FIRST!!

(You know you're getting older when you realize that you now get UP at the hour you used to GO TO BED)

Brad et. al

I had an epiphany tonight! Want to tighten security on these machines? Or get rid of them all together?

Now before I say this - I'm an honest guy an am uncomfortable as hell with the though but it may be the only way...

Show me and everyone else how to hack the machines. The thought of thousands of progressive marching to the polls with the ability cheat and steal, as the repugs. did will most certainly get the machines protected.

I know it's fighting fire with fire butlet's even the playing field. How is congress gonna react knowing that we can steal the elections back?

Mind you I want to when fair and square in November so let's scare the hell out of them to get something done!

Peace,

Tony

Thanks for the new thread WP. You know your getting old and the thread is too long when you nap while loading. Good to have you back around.

#1 KBE,
Hahaha you're so right!

I wanted to give folks a heads-up on this 9/11 conference that was held in June & will be aired on CSPAN tonight. I found this on RawStory:

"9/11 and the NeoCon Agenda on CSPAN

On Saturday July 29 @ 8PM EST CSPAN will air a panel discussion from The American Scholars Symposium.

The panel consisting of academics, former military, and researchers, challenges the government's official story of what happened on 9/11."

If the 9/11 Commission Report section supplied in whole or part by NIST is so tight and so logical, why is NIST afraid to Debate the issue with 9/11 Scholars For Truth (Story Here)?

I think this war in Lebanon is splitting liberals and that sux . . . . . energy independance . . .

Winter Patriot sounds sad ?

Tony T #2

Here are some links to classes on computer hacking:

Ethical Hacking

Essentials of Hacking
If the US voting machines are hacked from a foreign country, the odds are 8 in 10 that it will be from Brazil (link here), and it is said that they are getting stronger by the day (link here).

The US election warlords who brag (falsely) about our elections being unhackable are, like Bush when he said 'bring it on', asking for more trouble than they can even imagine in their feeble brains.

The computer world knows different (link here).

http://www.canadafreepre...m/2006/hagmann072806.htm

Was Israel supose to wait for the nukuler Payload in dem der rockets ? ? ? ? ? Huh . . .

KestrelBrighteyes #1

Ain't that the truth -

Joan #4 - you beat me to it! - Here's a link about the conference with some more about it

Now the preview box is playing hide ans seek with me!

Tony T #2

Perhaps this might prove useful.

CSPAN1 set to broadcast American Scholars Symposium: 9/11 and The Neo-Con Agenda. http://www.americanscholarssymposium.org

7pm CST Saturday, July 29th and again 1:15pm CST Sunday, July 30th.
Schedule - http://inside.c-spanarch....csp?timeid=212020890879

Presenting panelists:

� Alex Jones - documentary filmmaker and syndicated radio host, http://www.infowars.com, http://www.prisonplanet.com
� Prof. James Fetzer - co-founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, http://www.st911.org
� Robert Bowman - member, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and former head of the Star Wars program, http://www.bowman2006.com
� Prof. Steven Jones - co-founder, Scholars for 9/11 Truth and physics professor at Bringham Young University, http://www.physics.byu.e...esearch/energy/htm7.html
� Webster Griffin Tarpley - author of "911 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA", "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography", http://www.tarpley.net

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Winter

I left you something Here

Thanks, BlueBear2. Now I got some.

what good are u n peace keepers in lebanon they don't keep peace. . . . . Fuckem . . .

I love the way Bush just sits back and watches for a week and a half, then says how there must be immediate peace - so we'll have a meeting on it next week!

To Tony in #2:

It's already been done, Tony. Bev Harris first published a redacted version of the latest security report, but then after there was almost no response, and very little coverage of the issues in the MSM, she published an unredacted version of Harri Hursti's report.

We're in a sorry state indeed.

As someone else pointed out on Salon a while back, If one side believes the other is cheating doesn't that suggest that they have to cheat too? They'd have to be fools not to, that person said. And now, here's Tony, suggesting exactly that.

See folks? See the road we're on? I believe fervently that we've all seen enough of this road. It doesn't require a lot of money or technology to have a transparent and fair election process. Just the will of the people.

So where are the people? Why are the comments appearing here by ones and twos, instead of hundreds and thousands? I feel like I'm on the Titanic after it has hit the iceburg, but before anything else has happened, and I'm running around shouting at people that the ship is sinking and they'd better start doing the life boats and all that. And people are saying why, you silly little conspiracist. This is our great vast Titanic democracy we're all riding on here. Nothing like a little iceburg could bother us. Nothing bad could possibly happen here.

Our democracy is sinking. It just hasn't quite stood on end to disappear beneath the waves forever. Not just yet. But it's going to get lots worse.

BB2 - Bush sits back and watches because he is a sadist. He's loving it. As a matter of fact, it's been reasonably asserted that he actually resents those in uniform who actually serve (for example, his dad - his arch rival) so why not sit back, watch, and enjoy anyone get extinguished. Beats sticking firecrackers inside of frogs like he did as a kid. He needs it and encourages it and helps make it happen because if he doesn't export enough visciousness he'll turn the need for it back onto himself...again. He's walking a very fine line. He's very ill. He's never fixed anything. All he's ever done is broken stuff, lied about it, made jokes of it, and made others pick up the pieces.

...and profit where he can.

... his idea of the purpose of getting buying an MBA.

"... John Dowd"
"So where are the people? Why are the comments appearing here by ones and twos, instead of hundreds and thousands?"

John Dowd I've been a regular here from the start and have spent thousands of hours reading about your elections and electoral system.
America is not a democracy, full stop.
In 2000 the SCOTUS condemned democracy to an early grave in America and in 2004 the likes of Blackwell in Ohio shoveled the dirt over the corpse.
Therefore democracy does not need saving it needs RESURRECTING as in :
res·ur·rect
To bring back to life; raise from the dead.
To bring back into practice, notice, or use.

As in History, the victor writes history, democracy in America, the alleged victor supports the alleged results and to question those results is you are labeled a “poor loser”.
It seems that being labeled a “poor loser” is worst than admitting that democracy is dead in America and fighting for its restoration .
Sad ,very sad and by the way only 1,523 died from the sinking of the Titanic ,your government oversaw twice that amount of deaths on 911 thru incompetence / complicity on a single day and from there its only got worse …Iraq ,Katrina …etc.
mick

Miss Persistent #19

There are those who postulate that he is letting it happen on purpose as a precursor to invading Iran.
I wouldn't put it past him.
A very ill man indeed.

MMIIXX #22

Hopefully we can help the pheonix rise again.

Bluebear2
On behalf of the rest of the people of the world I hope so.

to do list (should look like this).
*pay Mortgage
*weekly shopping
*pay power/phone bill
*restore democracy

LOL
mick
p.s. my family all think I'm crazy because of the amount of time I spend reading about what really happening ,maybe their right ,but once you realise what really happening its hard turning back IMHO
mick

MMIIXX, I agree once you come into the knowledge of the truth you can't make a u- turn on this path of enlightenment. It becomes an obsession to find the truth. I was talking to a friend today, saying its hard to believe the stuff they put in history books is the truth. Whose Truth? I read yesterday what Big Dan said about religion, again Whose truth? I just watched the 9-11 symposium, Webster Tarpley said that the impeachment hearings against this government must start with the 9-11 truth. Now ain't that the truth?

Man oh man. Check out what Rove is saying now!

http://www.newsvine.com/...nalists-role-in-politics

I guess he's reassuring everyone that the vote process has always been a mess, good outcomes are made that way, not to worry your pretty little heads, just vote on impulse.

... Laura
I'm down to the last 2% of my monthly bandwidth so will try to watch the 9-11 symposium (if its out there to download).

... Miss Persistent

Hitler would be proud of his uber-uber-son Karl me thinks.

Man this panel about 9/11 Truth they are airing on C-SPAN really, really, really

ROCKS!!!!!

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Here are a few rules of survival. They specifically are about physical survival, but I think some of these have some relevance to how we conduct ourselves.

12 Rules of Survival

I guess you have to go to the link on the left when you get on the homepage. www.deepsurvival.com

Bluebear2, Agent99,
I taped the CSPAN coverage of the conference, just got home a little while ago & haven't watched the whole thing yet, but I agree, it was GOOD STUFF & about damn time. They were really fired up.

Never mind a breath, that conference was a goddamn hurricane of fresh air, even the little I saw.
It was so good--although, Jesus, it makes you want to tear your hair out, the absolute evil that continues to be done--it was good to hear the level of ANGER & the determination to hold these criminals ACCOUNTABLE for their obscene greed & brutality & corruption.
Good to hear the word TREASON said loud & clear for a goddamn change!!!

Just today I caught the tail end of an interview on Air America or maybe it was NPR with a Jonathan somebody (it was around 4 p.m. or so...anybody hear it?) that was absolutely INFURIATING. They were talking about the SCOTUS having just dealt a blow to the president's legal arguments for his spying-without-warrants programs & the possible legal implications of that.
Ok, good, but the language he used after that just made my blood boil, about how it MAY come out that the president MAY HAVE broken the law about 30 times & how people may not be ready to face that shocking POSSIBILITY...!

I thought, dear God is he joking? Who IS this man & what rock has he been living under?!

I'm so SICK of hearing timid BULLSHIT like that!! I mean the guy was a GOOD GUY presumably, I realize, but I just wanted to shake him!
People are READY, for goodness sake!!! Ready for impeachment, ready for indictment, ready for incarceration & orange jumpsuits & leg irons for these guys!!

#s 31, 32
Arry,
THANK YOU FOR THAT.

Goodnight & sweet dreams, you guys. And thanks for being here. You're a powerful lifeline.

Hope you are having sweet dreams, Joan!

Alex Jones's 9/11 Truth panel will be re-aired on C-SPAN tomorrow, Sunday, at 2:15am Eastern, and 11:15am Pacific. After that it probably will be up in their video archives.... Heck, it's probably already up at PrisonPlanet. Nobody should miss it.

I'm kind proud of Alex for keeping down the sensationalizing manic tone and letting some real authorities pound the points home. Really well done, and I only got to see the last forty or so minutes of it so far.

AGENT 99
Want to share a little history about one of my states Senators. Most people are unaware that sweet old Arlen was the Legal Counsel for the Warren Commission. In that capacity he controlled what witnesses were worthy of the Commissions time. Little Ricky might be a world class nutcase puke, but Arlen has some really dark shit in his past. His complicity in the Warren Report, which is still one of the worst examples of criminal investigation in this country's history was his apprentice program. Any one that believes his "protect the constitution" bullshit needs help and enlightenment.

Yes, MEP, and Specter also has the great "honor" of having invented and sold the so-called Magic Bullet Theory, which was, in my opinion, the single most transparent lie told by the Warren Commission.

Isnt it odd how some of these good patriotic Americans seem to always be at the right place in time to steer the Republic in stormy seas. We have the nuts like Ricky, but the Arlens are the ones that hijacked the ship of state. Damn them all.

MMIIXX #25 and Laura #26-

The journey I have made since the time I first started reading this blog has been a life altering experience in both good and not so good ways. I have had to realize that so much of what I have been told and read and accepted through the years, especially about this country, is a sham. Once that innocence is lost, there is no going back, even if you sometimes wish you could. It is like I am seeing the world now through a good pair of glasses when, before, what I was seeing was blurry or obscured and I didn't even know it . The truly frustrating part is that, none of those in my family who are liberal (fortunately, there are no conservatives among those who I interact regularly with) and reasonably well-informed have made the journey with me and I sometimes feel a deep chasm between myself and them when we discuss politics and world events. I usually feel they are either still buying into much of the dogma and propaganda that is part of our culture (eg- Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East and we must always support them) or they are just ignorant (eg- about the vulnerability of our election process to corruption). When I get going on some of the stuff I read and hear at Bradblog and other Progressive sites and on Air America, I can often tell that I am either boring them or that they think that I've become a bit eccentric with all my stories about election fraud and other conspiracies. It really makes me see clearly how much inertia there is, in both thought and habit, that stands in the way of reversing the downhill spiral that I think we are in. You people on this blog are not only my teachers but my fellow travelers without whom I would either be more ignorant or more angry and frustrated than I am now.

Yep, MEP, I knows 'bout dat chit, an' it why I feels soooooooo sorry you have to put up widdat pair for senators. Sheesh. A perv who makes his kids play with their stillborn sibling, and a posturing nobody whose vanity blinds him to the mental contortions he puts on public display in order to stay a senator, selling heroes and his country for a gavel and a hair transplant.

And, Steve, I can sure identify with your frustration --- have felt nearly ready to burst of it many times. Don't focus on that. Focus on how beautiful is even the ugliest truth. If you have truth, you stand a chance to deal with reality, to have a true life, to make real improvements. Without that, even if you're a liberal, it's as sad and as unworthy as Arlen Specter, if not quite that heinous. There's a new thread up on the front page about the C-SPAN coverage of a 9/11 Truth event. You could tape it when it is rebroadcast later today, and show it to your family. They might respond to visual aids.

Oh my...I picked the wrong day to take time off from blogging and other less-than-comfortable web activities. Yesterday was a scorcher and my soul hurt so much I couldn't bear to go on-line. And here WP has given us a virgin thread and all you other great folks are right up to speed! Well, better late than never!

Let's all think good, loving thoughts IN UNISON!!!!!!

Peg, That last sentiment sounds Good to me!

As soon as we fix the voting machine companies, can we please turn our attention to the credit card companies? Nothing daunts the good, loving thoughts like interacting with them for even the smallest adjustment on your account... add to that all the filthy lucre they connive out of us, and it is enough to make you want to go screaming naked off a cliff. My outlook has just suffered a set-back on this account. If I had to call the telephone company too, I wouldn't be able to even type for all the gratuitous aggravation heaped upon me. Sheesh. Peg! Laura! We have to continually recharge our contact with that good, loving energy from the almost ceaseless assaults it suffers, just getting from morning till night nowadays. Sheesh. Sheesh. Sheesh. The 9/11 panel on C-SPAN has been postponed until 3:05/12:05, according to Mr. Mills, and I'm waiting for it to get me the positive energy back. Gonna stretch out, and listen to truth and sense to wipe out all that androidesque blather I just had to endure, only to find out I have to endure it again later. Sheesh! All for want of an ancient pin number, long forgotten. "Security" don't you know. Sheesh!!!!

Boy,For being in the information age, I've been so out of it - one of my favorite bands was in the area and I didn't know until a friend told me but I didn't read the email until the next day , Cindy Sheehan was here yesterday and I had no idea until I saw her on the news (I would have loved to go stand with her) and my sattelite TV is down so I couldn't watch the 911 conference - at least I will watch it on line today!

Sheesh - it's like I've been hibernating or something!

BB2, sheesh, it IS like you've been hibernating! And, next time I agree to take over 86's finances, would you please remind me that tearing out my hair for suffering beings is not going to be productive?

NOW, 9/11 panel seems to be bumped for press conference from Kofi Annan about the Security Council emergency session re the attack by Israel on Lebanon, the escalating hostilities... stay tuned... maybe it'll be up next. ???????

It's on NOW.

SHEEEESH!!!!!!!

There. I feel a little better now.

Agent99

Hairless? Might be time for this:

Peg and BB2

Yep. A buncha sheeshes, a hairwashing, and a nap, and good as new! Thanks! xoxoxox

Teddy Kennedy on fixing SCOTUS nominee confirmation.

Hi All I'm back

This blog is full on. I'll never fully catch up with it or keep up with it. So much is happening all the time.
It's good to see you all stepping in to help. E.g. "Winter Patriot" I have the greatest admiration, respect and even reverence for all the people who "give a damn" about democracy and others. I'm hoping come November your elections will somehow be on paper and counted by hand. There is light around you all and remember the speed of light is 186 000 klms per second "I think"? The movie can change in an instant.

99

Thanks for that Kennedy link.

Sally

It's 186,000 miles per second. Thanks for the good thoughts and encouragement. We're working on letting that speedy light in!!!

Of course your not going to hear about this on the MSM and I don't know if anybody has been following this story about Leo Wanta, Its enlightening and shows just how corrupt our country has gotten. Link: http://www.rense.com/general72/wwan.htm

"Blogger Jailed After Defying Court Orders"
By JESSE McKINLEY
August 2, 2006

"SAN FRANCISCO
A freelance journalist and blogger was jailed on Tuesday after refusing to turn over video he took at an anticapitalist protest..."

"...Jane Kirtley, a professor of media ethics and law at the University of Minnesota, said that although the jailing of journalists had become more common, Mr. Wolf’s case was the first she had heard of in which a blogger had been pursued and eventually jailed by federal authorities.

“There is a tendency on the part of the prosecutors to go aggressively after people not perceived to have a big gun behind them,” ..."

His mom, blogging on his site:
"...Although the July 20th hearing seemed promising, today the judge, Judge Alsop ruled against all motions including 5th amendment rights, rights coming under freedom of the press, against bail or a stay. Josh is in Dublin federal prison, in the East Bay area of the San Francisco Bay...
...his lawyer is planning to file an appeal to the federal 9th circuit court. That filing alone costs almost $500, so if you can donate any little bit helps..."
link

Joy
Don't know if your reading the open threat but you were quite right I was off topic and appologise. The reason I mention NZ is that I feel dishonest posting here as if I were somehow a resident of America. I felt a strong need to apollogise to Ram for the unjust treatment meeted out in my country but should have kept it very brief. Although you were right I felt belittled by some of your comments (unessassary in my books) no matter how many smiles you put after them and will think again before posting here at all which will probably be a relief to you. Please delete the post if you are able. I do see that it ruins the thread.
I still support this cause.

sally

I don't know if Joy is reading this thread either, but it was very nice of you to switch to this one. Very nice indeed. I don't think it was Joy's intention to belittle you. Please don't take offense. We welcome your comments. People here do go off down the garden path on the threads quite a lot, and while nobody is trying to sit on the comment threads, we're trying to keep it a little more orderly if we can. That's all.

Please. Don't feel stung. There was no intent to sting you, or belittle you, and your graciousness makes me hope all the more that you will decide to continue commenting. Thank you.

And, no need to feel dishonest posting here, because people from all over the world post here. MMIIXX is from NZ, and he posts here a lot. Plus, what is happening in America right now really IS the whole world's business.

Thanks 99, you are a Kind & Witty Blogger.

I know I especially do, do this "go off thread". Not intentionally but guess it has the same result. It would be great if moderaters had the ability to move unrelated messages to the open thread. I guess that's just more work for everyone. I do feel bad that I did that to such an important thread, so honestly mean please move or delete the post if you can. I will say though that I have thought lately that when others have been off topic the comments seem alittle harsh. I guess if your toooo nice no one gets the message.

Sally #56:

I posted an apology to Joy and Tom in the other thread --- I did it there because that thread seemed to be going out of control. That interview is too important to be watered down in the comments section by the likes of me.

I didn't feel that it was that "off topic". It isn't like we were talking about the footy or the tea cakes.

Sometimes I feel as though fate plopped me down over there just to wake me up. Human nature is the same no matter where one lives. We can all get so busy with our everyday lives that we don't have the time to really look at the issues.

And looking at my country today, with the Busheviks in power, I can see why you wanted our nuclear stuff out of there. When illegal regimes have their finger on the button, the world is a very scarey place.

I think that when the ANZUS treaty was signed, there was an expectation that we were all "free peoples" who would continue to fight for that freedom together. America today seems to have a very different attitude.

There is no way that I could have imagined in 1984 that Americans would allow an illegal regime to take power. I believed that the citizens would have stormed the gates and cried out in horror at that atrocity.

Instead, there are jokes made about the "sore losers", as if this is a football game where everyone just has to accept the call of the ref.

New Zealand was right to not trust us. We are too busy with our cell phones to notice the mushroom clouds on the horizon.

Ram

Hope you come back to NZ one day and are treated with the respect you deserve.
Glad we are all on the same very important side again. You a real patriot for putting small differences aside for whats really important. I hope all that interlude is deleted from that great thread. I felt the circumstances of our posts sort of mitigated going OT although at the time was just not thinking. Felt Joys comments towards NZ were sarky and uneccessary but communication covers a wide spectrum. Joy felt she had been nice. NZ's who travel to Tahiti or Paris often think the treatment is rude when seen its as normal there.

"I think that when the ANZUS treaty was signed, there was an expectation that we were all "free peoples" who would continue to fight for that freedom together. America today seems to have a very different attitude."

I naively still find it difficult to fathom why anyone would want to demolish democracy.
Democracy is a breeding ground for peace and prosperity. Its not perfect but the best option.

I must admit to being sucked in by Bush when he first invaded Iraq. I really believed his motives were good. Looks like it was all part of the plan. While he keeps this war going there are no forces in America to uphold Democracy.

"When illegal regimes have their finger on the button, the world is a very scarey place"

Its still hard to believe what happeing its like a bad dream. Must be a nightmare for you. And yes very scary when that regime is the most powerful nation on earth.

Right next door to NZ its starting in OZ. Isn't it odd that Rupert Murdock an Australian born big player in the MSM is in control of Fox the biggest right wing propaganda machine on earth.
We even get Fox here in NZ on Prime though it is not widely watched.
I think we all know human nature can be pretty dodgey but when it confronts us personally its a nasty shock.

NZ culture is changing. The extreme right wing is here. For now they are pretending to be moderate. There are still good people in NZ though who do sometimes speak up.

Need to get back to my studies again so will disapear for now

The "anti-Semite" - SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL

Says the neo-cons are beating the drums for war louder

and louder. Condi Rice dare spoke that maybe diplomacy

should be given a more serious chance in the Middle

East,.. the neo-cons are now out to slash her throat.

She is headed to the same trash heap that the neo-cons

dumped Colin Powell. The liberalism of diplomatic

discussions will not be tolerated in this

administration,.. the only topic open for discussion

is WAR,.. WAR,.. AND MORE WAR.

Link to Blumenthal article

Sally ,welcome to the real world at Bradblog.