sick of your whining!

Interesting article, and interesting comments, especially by R. Ballard:

Kerry to bring issue of Downing Street Minutes/Memo to Senate

Ah Jimmo...so kind of you to offer your quivering advice. But, do you have any advice as to how to prove allegations when no one is willing to allow for a reasonable investigation...whether in 2000 or in 2004?

Well, at least the bozo has quit trying to post anon. Hasn't improved his posts at all, however.

Mugzi, DON'T "shut the F up"! Who gives a flying "F" if somebody with their head up their butt is sick of the "'they stole the election' crap"?

John Conyers, Jim Lampley, Sherole Eaton, Clint Curtis, Gore Vidal, Robert Koelher, Bernie Ellis, Bev Harris, and a rapidly growing list of people who are becoming aware of the truth, don't give a damn if some chump troll is sick of them moving forward, so why should you be? These characters are trying to stop a train that's gathering speed by peeing on the track. It ain't gonna happen! Onward, Conyers and company. Now, THAT's moving on!

Conyers is going to give other members of Congress a chance to sign the letter on Monday.

I think it would be a GREAT idea to specifically call our Representatives and Senators on Friday and urge them to sign Conyers letter on Monday! I'm sure Conyers will get more signatures, but we could help him get as many as possible.

Wow, I'm impressed, I actually got a polite automatic reply back from Bill Frist this time!

It says:

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Thank you for your e-mail, and I look forward to reviewing and responding as soon as I can. Unfortunately, due to the high volume of mail I receive daily and the press of Senate business, your response may be regrettably delayed. In the meanwhile, you may find my website at http://frist.senate.gov to be helpful, as I endeavor to post my positions on most major policy issues there regularly along with other information of interest.

Again, thank you for contacting me and know that I always appreciate hearing from you!

Sincerely,

William H. Frist, M.D.
Majority Leader
United States Senate

Please do not reply to this email, it is coming from an unmonitored account.

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Somehow I don't think he's going to be quite so appreciative that I contacted him, once he reads my letter.

I know, I know, it's like trying to bail a boat with a thimble, but at least I feel better for writing it.

He'll probably get with Randall Terry and James Dobson to pray for our "liberal heathen souls" for daring to even THINK such a thing.

Okay, it's late and I'm ramblin, I'll be shutting up and logging off now

jimmo...

You are missing the point... TOTALLY... (and probably intentionally knowing you!!)

Yeah people are bitching about the stolen elections, there's 102 pages of evidence Jimmo.. you just refuse to accept it. Preferring to cover your ears, screaming "I can't hear you" like the Bush-Fanboy that you are.

Yes... we were robbed, twice now... but changing the current president (as much as it should happen) is unlikely because congress no longer represents the people... and no longer has any sense of decency or democracy. - The point is (and the aim of most here is) to: STOP REPUBLICAN-HEAVY ELECTION FRAUD RE-OCCURING A THIRD TIME.

Republicans have been extremely dirty cheats in the last two major elections, we have reason to distrust the elections and we want to do something about it so that we can have confidence that our votes really count in future. - Is that so hard for you to understand?

No matter what horseshit you spew out... we are fighting a good fight... the trolling won't distract us from our goals.

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Back on-topic: Conyers could go even higher...

If he sets his target for 2 million US citizens... it SHOULD get more people educated, even though it'll take a fair bit longer...

(Those who are aware of the letter but were frustrated that it was still x-amount of signatures away would push further than they had before to help get to that number... inadvertantly educating more people about both the memo and the minutes.)

Still... it's good to hear he's increased it as I thought 100,000 wasn't enough to make congress even blink.

Dredd #5
I am extremely wary of any drive for a Constitutional ammendment. As I understand it, when the Constitution is opened, all segments of the Constitution are open for ammending or repeal. With the current crew in charge of Congress, I would be scared to death that nothing of the original Constitution would be left when the convention closed.
I agree that impeachment is a bazillion to one shot. I do support investigations of the serious allegations of going to war on lies AND vote fraud.
I strongly feel everyone should drop all references to the Downing Street MEMO. It was not a memo. It was the Downing Street MINUTES. Framing the argument is crucial, language does matter.
Thanks to all non-trolls who post here. A great gathering of minds indeed!

DaveM #18 I share your concern about tampering with the constitution.

But it is not a fact that anything can be changed if it is "opened up". Actually it is not "opened up".

An amendment is essentially like any bill, it is brought up in committee and witnesses appear and language is drafted.

Then the committee sends it to the main body and there is a vote.

If it passes it then must be ratified by a large majority of the state legislatures within a certain number of years.

If enough ratify it then it becomes a part of the constitution.

Over at VR (link here) there is some discussion as to why an amendment is needed.

We need to hold Bush accountible. But we also need to hold all the senators that voted accountible as well. Clinton needs to be held accountible for lieing too. Its time to overcome partisen politics and take back our governement.

Everyone remember to go to downingstreetmemo.com and get the addresses of the 3 news networks that has been posted for today,there will be 3 new ones posted everyday this month for us to email,fax or call asking them to report on the downing street minutes,this is important,we need to keep the pressure on.Onward Christian Soldiers!!

Hey Circus boy (Georgee W.) and other retarded demented loser animals in the BUSHIT administration: The only reason millions of Americans haven't signed this petition is because you wealthy greedy bastard lying propaganda has kept the truth from the American people and they don't all know about where to sign.

We shouldn't worry about Congress trying to work for us. We are stuck with crowd of liars and crooks for a while... and they will likely be replaced by more liars and crooks. Politics tends to reward people who crave power and who will lie and cheat to get it.

As always, we the people can lead. Suffrage was people powered. Civil rights was people powered. The labor unions were people powered. The antiwar movement has always been people powered. The struggle against apartheid was people powered. If we just get out there and do what we do best: talk, educate, communicate, and cooperate... the losers in Washington will be forced to come around.

We have nothing, they have everything. This makes us powerful. The harder they strike back against the weak, the more authority they lose in the long run. This isn't about realpolitik or anything like that... it is about good deeds and bad deeds. And in the long run, evil is its own undoing.

Look how concerned the current administration is with having loyalists in its inner circle. This is because those who live by the sword, die by the sword. And there are so many finks and power hungry fools up in there, that it is only a matter of time before they start fighting amongs themselves. The Republicans are even purging their own party, much in the same way (but through propaganda rather than violence) that Stalin sought to eliminate his fellow communists.

Republicans are evil people, your right. Howard Dean was right when he said republicans dont make an honest living. Everyone one of them is corrupt and its time we take them down. Evil is as Evil does.

To the Inbred losers rotten to the core in our current government. We know the few in the US CONGRESS who voted to not to accept the fraudulent electoral votes which the Bush Administration cheated to win in the last 2 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. Maybe you control the mass media however Word of mouth will get the real news out about your "Agenda" and plans you made for your "American ruling Empire." George Bush Dick Cheney Admininstration will be impeached and convicted to do jail time. DESTRUCTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND ALL YOUR OTHER PLANS FOR CONTROL AND DOMINATION OF THIS COUNTRY AND WORLD WILL BE EXPOSED. The Yellowstone Grizzly is in danger of extinction and trapped apart from other Grizzly Bear populations which number less than 1000 in the lower 48 states since the Bushit Administration reversed Clinton's Roadless Rule Law that protected our wild lands from 58 million acres of human roads and developement. Anyone but the BUSH and CHENEY Corrupt Greedy Lying Dirtbags.

To All,

Thanks for this posting. It is truly important and will go a long ways to exposing the evil in the White House and both houses of Congress. Truth will finally be uncovered.

Already, we have the giant avalanche going. And it will sweep all of the bad guys out of power (from both parties).

However, I must warn everyone. When the powerful start to come down (which is what is starting to happen now), there is a very real temptation for us to start a mob mentality. We must avoid this at all costs.

Medium Left said:

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Republicans are evil people, your right. Howard Dean was right when he said republicans dont make an honest living. Everyone one of them is corrupt and its time we take them down. Evil is as Evil does.
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While I completely agree with the idea that the baddies must be purged, I urge you not to take an extremist position. There are some good Republicans in Congress (mostly the moderates in the Group of 14). And there are bad Democrats.

IF WE BEGIN A MOB MENTALITY TO IMPEACHMENT, WE WILL BE NO BETTER THAN NEWT GINGRICH AND HIS CREW WHO IMPEACHED CLINTON.

I implore you all, please weigh your options carefully. Be measured in your approach. If you have considered all options and possibilities and impeachment is the only way, so be it.

Just don’t make it the only option.

“Don’t give in to hate. That leads to the Dark Side.” – Obi-Wan Kenobi

:) Donate to John Conyers, maybe this will wake up the other dems. He is the one willing to investigate voter fraud, the Downing Street Memo and other matters of importance to our democracy. Finally, we have a place to be heard.

The Bush administration hereby stands accused of Constitutional abuse, misconduct,illegal wrongdoings, and overt cheating in the presidential elections of 2000 and 2004 as well as the deaths of 100,000 Iraqi civilians and 1600 American soldiers in the Iraqi war which was waged on complete lies and mindfck fear propaganda.

Medium Left (#24) is exaggerating to make a point, I'm sure. Most of my family is Republican, though only one voted for Bush in 2000, and none of them did in 2004, simply because they see that this administration is Fascist, only embracing true conservative ideals to garner support, while they rummage around in your wallet, with every intent to empty it, and remove your rights from our system.

These are not liberal/conservative issues. These are about American people fighting for their rights against ruthless corporatism, that knows no bounds, and has no shame. GWB is merely a front for these criminals.

UPDATES!!!

Protest draws attention to memo

Kerry To Push For Bush Impeachment

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Come senators, congressmen, please head the call
Don't stand in the doorway, don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt will be he who has stalled
And the battle outside, it is raging.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times, they are a changing....

Kes - great post! Thanks for the links.

I must have struck a nerve!!!!!! Shut the f*** up - never!!!! Suprisingly enough, I am a Republican!!! The only thing, I THINK and I WELCOME discussion! This may come as a shock, but intelligent people have discussions and I respect everyone's right to speak! Let's see, I think they call that democracy bozo!!!

Mugzi, you're dealing with a troll that has nothing to do except float around from board to board posting inane stupidity & drivel. It thinks it is insulting, but it is just pathetic.

It posts new names if it can so it seems like there are more than just one of it. Too bad. It is just one.

Some of its names are: Atty Jimmo, Jimmo, Lead Fish, Hank, Skinner, No Name Needed and J.

It is a sad little case. It has no friends. This is all it can think of to do.

Thanks for your posts, Mugzi!

Dredd. back to #5
It seems to me that the pursuit of
"Impeaching bush" has merit, primarily because it
keeps us moving and keeps pressure on.

Also, we know that impeachment is basically the House bringing charges, to be followed by a trial in the Senate. As I recall, during the explorational thirst for Impeachment of Clinton there was talk of finding evidence to Impeach him even after leaving office.

If the above is so, and If there is change in the House then Impeachment makes perfect sense as it would lead to investigations and uncover the criminality of this pResident and his mob.

Impeachment may indeed be the only route to find justice, otherwise bush will leave office free and immensely wealthy.

Kerry To Raise Downing Street Memo on Senate Floor -
http://www.lightupthedar...sp?view=plink&id=994

Conservative Spin on Kerry Statement -
http://www.lightupthedar...p?view=plink&id=1000

Mugzi, did you ever go to a Yankees-Red Sox game? About 10 percent of the fans, mostly young adults, get high on beer and chant, "Yankees suck!" or "Red Sox suck!" incessantly. It doesn't matter who's winning the game, or what the score is.

That's what trolls are like. They don't want to contribute thoughts here, or engage in vigorous debate. They're just like people at Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park who yell, "______suck!" The difference is, trolls seem to be able to do it without having five beers first.

There are 56 Fred Flintstones and 25 Mickey Mouses on there all posted by ME!

hahahahahahaha

THERE ARE 225,000,000 VOTING AGE PEOPLE IN AMERICA.

THERE ARE 110,000 ON YOUR PETITION.

THAT IS LESS THAN 1/20 OF ONE PERCENT OF AMERICANS!

.05%

1/20 OF ONE PERCENT

.05%

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOU LOSERS.

YOU ARE ALL TOTAL LUNATICS AND IDIOTS SUCKED IN BY JC FOR CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS.

MORE PEOPLE SIGN PETITIONS TO LEGALIZE HEROIN IN AMERICA THAN SIGN YOUR STUPID PETITION!

YOU ARE ALL CRAZY AS CAN BE AND YOU KNOW IT!

I called Senator Kerry's office on Friday.

His aide said there is NO talk by Kerry of bringing up the Downing Street memo.

He agreed with me that in all likely hood based on reading the entire agreement that it was designed to be leaked to Saddam to convince him that Bush was serious about invasion if he did not allow the weapons inspectors to do their job. We both reread the conclusions in the memo and the statements made by others in the same memo that contradict what "C" supposedly said.

There was also a note of DISDAIN in the Kerry aides voice when I mentioned Conyers and his petition and demands regarding this memo.

There are several possibilities with this memo:

Rycroft wanted to go to war and was making the memo appear to indicate that America was already committed OR Dearlove wanted to go to war and was determined to make Blair think Bush had already committed OR the memo was meant to be leaked to SADDAM as proof that Bush was committed unless Saddam let the inspectors in OR it is a forgery since NOBODY in England has confirmed this memo (they have ignored it since 5/1/05) OR it represents one man's opinion of statements several others in his circle may have or MAY NOT HAVE said OR he just got it WRONG!

I'm starting to get a really creepy feeling about the fact the D S Minutes were first revealed in a Murdoch paper. Also that the Bushco has remained silent-neither confirming or denying it.
I hope to God this doesn't play out as the Rather memo.

I posted the last comment before I saw that Kerry was going to bring it to Senate floor.
That is way cool. Yeahhh!!!!
The creepy feeling must have dribbled down from the post above me.

Colleen #41

Do not forget that there is a lot of corroborating evidence. The Clarke book mentions it. Some others who quit the admin mention it.

And the Haliburton contract, which was awarded a good six months prior to the invasion, which has been classified, was a contract whereby Halliburton would "take care of" the Iraqi oilfields.

All these things work together to make a convincing case, and thus the attempts to water it down are inapposite.

This was a British document. The British think it's pretty serious. It cost Blair seats in parliament and strengthened his opposition; had it not been for the fragmented nature of that opposition, he might have lost his job as prime minister.

If this is another Dan Rather deal, the British people have been fooled, too. And they've been smarter than we have about Iraq. So why not let them sort it out?

So Kerry at his old abetting&distracting tricks again. Remember LAST TIME Conyers was bringing the heat, with the inquiry into Clint Curtis's testimony & the Ohio stolen election? Kerry jumped into then too. Same thing too when Sen. Barbara Boxer (who answered Conyers and officially contexted the stolen election) started chewing the Repugs out over the illegal war in Iraq. Notice a trend here? No? Guess its just me then.

Here's an idea!!! lets try not to let the media hypnotize us about "electibility" this time, and lets send the only 2 fighters for democracy that exist in our Capital right now - JOHN CONYERS & BARBARA BOXER FOR PRESIDENT!!

John Conyers and Sen. Barbara Boxer should be on the next Presidential Ticket. Don't give me that "electibility" bullsh*t because last we did that we got f*cked by two sides of the same stick (my new reference to skull&bones).

I'm serious. Who else in the entire US House and Senate has shown the strength to stand up for democracy? We could have have the 1st african american & the 1st woman take the oval office at the same time - and it won't be because of democraphics or politics - it will be because they were the only 2 to actually represent democracy when nobody else did.

Oh, yeah, and impeach the bush admin too >> http://www.bangornews.co...news/templates/?a=114420

ps. feel free to repost my comments on other blogs, since I've noticed some already are doing this.

Whew, busy day.

We (20 of us) have just wrapped up posting about 4,000 funny sounding names on John Conyers "petition".

Busy busy busy little beavers we have been.

#44 Sojo --- It's not just you. I've noticed too. I've also noticed through decades of observation that when you think somebody is just holding back, just carrying out a grand plan, just waiting for the right moment --- nothing ever happens. Almost 100% of the time. Going for the real people right from the start is the best policy.

Boxer and Conyers. I'll go for that.

One signature per ISP. It's is in line with his other stupid posts that he spent all that time posting 4,000 names that will all be rejected, save a few.

Bob Bilse: I guess you never heard of PROXIFY have you? Or any of the other entities that will hide and/or camouflage your IP address.

You should know that there are plenty of ways to hide your ISP.

Besides Bob: AOL (and every other ISP) IP address is a range of numbers and reused all the time by different AOL members. Is Conyers going to invalidate all those AOL IP addresses? I think NOT!

Same guy, different IP addresses. I could do this all day BOB!

I could even make you think I was posting from your employers location!

Just noticed that Jimmo #39 is on Conyer's blog using the name Hank on his comment #211. I wonder how many names this guy has? Another dishonest rightie that thinks it's ok to cheat, steal, lie to get what he wants. How sad.

Brad - Did you save the posts from Jimmo you deleted when he was being a troll? I know you already have a collection of his usual IPs when he tries to pretend he's different people on here. His real ISP might want the information too.

You might also want to forward those "confession" posts from "Jimmo" to Conyers' office

Anybody here familiar with internet law re: fraud?

Hey Jimmo!

Does any of the following sound familiar? It should, because if you're using Proxify, you signed a legally binding agreement.

"Proxify may not be used for any of the following forbidden uses:
For any illegal purpose including but not limited to the transmission or receipt of illegal material.
To contact or communicate with minors in a manner prohibited by law.
To violate copyrights or to break other forms of intellectual property law.
To engage in spamming, indiscriminate advertising, unsolicited commercial email, mass news posts, or any other kind of abuse of the net.
To transfer excessively large files. Files larger than a specified size are automatically cut off.
To feed a robot, automatic process, or other non-human browser.
To bypass blocking imposed by the owner of a bulletin board or discussion forum.
To threaten or harass others....

In accordance with our privacy policy, Proxify reserves the right to turn over the IP addresses of users who abuse our system either to the appropriate legal authorities, or to those against whom abuse has been perpetrated. Please contact us with any questions regarding our service or these policies. "

https://proxify.net/tos.shtml in case anyone wants to know.

BTW, here's how to report the abuse:

https://proxify.net/faq-e.shtml#e1

There's a link to send the report.

Have fun!

John Conyers is the most trusted politician I've ever seen. I'd sign anything for him, anytime. I'd vote for him for president. Why doesn't he run?

Good for you KES!

**GOTCHA** troll who calls himself (among a long list of other bogus names) - **No Name Needed, Hank, Lead Fish, Jimmo, Atty Jimmo, Skinner, thunk, hunk and J.**

He's been braggin about spamming the signature list on Conyers' blog for a couple of days now.

OooOoooOoo.

Just for the record it looks like Jimmo/Hank/Hunk/Thunk/No Name Needed/Lead Fish/Jimmo/Atty Jimmo/J is in hot water over at John Conyers' site today, as well:

Comment #26: **thunk** said on 6/4/05 @ 5:55pm ET...

[DELETED THUNK'S POST AND HAVE CONTACTED AOL, HIS ISP, WITH HIS IP ADDRESS. HE DOESN'T READ THE RULES AND IS ALSOIN VIOLATION OF HIS USER AGREEMENT WITH AOL]

#46 Arry, well as long as they misrepresent my comments I'm ok with that. Perhaps I should start up my own blog. Also, what you say hits home even for me. Just the advice I needed.

As for this JIMMO character. Its rather ez to tell if someone is posting under false, fake IP addresses. Just ignore 'em. This is a very high quality blog site, as is evident by the fact that trolls are so easily spotted. Their gibberish clearly stands out. Just ignore them and pay them no commentary. I won't after this post.

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I have been saying since spring of '02 that this Bush admin has to be removed from office. I said that then because the policies they were putting out appeared to be a direct attack to everything this country stood for. Since then all the events that followed (9.11, Iraq war, stolen election II) have convinced me that he will be eventually impeached and incarcerated - along with many others. When I said it 3 years ago everyone thought I was crazy. Now most realize this is the ideal thing if our democracy is to even attempt to survive. Never let the naysayers distract or dissuade you from what you believe is right, because you will eventually win.

OOPS!

correction(#56): as long as they DON'T misrepresent my comments I'm ok with that.

Morning all. Hows the world treating you today? Rotten as always right? I guess that is why you all hate America so much and our military.

Busy day ahead for our little group. Posting posting posting.

Morning all. Hows the world treating you today? Rotten as always right? I guess that is why you all hate America so much and our military.

Busy day ahead for our little group. Posting posting posting.

Downing Street memo not mentioned a SINGLE time on Stephanoupolis today!

Biden also chided Howard Dean for his rhetoric, and said America is sending a bad message to the UN by sending Bolton, who he says will get confirmed, with a vote of 45 to 55.

Mr. Biden, aren't the DEMOCRATS sending the wrong message to the UN by NOT voting for a tough person like Bolton that is needed there?

How many of you left wing nuts have ever worked for a company going broke or in trouble? Don't you rejoice when they bring in somebody tough that will turn it around and make the hard decisions? Or do you want a marshmallow?

We all know the truth: you never had any jobs!

Oh, by the way. George Stephanoupolis ran a clip of Nixon's tapings where he and Haldemann discussed that the FBI leaker was Mark Felt. I guess this was no secret back in 1973 and they knew why he was doing it: payback!

Sojo #56 - Sorry, I usually ignore trolls too, but amateurs who act like bratty little script kiddies just torque my jaws.

If ya can't run with the big dogs, ya ougtta stay on the porch with the pups.

HEY JIMMO!

Just keep typin buddy.. I'm sure you have nothing to fear from the 6 or 7 of us.

John Conyers is the most trusted politician I've ever seen. I'd sign anything for him, anytime. I'd vote for him for president. Why doesn't he run?
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A large percentage of John Conyers' constituents are Muslims. He is in the pocket of so-called Islamic civil rights groups, some with ties to Al Qaeda.
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If President Bush was guilty of all the things you fine people accuse him of then he OUGHT TO BE IMPEACHED. (And I would be right there with you!) Bring it on. Bring on the Bill of Impeachment. Why isn't anyone bringing a Bill of Impeachment? Why doesn't Senator Ted Kennedy bring a Bill of Impeachment; he's been calling the president a liar for years. The reason Senator Kennedy can't bring a Bill of Impeachment is that he knows the whole thing is a lie.
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Take the Haliburton smear, for instance: you guys do know that Haliburton got those same no-bid contracts under the Clinton administration, don't you? So, did Clinton and Gore involve the United States in the Balkans to benefit Halliburton?

This thread has an inordinate amount of troll-trash in it. Clinton awarded a contract to Halliburton. That doesn't make it right for Dick Cheney to get it done for his old cronies.

Anybody who thinks everything Clinton did was right, and all Bush does is wrong, is as big a clown as the troll who used it for a justification. It's only one of many warts on the frog, but it's there, nevertheless.

If Brad and Conyers wanted to get together and do it, they could make a lot of trouble for the limp troll who's claiming he's Fred Flintstone/Mickey Mouse (bloody social-climber!) on Conyers list. An internet fraud case like this, if pushed by a congressman, could bring serious consequences, if he's actually doing it. I doubt he's really doing that much, just trying to pull everyone's chain. That's his past history. He's getting sand on the brain from having his head buried in it.

Bush is only guilty of being a dimwit puppet. The targets are those behind the curtain making his mouth move (in a very dissassembling way, if you've noticed. May his wings take dream).

Somewhere I saw a link to this picture - it certainly tells a story ...

“I Will Provide A Cause For The War Whether True Or Not Is Irrelevant For Propaganda Purposes” ~~ Adolf Hitler

The courts have upheld the election where a Washington State GOP lawsuit sought to overturn the election (link here).

AnnRice #63

"Clinton awarded a contract to Halliburton."

Actually presidents can't do that.

But at any rate the Clinton era contract was not classified and awarded months before an invasion had already been planned while the president, vice president, national security advisor, and secretary of defense lied about it in the public eye.

Equating the two is like equating drinking coffee with drinking sulfuric acid.

Jimmo I have some new names for you after your felony conviction:

oFellon, Jimmy Zero, Why Won't They Let Me Go Online In Here, Convicted of Being Me, I lied and cheated and This Is What I Get?, My Group Groped, Jimmy The Geek Felon, I Lose, It's Hell Being In Here With Bush's Dick, Cheney And All of Me.

Dredd, you raise an interesting issue here. If the Bush crowd wind up in jail eventually (as did Nixon's flunkies Liddy, Hunt, Colson, Haldeman, Ehrlichmann et al.), what will our troll friends' fate become?

Will they be unindicted co-conspirators? Aiders and abettors after the fact of political crimes? Who will pay them for their one-line zingers after that?

How will an ex-troll apply for a mainstream job, with Fox Network discredited, military recruiters banned from schools and campuses, the Christian right having lost its funding, and the likes of Ken Blackwell and Tom Feeney making license plates in Leavenworth?

Maybe I shouldn't speak too soon. Liddy and Ollie North wound up with radio gigs, and Colson is a candidate for sainthood.

Dredd (#66), thanks for the details. My point was made that way because these neocon apologists always operate in such a "I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I" fashion. Anytime you make a strong point, their first reaction is to search for something that will attempt to deflect you away from the point, rather than directly debate it.

A classic example of how they operate: even though this president was an alcoholic, coke-snorting prick as a young man, whose daddy influence-peddled to get him into the National Guard, and then promptly went AWOL, the blitzkrieg of propaganda against John Kerry's bonafide service actually took the focus away from Bush's sorry personal history. To this day, grasping this issue is like trying to nail Jello to the wall.

Also, BRAD, you should consider pursuing getting this clown busted. It can be done, and you should do it. He's a malicious little turd.

AnnRice, I'm glad you started posting here, again! I've always enjoyed your comments! You go, girl!

I'm a canuck who is pretty politically aware, but I have just recently ventured into the blogosphere. At this point I'm just reading. I've been following the Brad blog (among others) for the past week now. Although I'm not American, it would be naive for us up here not to acknowledge that what Dubya does has an affect far outside your borders. Are signatures other than those of U.S. citizens allowed on Rep. Conyers letter?
And jimmo, you're such a hoser, eh?

Hey RILEDUPONE, may I extend a welcome to the Blog! Canucks are welcome here. In answer to your question regarding Conyers' letter, here's a site you can visit:

Downing Street Memo .com

Congressman John Conyers is calling on **American citizens** to sign on to a letter to the President that demands a response to questions originally posed by Conyers and 88 other members of Congress in a similar letter dated May 5, 2005. Conyers has committed to personally delivering the letter to the White House when it garners 100,000 250,000 citizen signatures.

Maybe there should be a companion letter with signatures from citizens around the world. That might be a real kicker, eh? We're all so worried about a nuclear event ... and with knuckle-dragging miscreants behind the wheel ...

This is the first time I've posted a link so I hope it works. The Washington Post ran an article today containing poll numbers showing the majority of Americans believe Bush is "ignoring public concerns". The article in WP online is http://www.washingtonpos...05/06/07/AR2005060700296.

I hope this link works.

Kira, thanks for the welcome and the link. I checked out the site. I may not be able to sign the letter, but I'll continue to keep my eyes open for a way to show my support.

The link didn't work, RILEDUPONE, and this is the only story I found with the teaser "Bush ignoring public concerns" --

Post-ABC Poll: Americans Say War in Iraq Has Not Made U.S. Safer

Is this the one? For anyone who can't read articles because they don't wanna register, try this:

Let me read ...

And to help with making links ---
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AnnRice #68 In the formal logic of debate what you describe is the "straw man" argument.

Yes, trolls are quite prone to use that ill advised tactic.

The really interesting thing about it is that they believe they are bringing valid arguments.

They need to get logic and debate textbooks and reread them. Symbolic logic would help too ... maybe.

RiledUpOne #73

To post a link use this format:

[a href="link_url_goes_here.html" target="_blank"]Description Here[/a]

The "[" and "]" need to be replaced with "" in your actual post. The brackets are used so the whole thing will show up in this example and not be turned into an actual link. All you can see in an actual link is the "Description Here" text which will be of a different color, and when clicked on, will open a new window with the URL page in it.

RLM #67 "trollin trollin trollin, keep them neocons trollin, raw lies, don't try to understand em, just charge, convict, and jail em, soon they'll be found high and dry ..."

Ah Dredd!! LOLOL #66 & 75 your troll humor is exquisite.

Now the song "Raw Lies" is playing over & over in my head! I especially like the sound of the cracking BULL-whip. Head 'em up, move 'em out!!

Funny stuff.

would like to sign up to impeach president george w. bush/ thank you

Hi Arnold Drane:

Impeach - Petitions