Yea WP! Lets roll back to 1945 and finish off those damn fascists!

Thanks for bringin' it!

So I guess that means this is the worst open thread ever?

I suspect a conspiracy! How could you know WP how it would turn out?

Come on WP, you make up all the posts right? We are all creations of your blogability genius and you already have constructed all the posts in this thread ahead of time ... right?

OMG, what a thought! Dredd #2.

We have entered the realm of quantum physics, with Winter P, the string theory madman, who has created all of us.

Winter Patriot, I thank you for giving me a smile on a long gloomy Sunday. Don't be so hard on yourself!

Your so honest, I would have blamed it on Brad.

re #2: no, Dredd! You are not figments of my overactive imagination ... hahaha!

Will this be "the worst open thread ever"?? That's up to YOU. The floor's the limit!!

A memo bombshell in the UK regarding pre-Iraq war plans. I can't emphasize how HUGE this is (or should be...will the MSM report?)

This article:
http://www.timesonline.c.../0,,2087-1592904,00.html

Discusses this memo:
http://www.timesonline.c.../0,,2087-1593607,00.html

2 DKos diaries worth checking out:
http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2005/4/30/234527/228
http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2005/5/1/115530/0288

Bottom line:
In July 2002, Tony Blair has already decided to join the US in the war on Iraq. The US (um, that's Bush) had already decided to invade Iraq. Only problem was, they need a good reason, and have to make one up. We all know this, but this memo is important to making the case to the other 50% of the US public.

Here's a money quote from the memo:
"C reported on his recent talks in Washington. There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

As I have said before, and will say again, if we want electoral reform, the easiest route to victory is to push the case that Bush lied to get us into war. 50% believe that already. As more and more come to understand the truth about Iraq, more and more will be receptive to the notion of election fraud.

I agree 120%, bejammin075. It's huge, grotesque, and very dangerous to the regime. Three reasons to suspect the major media will ignore it. So again it's up to us to spread the word...

Transcript of Bush press conference 3/6/2003:
http://www.whitehouse.go.../2003/03/20030306-8.html

Read it, save it, before they remove it.

Bush says:
"I've not made up our mind about military action."

A more complete context is quoted below:

"Q Mr. President, if you decide to go ahead with military action, there are inspectors on the ground in Baghdad. Will you give them time to leave the country, or the humanitarian workers on the ground or the journalists? Will you be able to do that, and still mount an effective attack on Iraq?

THE PRESIDENT: Of course. We will give people a chance to leave. And we don't want anybody in harm's way who shouldn't be in harm's way. The journalists who are there should leave. If you're going, and we start action, leave. The inspectors --- we don't want people in harm's way. And our intention --- we have no quarrel with anybody other than Saddam and his group of killers who have destroyed a society. And we will do everything we can, as I mentioned --- and I mean this --- to protect innocent life.

I've not made up our mind about military action. Hopefully, this can be done peacefully. Hopefully, that as a result of the pressure that we have placed --- and others have placed --- that Saddam will disarm and/or leave the country."

BIG surprise (not)! When B*** "won" in '99, we looked at each other and said "Oh no...back to Iraq!" After all, the world is the big toddler's own personal sandbox.

Winter -

Thanks for the superfluous redundancy of this free open thread!

"Superfluous redundancy" is the only kind worth having, Peg!

Winter Patriot - I crammed so hard for so long to get myself up to speed (tortoise mph) I need the "refresher courses."

I really enjoyed re-reading your article "9/11 was a Hoax". It took me back in time to that day when I received a telephone call alerting me to turn on my TV moments after the 1st plane hit the WTC.

I was in such shock all day - and glued to the TV - I didn't even think to put in a video tape. But your description of how the day (and later weeks) unfolded via TV and your feelings about it resonated on the same chord with mine.

On that day, the moment I learned bu$h had "run off" & left the country alone - to defend for itself - I KNEW something was rotten, & not in Denmark.

Anyway - your article is excellent.

Thanks for the do-overs!!

Well, I meant to say "fend" rather than "defend" - but I guess either will do. (re: #12)

Re: Benjamin075 and premeditated U.S/UK Iraq War:

As usual, John Conyers and Raw Story are all over it.
Rep. calls for deeper inquiry into secret Iraq attack plan

Thanks guys (when I say "guys" it means everybody) for providing the great links to this US/UK secret plan. Starting with Peg C.'s post on another thread.

This is all just --- I started to say "incredible", but now I'm changing it to --- this is all just SO NASTY.

Are we on the bumpy part of the ride yet?

Mr. Conyers has also posted this at DailyKos on the UK secret docs. See ConyersBlog for the lead-in.

I think the key thing here is that this is a DOCUMENT vs. statements/books by others (Paul Oneill, Wesley Clark etc.). Oneil or Clark can be accused of politics, trying to sell books, etc.

Is this Brittish document the smoking gun we need to impeach Bush, or at least make him very very very unpopular? (Obviously the House does impeachment and is currently Repub controlled).

If I could ask Bush a question (or any neocon):

If the War was such a good idea and sooo justifiable, why LIE to get support for it?? Why LIE about the justification?? Why LIE about your own behind-the-scenes actions??

Bejammin #17

They can polish their turds all they want, but it doesn't cover up the stink.

I agree completely that the lies of this administration are the thing since the leap in public opinion has been huge in recognition of the deception.

One thing to keep in mind in terms of impeachment is the '06 election coming right up. If this can all be pushed and enough Dems get into the House, things will be changing, I am sure, and all possibilities are available.

Plus, Bush just laid himself in his coffin in his last press conference. It's up to us to close the lid and dispose of him. People want to see the back of him, and now is the time to look forward and come up with plans. Take positive action and connect with the people of this country who are starting to do some serious looking around for new leadership. You can tell by the number of hits on the liberal sites these days. Increasing rapidly.

Yes, the public may be ripe for the truth about Iraq. Polls show that 50% of the American people believe Bush lied to them about Iraq's WMDs to justify War. This secret document is a "smoking gun". This may prove to be a major influencial factor in the 2006 election.

Lets get it, and Conyers' letter onto the airwaves, into the streets, and into every American home the best we can.

Since this has been called an "open thread" here's something worthy:

What Can We the People Do About Election Fraud?

Add to that, Torqued #21, is the fact that violence is increasing again in Iraq. It was inevitable, of course. People are straining now, and want out of the noose. The election will bring all of this to the fore.

Teresa #20

Gee - isn't it about time for Homer Simpson to win the 2006 elections?

Teresa #23 --

Yes, we have it all really... more than enough to cause a peaceful, citizen revolution if we can get everyone informed and involved. It is the people's duty to speak and exercise their power, but convincing them of that is a tough task.

I gotta work on NOT being pushy here at Brad Blog...

Torqued #25 --- I don't see you being "pushy!!" As far as I'm concerned we NEED some push --- especially the limp Dems in Congress.

I posted this quote on another thread - but it's my fav for today ...

"We must complain. Yes, plain, blunt complaint, ceaseless agitation, unfailing exposure of dishonesty and wrong - this is the ancient, unerring way to liberty and we must follow it." ~ W. E. B. Dubois

Oh, c'mon, Torqed! Pushy? Bradblog? That's what we're here for. Bradville rewards this behavior since we are up against a might obstacle. We don't want too many weak assed whiners pulling us down and back. A few, but they will have to try and keep up. We've got to STAY MOTIVATED.

Please keep pushing. It's time for that. We can all relax and party together soon enough.

Yeah, Kira, limp Dems, indeed!

It's kind of like telling a woman who is just about to give birth to a precious human being to "stop pushing"!

That's a GOOD analogy, Teresa!!

LOL Kira re #22 --- it was Peg #10 who declared the thread open ... And the thread began to meander a bit, as they all do, but [drum roll] now that you've put up a link to [cymbals!] this article by Ernest Partridge of The Crisis Papers, it reminds me of another reason to remind everyone not to read my blog: it's a place where you can find links several other articles by Ernest Partridge, and to his blog, as well as more from The Crisis Papers, where they actually have a list of recommended blogs [here, and if you pay them a visit you may notice that they do not link to please don't read my blog ... but on the other hand they do link to something called the Brad Blog!] and I almost forgot to mention that please don't read my blog links to many other good writers as well! So ... to avoid all this, you'd want to steer clear of the the sidebar on please don't read my blog. You especially don't want to look at the "Favorite Writers" section. And one more thing: I add links periodically --- another good reason not to visit my blog...

Winter, follow this link, you'll be so glad ya did!

Re: #32
.... and that goes for the rest of you too!

Winter #31 -

I beg and implore to differ or disagree with you. In your fifth post, #5, you asked, "Will this be the worst open thread ever?"

Have you or have you not made a mistaken boo-boo?

G'day PEG C
Have you jump on my link at #32 yet?

G'day PEG C
....or even jump[ed] on my link at #32 yet?

Yes, Bushw@cker. I'd found it on my own earlier today, thought AH-HA!, rushed back here and saw that you'd posted it. Great, isn't it?!

And, in line with another thread (where I'll repost this): John Conyers does it again!!!

"Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) is circulating a letter calling for a further inquiry into a secret U.S.-UK agreement to attack Iraq...

"In a statement, Conyers says he is disappointed the mainstream media has not touched the revelations.
"Unfortunately, the mainstream media in the United States was too busy with wall-to-wall coverage of a "runaway bride" to cover a bombshell report out of the British newspapers," Conyers writes."

Link here for his letter and comments.

Peg in #34 did in fact detect a mistook which I made in #31 when I said she had declared the thread open in #10 ... I had forgotten that I myself had used the phrase "open thread" in #5! [sorry, Peg] ... but that was in a reply to Dredd's #2. So in fact it was Dredd who declared the thread open, and not Peg.[sorry, Dredd!]. Is that clear?? And it probably hasn't been the VERY WORST open thread ever, so I guess we still have something to strive for! ;-0

Aw, Winter P, that's O.K. I flubdub all the time and I seriously hate, dislike and detest that indubitable undeniable fact. And I'm trying hard, "strenuously" even, to top out the bottom of this thread.

P.S. I made it all the whole way through your post without falling or succumbing. But I do enjoy the sometime occasional dabble into the pond that must not be visited.

I've been busy for the last week or so with kids and bills and boy scouts and such. So I thought I'd catch up on my reading as I feel lost when I fall behind on my blogging here. But sadly, I can't go any further. Not today. Maybe it's because I'm tired. Maybe because I'm sick, but whatever the reason - today I feel lost. I feel helpless and I feel overwhelmed by all of this. I keep telling myself we are making a difference, that things will change. But today, I need to turn my back on the world and just be numb. Maybe that's how the mindless Americans who still support the Bushites are - mind numb. So, for today I am done. Maybe tomorrow I can gather some optimism from my back pocket and remember that we are doing something and that all of us can make a change. But for now, I can't face one more story about what's wrong with the world. It's too overwhelming.

re #42. No problem, ShadowTwinChaos... take a break and get some rest. We all have a lot to do and none of us can do it alone --- so please come back when you feel a little better!

P.P.S. Are we skimming the dregs here or dredging the scum?

#42 ShadowTwinChaos

I can relate all too well with what you just described. It can be very overwhelming.

Sensory overload.

Hang in there, the only constant is change.

re #40: Peg wrote
I made it all the whole way through your post without falling or succumbing.
as the only reader who claimed to have done so, I hereby declare you the winner!
But I do enjoy the sometime occasional dabble into the pond that must not be visited.
ahhhh... you see you've ruined your image now because I thought you were obeying me when I said please don't read my blog.

One can live quite well on nuts and raisins, Peg. Thanks!

MMM, trail mix sounds good. Something to eat while I finish wading through all of the links. :p

Winter P -

Obedience has never been my long (or even attenuated) suit. I have been aware of prohibitions and bans against clicking on your links, but I am a Pandora-person who cannot resist or stay away from in any way, means or manner, illicit or off-limits verbal material (blogging for a necessary cause).

WP -

I won and my winning award was immediately revoked on account of honesty? Nuts and raisins to that!

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