Valerie Plame Wilson Describes Sibel Edmonds Disclosures as ‘Stunning’

Says She Has Been Following Recent Blockbuster Series in British Paper Concerning U.S. Nuclear Secrets Espionage, Allegations That Her Cover Company, Brewster Jennings, Was Exposed by a Former High-Ranking State Department Official as Far Back as 2001...

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Former CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson says the recent disclosures in the UK’s Sunday Times concerning the sale of U.S. nuclear secrets to the foreign black market, as aided by high-ranking government officials, are “stunning.”

The previously covert agent, who had worked in the agency’s counter-proliferation division for years monitoring traffic in the nuclear black market under the guise of a cover company named Brewster Jennings until being outed by Bush Administration officials, was asked about the recent series of explosive stories in the British paper during an interview this morning with Florida radio host Henry Raines of American AM.

Those disclosures include allegations that Brewster Jennings’ real identity as a CIA front company was outed to Turkish officials by then-Asst. Sec. of State for European Affairs Marc Grossman as early as 2001…

A text transcript of the interview, as well as the audio, is now posted at the end of this article.

The series of three Times stories so far has corroborated information detailed by former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds. Edmonds has been gagged by the Bush Administration’s Department of Justice in this country under the “State Secrets Privilege” since 2002, disallowing her from speaking about her work at the bureau. In a BRAD BLOG exclusive late last year, Edmonds announced she would disclose all of the information she’d be barred from revealing to any major U.S. broadcast media outlet that would allow her to tell the full story.

Every U.S. mainstream media outlet failed to take up her offer, though the London Times contacted her through us after we ran our story. After they subsequently ran their first blockbuster in the series early last month, the story became front page news around the world, yet the U.S. media continue, incredibly enough, to ignore it.

The second and third articles in the Times series allege a “senior State Department” official participated, along with a network of moles at sensitive nuclear instillations and military bases, in the sale of nuclear secrets to American allies and enemies alike. The official has subsequently been identified as Grossman, a former U.S. Ambassador to Turkey, and, at the time of the alleged disclosures, the #3 State Department official beneath Colin Powell and Richard Armitage.

Grossman, according to the Times’ and Edmonds’ allegations, even tipped off Turkish officials, as long ago as 2001, to the fact that Plame Wilson’s Brewster Jennings was a CIA cover company. Grossman denies the charges.

While Plame Wilson offered today that she has “no insight” into the story, other than what has been published by the Times, she joined Edmonds and other whistleblowers such as Daniel Ellsberg in her criticism of the U.S. mainstream media for failing to investigate and report on the story.

“I think it’s very interesting that it’s showing up across the pond and not here at all, in any of our newspapers,” Plame Wilson said.

“It’s fair to say that in general the American media has been extremely intimidated, it’s been supine, and I think it’s let the American people down,” she explained, pointing to the run-up to the Iraq War when the U.S. media, “took simply what the Administration was dishing up and didn’t question it, didn’t analyze it, didn’t go seek secondary sources. And look where we are today as a result of that.”

While noting that there are “a couple of brighter spots” in the media, Plame Wilson said it’s “sort of thin gruel out there right now.”

Her comments echo ones made recently in an op/ed originally published by The BRAD BLOG by Ellsberg, the legendary former Defense Department official who released the explosive “Pentagon Papers” to the New York Times in the 70’s. He excoriated the U.S. media in light of their failure to cover Edmonds’ disclosures, charging that they were “participating in a cover-up of information.”

“Many, if not most, covert operations deserve to be disclosed by a free press. They are often covert not only because they are illegal but because they are wildly ill-conceived and reckless,” Ellsberg wrote in reference to the disturbing allegations in the Edmonds case. “Such activities persist, covertly, to the point of national disaster because the press neglects what our First Amendment was precisely intended to protect and encourage it to do: expose wrongdoing by officials.”

Former CIA agent Philip Giraldi recently covered the latest Edmonds allegations in some depth, filling in a few details in an article titled “Found in Translation” published by American Conservative Magazine. A few days later he joined the call for additional media coverage, as well as investigations by elected officials, in a subsequent article, “Sibel Edmonds Must be Heard” published at Huffington Post.

When Raines expressed to Plame Wilson during today’s interview that he felt the allegations bear further investigation she said again, “I agree! It is stunning,” adding, “It’s a very frustrating period…I don’t have any terrific suggestions on how to get this story played in the United States.”

When asked about the allegations that Grossman outed her covert Brewster Jennings network, she said she was unable to speak to those charges.

“Not only can I say, ‘no comment,’ but I mean ‘no comment’ because I don’t know anything to add to it,” she claimed. “Certainly during the run-up to the war and until I was outed, I was focused almost to the exclusion of anything else on just trying to run safe and effective operations, trying to figure out what the hell was going on in Iraq, what were the scientists, what were they doing, where were their secret sites.”

Edmonds is currently unavailable for comment while traveling. If we’re able to hear from her, we’ll update this story appropriately.

BRAD BLOG articles from our own long series of coverage and exclusives on the Sibel Edmonds case can be read here.

American AM’s entire interview with Plame Wilson is approximately 30 minutes. The portion during which the Edmonds allegations are discussed begins near the :20 minute mark. That section of the interview has been transcribed below, thanks to VelvetRevolution.us’ Emily Levy. MP3 download here, or listen online below…

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HENRY RAINES:I imagine that you still follow closely news about the topic that you were working on, the counter-proliferation.

VALERIE PLAME WILSON: Oh, absolutely. I, between that and terrorism, those are the two primary most critical threats facing our nation today.

RAINES: There’s a really disturbing series of articles, investigative articles, that have been appearing in the Times of London over the last month or so, I think there’ve been three installments so far “¦

VPW: Yes, mm-hmm.

RAINES: “¦and there’s practically a mainstream news blackout here in the United States. We’ve done numerous shows on it since the very first installment came out. In fact, we about a week and a half ago we interviewed the first person to have a column or article written in a American daily newspaper, which was the North Mississippi Journal. So, you know, we hear all these worries and concerns about Iran building this or “¦

VPW: Mm-hmm.

RAINES: “¦ some other country building that, but the story in the Times of London front page, respected newspaper, is about the third highest person in the State Department, identified in the American Conservative as Marc Grossman “¦

VPW: Mm-hmm.

RAINES: “¦ actually selling our secrets to Turkey and to Israel, and then Turkey would resell them to Pakistan “¦

VPW: Right. No, it’s stunning. I’ve seen the series. I don’t, right, I think it’s very interesting that it’s showing up across the pond and not here at all, in any of our newspapers. I have no insight into it, any more than what you’re reading, but it’s very interesting. But I think, I think it’s fair to say that in general the American media has been extremely intimidated, it’s been supine, and I think it’s let the American people down. Look at the run-up to the war with Iraq, for starters, and how, again in general, they took simply what the Administration was dishing up and didn’t question it, didn’t analyze it, didn’t go seek secondary sources. And look where we are today as a result of that. I think the media understands this and is grappling with these issues but because of consolidation and increasingly shrinking budgets, foreign and otherwise, devoted to any sort of investigative or foreign reporting, we’re just going to, it’s sort of thin gruel out there right now, with a couple of brighter spots, but pretty thin otherwise.

RAINES: And how would you suggest our audience can help this story see the light of day? Because it’s just amazing to me, an act of, I’m not a legal scholar on this, but an act of treason, I would think, when the third highest person in the State Department is selling this, bears investigation.

VPW: I agree! It is stunning. As I’ve traveled across the country speaking in the last couple of months, it is clear to me that Americans of all political stripes are really hungry for information. And it comes to, it’s so watered down, and you don’t, of course, know the veracity of what it is you’re reading, whether it’s on the Internet or whether it’s mainstream media. It’s a very frustrating period. And I, I don’t have any terrific suggestions on how to get this story played in the United States. Maybe they do have plans, I don’t know if they have a sort a sister paper in the United States for it to run here.

RAINES: Well, it would be, I don’t know, Fox News. It’s a Rupert Murdoch paper. Wouldn’t be hard to get the story out if the motivation was there. I understand from Sibel Edmonds that it is, the investigation is increasing. The Times of London is putting more resources into it because it’s becoming a prestigious investigation there.

In our last couple of minutes, I want to ask you one more question related to that “¦ because the third installment of the story deals directly, well, you can’t acknowledge it directly, but is very similar to what the firestorm around you was. Because the same State Department official is alleged to have tipped off the American Turkish Council “¦

VPW: Mm-hmm.

RAINES: “¦ which was going to hire a firm called Brewster Jennings, which would have given an insight into what was going on, he tipped them off and said, ‘Don’t hire them, they’re “¦”

VPW: Yeah.

RAINES: “”¦ CIA.” That’s got to be disturbing to you.

VPW: Not only can I say, ‘No comment,’ but I mean ‘no comment’ because I don’t know anything to add to it. Certainly during the run-up to the war and until I was outed, I was focused almost to the exclusion of anything else on just trying to run safe and effective operations, trying to figure out what the hell was going on in Iraq, what were the scientists, what were they doing, where were their secret sites. For me personally it wasn’t until Colin Powell, General Colin Powell, gave his speech before the U.N. in February 2003, right before the war, that, as I write in my book, it was sort of the first time that I got my head out of the operational weeds and said, “Wait a minute. What he is saying does not match with my, with my understanding and my knowledge of the intelligence on this issue.” And I would, I just felt absolutely sick because I knew that what he was saying, it sounded much more robust than what it was in reality. And I just thought, uh!, I just hope someone well above me in the ranks knew, had much better access to information than I did, because it just did not match up. I felt absolutely sick at heart about it.

RAINES: I apologize to our listeners, they’ve been ringing off the hook but Alan and I have decided to keep Valerie Plame Wilson all to ourselves “¦

VPW: [laughs]

RAINES: “¦ and we’ve got 60 seconds, Alan, if you want to get something else in here.

ALAN CROSS: Just real quick question. In your book Fair Game: My Life as a Spy, My Betrayal by the White House , I guess the question I have is, did you work as a lone operative all by yourself, or did you have a team of people that worked for you?

VPW: I think that’s one of the constructs that Hollywood constantly makes. We think of The Bourne Identity identity or James Bond, the fact is that we’re, you are never alone. It is always a team effort. It is not some rogue operator out there changing into his tux to walk into some casino in Monaco. You have the analysts, you have the technical people, you have the folks that are putting together the questions, you have your surveillance team. It really is a team effort. And the people working, my former colleagues at the CIA for the most part are very smart, extremely dedicated people that right now are laboring under a heavily politicized yoke and I hope that that direction can be changed in the future.

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  1. 3)
    molly said on 2/12/2008 @ 5:15pm PT: [Permalink]

    Our media isn’t covering this story because we have state media. That is anything that goes out has to be approved by the govt. How often does MSM cover election fraud? I am disappointed in Amy Goodman and Randi Rhodes…but I am sure they are not allowed to cover either one of these stories.

  2. 4)
    Ancient said on 2/12/2008 @ 7:14pm PT: [Permalink]

    Hey WOW… wildly off. Amy, I’ll vouch for, Randi I don’t know. Never hear her, but summizing your wildly wrong. I know Amy had Brad on! Whats up Molly?

    {ED NOTE: I’ve never been on Amy’s show. – BF}

  3. 5)
    Ancient said on 2/12/2008 @ 7:26pm PT: [Permalink]

    Its ALL just scared rabbit syndrome, if ya ask me. Its democracyblowing.
    The fact NO INVESTIGATIONS, is GROSS INJUSTICE!

  4. 6)
    nigel said on 2/12/2008 @ 7:50pm PT: [Permalink]

    It is sad that the FBI is making a big deal of just arresting two people for spying for China. In comparison to this, they were just stealing pencils from the office.

  5. 7)
    John Dowd said on 2/12/2008 @ 10:15pm PT: [Permalink]

    I listened to the audio. I recommend listening to the whole thing. VP at one point was talking about how after working with the CIA’s Publication Review Board for over a year, the CIA informed her that she must not publish over half of her memoirs, because they divulged the dates of her employment with the CIA, and that information was classified. That got my attention, and so I went to the page she mentioned, and WOW, THAT is interesting:

    Check it out here:


    http://www.fairgameplame.com/

    The details are amazing, and seem like KGB or more like Boris and Natasha, except for how chilling it is to have these things actually happening–just bizarre stuff.

  6. 8)
    socrates said on 2/12/2008 @ 11:23pm PT: [Permalink]

    Breaking News: Roger Clemens Seems To Have Been On The Juice

    Arlen Specter Investigating The New England Patriots

    DailyCIAKOS Says There Is No Election Fraud

    Nothing to see here, please move along.

    Personally, I do not believe there is a need for the cia, nsa, and all of these other mickey mouse war mongering and corrupt institutions. We the people have been spied on. We have cointelpro like crap all over the internet making every real story look like a kooky conspiro-tainment production.

    Bob Marley said rasta don’t don’t work for no cia.

    Sibel Edmonds is a beautiful and courageous woman.

  7. 9)
    Dredd said on 2/13/2008 @ 5:50am PT: [Permalink]

    Valarie and Sibel. Stay away from GITMO. Supreme bushie says courts can’t stop torture:

    Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia rejected the notion that US courts have any control over the actions of American troops at Guantanamo Bay, argued that torture of terror detainees is not banned under the US Constitution and insisted that the high court has no obligation to act as a moral beacon for other nations.

    “We don’t pretend to be some Western Mullahs who decide what is right and wrong for the whole world,” Scalia told a BBC interviewer Tuesday, defending narrow interpretation of the reach the US Constitution gives the nine justices on the country’s high court.

    Scalia said it was “extraordinary” to suggest that the 8th Amendment, which prohibits the government from engaging in “cruel and unusual punishment,” could be applied to the actions of US interrogators questioning foreign subjects detained overseas. In his view, Scalia said that while the 8th Amendment would prohibit locking up someone indefinitely as punishment for a crime, for example, the CIA or military would be perfectly justified keeping a suspected insurgent or member of al Qaeda imprisoned forever if the detainee refused to answer questions.

    (Scalia wags tongue). What fascism? What election machine problems?

  8. 10)
    the zapkitty said on 2/13/2008 @ 6:22am PT: [Permalink]

    FISA… Actually, we may be fighting with a specialized version of a classic Rovian Noise Machine for the attention of the legislators.

    There were, and have been in past votes on this issue, some reports of certain Senator’s offices getting 60% of their calls in favor of immunity. Now…. either the wingnuts are vastly more popular than the polls would have us believe… or the wingnuts are vastly more organized than they’ve ever given any indication of being before… or a specialized lobbying campaign is being targeted at legislators… probably at legislators regarded as weak, vulnerable, or otherwise malleable.

    These reports were from Daily Kos commenters and were, perforce, carefully worded to avoid the dkosian headliners reflexive banning of anyone posting anything they even think might even resemble a “conspiracy theory”… but this much filtered through: someone’s got a fairly organized and probably funded effort going on to lie wholesale to legislators about an imaginary wave of popular support for telecom immunity and warrantless wiretapping.

    That they were deceived won’t save the legislators from the wrath of the voters come primary day… assuming the voters are allowed any wrath… but a Noise Machine operation wouldn’t care about that. The damage will have already been done.

    How to check this out? How to verify it? How to counter it NOW… when the Bush Dogs in the House are already being given their marching orders and Pelosi is planning a graceful cave-in with Boehner’s help?

  9. 11)
    mr.ed said on 2/13/2008 @ 7:39am PT: [Permalink]

    So, now who’s the traitor? Finally, we find the name of the inside guy who torpedoed Plame’s project. Now, how did this find its way onto Cheney’s desk? Who did that? More names, please.

  10. 14)
    the zapkitty said on 2/13/2008 @ 10:49am PT: [Permalink]

    … Dredd wondered…

    “Yep, and “somebody” might have given them free long distance and special phone lines for the exercise??”

    Now that’s conspiracy theorizing… and no evidence for any of your suppositions 😉

    But finding out the percentages of calls/faxes/emails to House members that are for/against the Senate bill and comparing those percentages with area and national polls to see if they’re even in the same spacetime continuum seems both reasonable and necessary.

    Even a “vocal minority” would seem hard put to get a Democratic Senator’s call ratio up to 60/40 in favor of this Orwellian nightmare… which is the kind of range that has been reported in several dkos comments over the past few months.

    The input of voters can only be a part of this battle… but it would be plain stupid to throw away any of our efforts with the trite phrase “The wingnuts have a better phone campaign”…

    … without ever bothering to check out if that was actually the case when the call ratios are so very far off of what Americans have actually stated that they wanted.

    First check the possibility. Then verify any results.

    And then make sure that the …”moderate”… House Dems understand that it won’t be the wingnut phone calls that will be throwing their asses out of Congress at the next primary if they bend over for Bush again.

  11. 15)
    mick said on 2/13/2008 @ 10:58am PT: [Permalink]

    Loosely connected 91-1 info for those interested.

    237 nuke handling deficiencies cited since 2001

    now some quotes from article …
    “The response he received went only as far back as June 2001 because the ACC Safety database no longer has any records of Dull Sword incidents from 1992 to 2001, said Maj. Thomas Crosson, an ACC spokesman. Air Force officials could not explain why those incidents got deleted from the database.”

    “Dull Sword is a term used by the Defense Department to describe a nuclear incident like Bent Spear, Broken Arrow and Nucflash. A Nucflash, which is a nuclear weapons accident that could create the risk of war, is the most extreme. A Broken Arrow is an accident that is not expected to cause war. A Bent Spear is typified by a “significant incident” involving nuclear weapons, according to Air Force Policy Directive 91-1.”

    “The 509th Bomb Wing which operates the B-2 Spirit bomber at Whiteman Air Force Base, Mo., alone recorded 111 of the 237 safety deficiencies, by far the most for one wing. Meanwhile, the 5th Bomb Wing, the one responsible for mistakenly loading the six nuclear warheads had 45 incidents and the 2nd Bomb Wing at Barksdale had 50.”

    “Minot airmen with the 5th Bomb Wing loaded a dozen AGM-129 cruise missiles to the wings of a B-52 on the morning of Aug. 29 without realizing six of the missiles were loaded with nuclear warheads. The B-52 sat on the runway without special nuclear guard until it took off the next morning and landed at Barksdale when an airman with the 2nd Bomb Wing discovered the mistake nearly 36 hours after it was made.”

    “The opening statements, along with at least the first round of questions, will be open to the public. But the rest of the hearing will be closed.”

    and yes that was “Air Force Policy Directive 91-1” coincidence abound…

  12. 16)
    Dredd said on 2/13/2008 @ 11:03am PT: [Permalink]

    FYI:

    “This, I believe, is the right way to go for the security of the nation,” said Senator John D. Rockefeller, the West Virginia Democrat who leads the intelligence committee. His support for the plan, after intense negotiations with the White House and his Republican colleagues, was considered critical to its passage but drew criticism from civil liberties groups because of $42,000 in contributions that Mr. Rockefeller received last year from AT&T and Verizon executives.

    (NYT, emphasis added).

    So who should Siebel and Valerie bribe contribute to?

  13. 17)
    Dredd said on 2/13/2008 @ 11:42am PT: [Permalink]

    the zapkitty #14

    Indeed. Speaking of conspiracy theories, Sibel does not believe the bushie WTC 7, 1 & 2 conspiracy theory.

    A few days ago an engineer who designed and worked on components of the WTC for 35 years joins Sibel in doubting bushie conspiracy theories:

    I was Senior Project Design Engineer in charge of the design of the electrical systems for the WTC Complex in NY.

    Employed by the consulting and engineering firm, Joseph R. Loring & Associates, Inc., I was also a licensed Professional Engineer and was directly associated with ongoing projects at WTC for some 35 years before retiring in mid 1997.

    Though an electrical engineer by trade, I was also very familiar with the structures and their conceptual design parameters.

    (His Bio). Wow this guy is not a nut, but he does not believe the bushie version of reality. Here is what he says:

    On September 11, I watched the live TV broadcast of the progressive collapse of the World Trade Towers with disbelief, as the mass and strength of the structure should have survived the localized damage caused by the planes and burning jet fuel.

    I viewed the presentation of Richard Gage and other related material, which compels me to believe that the fuel and planes alone did not bring the Towers down. I, therefore, support the proposal to form an international group of professionals to investigate all plausible causes for the virtual freefall and the almost total destruction of the WTC structures.

    (ibid., emphasis added). Is an infection growing or is the truth growing?

    My opinion is that the bushies are more likely to be lying than hundreds of competent pilots, engineers and architects, professors, military experts, and others.

    Keep up the good work Sibel.

  14. 18)
    the zapkitty said on 2/13/2008 @ 12:49pm PT: [Permalink]

    And even before Dredd pinned his hopes on the House opposing the Senate FISA catastrophe the following Bush Dogs were busy delivering an ultimatum to Nancy Pelosi… cave or cave.

    And at this very minute… 2:25pm EDT 2-13-2008…. they are busy killing any hope of a time extension and are forcing a House vote for the Senate bill… and telco and Bush immunity. And this is happening NOW.

    The “Democrats” who are leading the House capitulation:
    (from mcjoan’s article at dkos)

    Rep. Leonard L. Boswell, D-Iowa — Phone: (202) 225-3806, Fax: (202) 225-5608
    Rep. Marion Berry, D-Ark. — Phone: (202) 225-4076, Fax: (202) 225-5602
    Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark. — Phone: (202) 225-3772, Fax: (202) 225-1314
    Rep. Earl Pomeroy, D-N.D. — Phone: (202) 225-2611, Fax: (202) 226-0893
    Rep. Robert E. “Bud” Cramer, D-Ala. — Phone: (202) 225-4801, Fax: (202) 225-4392
    Rep. Melissa Bean, D-Ill. — Phone: (202) 225-3711, Fax: (202) 225-7830
    Rep. Heath Shuler, D-N.C. — Phone: (202) 225-6401, Fax: (202) 226-6422
    Rep. John Barrow, D-Ga. — Phone: (202) 225-2823, Fax: (202) 225-3377
    Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Fla. — Phone: (202) 225-5235, Fax: (202) 225-5615
    Rep. Joe Baca, D-Calif. — Phone: (202) 225-6161, Fax: (202) 225-8671
    Rep. Dan Boren, D-Okla. — Phone: (202) 225-2701, Fax: (202) 225-3038
    Rep. John Tanner, D-Tenn. — Phone: (202) 225-4714, Fax: (202) 225-1765
    Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah — Phone: (202) 225-3011, Fax: (202) 225-5638
    Rep. Jim Cooper, D-Tenn. — Phone: (202) 225-4311, Fax: (202) 226-1035
    Rep. Lincoln Davis, D-Tenn. — Phone: (202) 225-6831, Fax: (202) 226-5172
    Rep. Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind. — Phone: (202) 225-4636, Fax: (202) 225-3284
    Rep. Tim Holden, D-Pa. — Phone: (202) 225-5546, Fax: (202) 226-0996
    Rep. Charlie Melancon, D-La. — Phone: (202) 225-4031, Fax: (202) 226-3944
    Rep. Dennis Moore, D-Kan. — Phone: (202) 225-2865, Fax: (202) 225-2807
    Rep. Christopher Carney, D-Pa. — Phone: (202) 225-3731, Fax: (202) 225-9594
    Rep. Zack Space, D-Ohio — Phone: (202) 225-6265, Fax: (202) 225-3394

    Call.

    Now.

    But be aware… some will now just lie when you call. My representative’s office lied to me about their position and others have reported similiar lies.

    Don’t let that stop you. Make it clear that you know what they are doing and that you will not forget whatever they may do this day… and you will remember it come the next election day.

  15. 20)
    liz said on 2/13/2008 @ 4:00pm PT: [Permalink]

    The media is complicit in the demise of America. If they would only tell my story too.
    I have fake forged remand orders from the Social Security Administration Appeals Council in my SS Disability file. The Inspector General must go play golf everyday because he just closed the investigation and I am told to ” just get over the abuse”….
    I feel like I live in Russia or Nazi Germany and it won’t be long til you do too.

  16. 21)
    the zapkitty said on 2/13/2008 @ 7:13pm PT: [Permalink]

    (Last FISA interuption… and my belated apologies to those following the Wilson and Edmonds threads.)

    An attempt to hijack the House’s proposed “Protect America Act” extension and ram through the Senate FISA abortion in its stead was foiled tonight by Representative Conyers and House parliamentarians.

    In the House Rep. Conyers called non-germane on a “Bush Dog”-led attempt to hijack the House PAA extension bill via an amendment substituting the text of the Senate FISA bill instead. When the matter was voted on the House found that the amendment was indeed not germane to the bill.

    Whereupon a weird combination of Republicans, Bush Dogs, and progressives voted to kill the PAA extension altogether.

    The progressives know that the PAA is an atrocious law that was never really needed in the first place… and the R’s and the dogs just want to terrify the House Dems into submission with another “terrorists will eat you” time squeeze.

    Therefore… barring Pelosi, Hoyer, and Rahm egging each other on into another capitulation… when the PAA expires this weekend the original and still perfectly good FISA law will be in effect again.

    Keep calling… especially the Bush Dogs. Be firm and polite but don’t let the dogs’ various staff lie to you about “not knowing” where their bosses stand on this issue. They know… and so do you.

    And when you get an answer one way or the other explain to the staffer that all too many Senators are now on record as having lied to their constituents while simultaneously caving in n FISA… so gently ask the staffers if they are sure that their principal isn’t lying at this time.

    When the staffer answers you can politly agree with them… the question serves to get the point across that you will remember any betrayal.

  17. 22)
    sadunkal said on 2/13/2008 @ 8:04pm PT: [Permalink]

    The Sibel Edmonds Documentary: KILL THE MESSENGER

    I also found THIS interesting. I didn’t know Obama was so afraid of Iran. Somebody better tell him about Sibel Edmonds. Even if Obama doesn’t really want to go to war with Iran and/or Pakistn he will be convinced that he should, unless he opens his eyes that is. I also didn’t know that he was related to Bush and Cheney, butit’s really from long ago.

  18. 23)
    Dredd said on 2/14/2008 @ 6:20am PT: [Permalink]

    Sibel and Valerie know spy stuff. Dredd knows congress stuff about spy bills:

    The blue bush dogs in the House could not get the retroactive telecom immunity into the bill days ago before the Senate began the current FISA vote, so it is not logical yet to think just because they are fascists that they will be able to now.

    There is only one less vote since Lantos died yesterday. The House already voted the retroactive immunity provision down before, and there is every reason to have the audacity of hope that they will again.

    Keep hope alive!!!

    (Dredd Sedd). David Edwards over at Raw Story made this observation concerning FISA:

    The fate of the surveillance law remains unclear.

    (Raw Story). I think Valarie and Sibel would be against spying on Americans. Sibel knows!

  19. 24)
    Vman said on 2/14/2008 @ 6:51am PT: [Permalink]

    The revelation of the outing of Brewster Jennings back in 2001 validates many of my postings and op-eds in where I claim that the Wilson Smear story was nothing but Rovian spin to distract from the destruction of Brewster Jennings.

    The entire Wilson ‘Smear’ angle was a set up from the start to create the excuse of the outing as being an effort to discredit Wilson. The main stream media (and most bloggers) swallowed and regurgitated this bullshit from the start and never once questioned this bogus story and excuse even though it originated from the WH.

    From the start Rove/Bush wanted ethical Plame out of there so they could lie with impunity about Iran when the time came…which is now.

    Treason By No Other Name

    Brewster Jennings True Target Not Wilson

  20. 26)
    Dredd said on 2/14/2008 @ 7:28am PT: [Permalink]

    RE #23 and the republican troll …

    Valerie and Sibel, stay away from McPain …

    The preznit blush has threatened to veto any bill that limits or forbids water torture a.k.a. waterboarding.

    So the conference committee reviewing the FISA bill (HR 2082), after it passed the Senate 68-29, attached a provision that forbids water torture.

    McCain voted against the provision but the Senate passed it anyway.

    If the preznit blush vetoes it he will veto the spy on america act and the retroactive immunity for telecoms provisions in the act.

    My guess is that if the conference bill gets thru the House, preznit blush will add a signing statement saying he will obey those parts he wants to and not obey the rest, instead of vetoing it as he promised. As usual for this “law and order” preznit blush.

  21. 27)
    the zapkitty said on 2/14/2008 @ 7:54am PT: [Permalink]

    Actually, Dredd… perhaps not.

    According to comments at various blogs last nights victory may have been just for show as well… because at 4pm yesterday the House Rules Committee passed a resolution setting up special rules just for Thursday, February 14, 2008 specific to a “bill addressing foreign intelligence surveillance”…

    It’s a very unusual type of rule and was last seen being used to ram an unamended version of the Senate’s original PAA act through the House (when the Senate did the cave’n’bail and left the House with no time to debate the issue)..

    … and it could be used to either ram through an unneeded but face-saving PAA extension today… or to ram through an unamended Senate FISA bill today.

    http://letters.salon.com/6658d5...r/index30.html

    Anyone want to place some bets?

  22. 28)
    Dredd said on 2/14/2008 @ 12:53pm PT: [Permalink]

    The House held Myers and Bolton in contempt, and passed a resolution directing an action against them. If the AG fails to do so, the resolution gives the House plaintiff status to bring the contempt issue before the Judicial Branch of Government, “the courts”.

    Boner cried, lied, and did a cut an run. FISA is on ice until the House gets good and ready to strip it of retroactive immunity.

    DAMN GOOD FOR THE DEMS!!! DAMN GOOD!!!!

  23. 29)
    calipendence said on 2/14/2008 @ 3:56pm PT: [Permalink]

    Vman #24! Damn Straight, and that’s probably also why British weapons expert David Kelly is now dead and subsequent investigations question that it was really a suicide like the original whitewash said it was. Not too much of a coincidence I think that his last emails were sent to Judith Miller.

  24. 30)
    anti-empire said on 2/14/2008 @ 4:24pm PT: [Permalink]

    Excellent post.

    Sibel Edmonds has snared one tentacle of the octopus that has been dealing in narcotics, nuclear secrets, and illegal weapons sales for decades. The blog Antifascist Calling has just posted another very detailed piece on this international criminal network, titled Deep State, Corporate Crime. It’s a must-read.

    Also, don’t miss Key Clinton Backer Guilty in Sibel Edmonds Case at the blog Let Sibel Edmonds Speak.

    The term “deep state” refers to a political system, composed of high-level elements within the military, security and intelligence services, the judicial branch, and important commanders of organized crime. Although the term originated to describe Turkey’s political system, it also correctly describes the USA, Great Britain, Pakistan, Israel, and others from roughly the 1970s through today. A peek at the ATC board members listed in Deep State, Corporate Crime gives one an idea of the numerous players who benefit politically and financially from deep state politics. Keep in mind the ATC board is one of hundreds of deep state lobbies and CIA cutouts created to carry out ilegal and deadly deep state activities.

    Deep state activities during the 1970s and 1980s are well documented, though higly complex. The now defunct bank BCCI was one of the primary institutions used to launder the money used in this illegal narcotics, nuclear, and weapons trade. Although it is well-known that BCCI functioned as the CIA’s money-laundering facility, Democratic Senator John Kerry helped whitewash the CIA’s connections to BCCI during the investigations of the failed bank’s criminal activities during poppy Bush’s presidency.

    While the Bush crime family is well-known, with poppy Bush a former CIA chief, and generations of war profiteering and graft, the role of the Clinton crime family in deep state politics is more well-hidden. Here are a few of Clinton’s connections to the 1990s deep state. Support of the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army, well-known for heroin trafficking, and the war on Serbia to ensure a secure flow of heroin from Turkey to western Europe is one. Another is the assistance governor Clinton provided to help cover for the CIA’s cocaine trafficking into Mena, AK. One of the best summaries of Bill Clinton’s connections to deep state politics is in this chart (top of page), depicting the relationships various Clinton associate had to BCCI, and this compilation of sales and thefts of weapons techology to China.

    To learn more about the USA’s deep state activities prior to 1990, start with The Politics of Heroin; CIA Complicity In The Global Drug Trade by Alfred McCoy, The Last Circle by Carolyn Marshall, and books by Peter Dale Scott.

    It’s a steep learning curve to bring oneself up to speed on decades of CIA and deep state criminal activity, but it is crucial to know the context of Sibel Edmonds’ revelations, 9-11, and the threat posed by unaccountable intelligence agencies that also control much of the world’s narcotics and illegal weapons trade. The threat posed to democratic societies, and the world in general, by intelligence agencies run amok makes CIA asset al Qaeda look like a cuddy teddy bear. The war on terror is a mere cover for the profits and operations of those who control deep state politics.

  25. 31)
    the zapkitty said on 2/14/2008 @ 4:29pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well, the House has adjourned and while there was a lot of Republican uproar at the time it seems that there was NO FISA capitulation today.

    Not even an unneeded-but-ass-covering PAA extension.

    Much as I’m loath to join Dredd in celebrations… given what both houses of Congress have done to us all time and again since 2006… I must say that the House Democrats deserve credit this day.

    They finally appear to have evolved a collective spine… let’s hope they like the combination of strength and flexibility such an evolutionary advantage offers and that they will exercise it every day.

  26. 32)
    Dredd said on 2/14/2008 @ 4:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    Right on The_Zapkitty … except I wish the dems would stop apologizing for being American every time they put a boot in those Amurkan asses!

    After all they work for us and we want to raise up America and put down Amurka.

    Every vote must count, government must disclose what it is doing, and there must be accountability.

    AND, as The_Zapkitty shows, all of us will back them when they are standing up for our beloved America.

  27. 33)
    ginger said on 2/14/2008 @ 4:55pm PT: [Permalink]

    For anyone who hasn’t seen or is unclear on the Sibel Edmonds case regarding Israeli and Turkish penetration/manipulation of our American national security made possible by the Neocons – check out the below video- it’s the best overview on the Sibel Edmonds penetration and expose of this Neocon war and lie machine I’ve seen. It’s a pretty snappy movie and a great overview – it sure blew my mind

    Sibel Edmonds: Kill The Messenger (must-see video)

    http://www.video.google.com/vid...80575212848283

    It’s the most complete synopsis/overview I’ve seen and gave me the necessary background/context to let me wrap my mind around this complex story. It’s 52 min long and excepting 2 minutes in the middle had me ‘glued to the tube’

  28. 35)
    Ancient said on 2/15/2008 @ 1:50pm PT: [Permalink]

    I know this is somewhat atithetical to this excellent thread, but I stand corrected. Sorry Brad and Molly, since it was a while back I think I got this Free Speech TV clip mixed up with Democracy Now’s Link TV.
    https://bradblog.com/?p=2007
    Though, I still say Molly, suggesting Amy Goodman isn’t allowed to report on election fraud is incorrect. I guess I’ll just have to be the media and try to find an answer.

  29. 36)
    Eagle said on 2/16/2008 @ 8:34am PT: [Permalink]

    #4 Ancient: Hey WOW… wildly off. Amy, I’ll vouch for, Randi I don’t know. Never hear her, but summizing your wildly wrong. I know Amy had Brad on! Whats up Molly?

    Wasn’t Randi recently attacked in a NY park? What was up with that mysterious facial paralysis Amy had for several months? Could these be scare tactics used on media? Reminds me of the Russian poisonings and threats.

    Also, Grossman may be a Jewish name. Why are there so many Jews in the government involved in high crimes? Just asking…

    #31 ZapKitty: I must say that the House Democrats deserve credit this day. They finally appear to have evolved a collective spine…

    The word is out on the streets about the dems. The polls show people are fed up with the lies, spies and scams. They want a drastic change from ‘business as usual’. The dems must, at least, act concerned.

  30. 37)
    Ancient said on 2/17/2008 @ 12:48pm PT: [Permalink]

    Hey, great site Eagle. Yeah, I believe anybody daring to speak the truth in a viable media forum most certainly is subjected to intimidation. Remember Olbermann’s anthrax attack? All the more reason to support them, IMHO! Amy has bell’s palsy, I heard her quip about what’s the big deal if someone has a physical condition on her show a while back. My dad who passed away recently got bell’s palsy from a misdiagnosed tumor putting pressure on the facial nerve, but I don’t know the cause of Amy’s. And PLEASE don’t let any rumors start. I did hear about the Randi Rhodes attack and have to admitt the same thought crossed my mind. Maybe their waiting till they steal the next election before they start making us disappear. Meanwhile, those brave folks are the targets. Kinda why I got upset at Molly for her comment.

  31. 38)
    Ancient said on 2/17/2008 @ 1:24pm PT: [Permalink]

    Ya know Eagle, since the msm is part of the operation, the general public just have no clue how far down this facist track we are. I think if they did realise, there would be a tsnunami of public outrage and we could get rid of those 2/3s of the senate FISA stools!

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