Correctamundo Brad ... competent evidence is mounting that the military psy ops have severly damaged the US MSM (link here).

The Rich Elite who want complete control aren't helping, either.. It's bad for "their companies" if America finds out that they helped secure a Republican (read: money grubbing, readily purchasble political party) majority.

The more I look around, the more I fear this country is lost. They actually have people wanting to subject your kids to advertising 24/7, and are using school busses to do it.

Don't expect the MSM or Corporate America to go out quietly, they are making sure the truth is supressed as hard as they can. Until we unseat the Pugs (and complicit Dems), we're at their mercy.

Truely disgusting!

actually, i think it can be a good thing that Coulter gets on major tv shows and says these repulsive, anti-American, anti-Christian statements that give the lie to "compassionate conservatism" --- because it shows the American people just how batshit crazy she and her ilk really are.

i say let 'er rip! give those hate-mongers enough rope to hang themselves. let people see their true colors, let people see what "compassion" is in store for them the second they step out of the BushCo company line, how they will be ridiculed and villified in the blink of an eye.

FINALLY! I have been waiting all year for some dialogue to be created over this issue. Cindy Sheehan, 9/11 widows, and others were not the only ones suffering.

Whats truly disgusting is how Matt Lauer pretends to care as he struts off everyday to his million dollar pad. How much money did he give to the widows? How much of his day does he truly spend crying in concern over Cindy Sheehan.

Liberals pretend to care about 9/11 Widows, blacks, gays, Cindy Sheehan, and slaughtered military as long as they can use it as some kind of a political statement they can fill in airtime with where intellectual debate has utterly abandoned. That's sick, and that is disgusting.

This Lauer cryfest is great that will create dialogue where liberals will finally be exposed in their pool of crocodile tears. It isn't sad that Coulter pedals this and makes a killing at it. What's sad is that liberals who can't argue allow her to do so.

It's Ann Coulter's job to be incendiary--that's how she makes her money.

I dont watch TV very much nor do I subscribe to cable, so the only way I get to hear about her is through sites like this.

But my feeling is that her fans don't like her for what she's says as much as they like her for saying stuff that gives a collective wedgie to those who oppose her.

The problem, TheTruthPolice, is you can't have a debate with a zealot (like Ann, and seemingly you). You can't have a debate with people who will dismiss facts simply because they don't fit their agenda.. While it may be true that "some liberals" do that, MOST Repugs I've ever met do it.

Bottom line is, to say "liberals are hiding behind widows" is to be dishonest in that "debate". There are "conservatives" doing the same thing on the other side of the isle .. that is, the claim of widows working for campaigns and being the presenter of "points" is happening on "both sides". So for Ann (and you) to bash on the Dems for it while cheering your own "9/11 widows" is to show your lack of desire for "debate", and the ends you will go to to "win".

What's "disgusting" is that anyone would think "they are enjoying" the deaths of family members. What's telling is, it's the Repugs that keep saying outragous things like this (and Rush with his psychotic proclamation that "liberals are thrilled with the deaths of innocents in Iraq"). You people truly seem to have no morals or compassion AT ALL. Then run under a banner of "compassionate conservatism" (which is Orwellian for "fuck the poor! I get more!").

And, the POINT of THIS thread, should you care to debate a topic, is how the MSM is IGNORING the MASSIVE problems with the election of 2004.. I know, I know.. you don't want to hear "facts" because it flies in the face of your postion of "you liberals are just sore losers!".. Oh.. wait.. what was that about having "serious debate" in this country?

"MSM is IGNORING the MASSIVE problems with the election of 2004"

I believe Mr. Kennedy took this to CNN (a liberal network) where his blather was fairly countered just a few nights ago.

Ohio election officials found NOTHING fraudulent about the elections (anything that had proof anyway.) If there was, the left would have been just as guilty as many of their tactics were exposed during that same debate.

Even John Kerry knows this isn't true. That same interview reported that Kerry would have filed charges ONLY if he was convinced that these stupid arguments had merit. Did you hear that part?

Lauer isn't a Liberal anyway TTP
He's some kind of pseudo Libert-Arian

Yeah and I just heard that they were sending away voters up in Bakersfield because the steal..er voting machines were'nt tallying the votes

{Ed note: Comment deleted. Purposeful disinformation.}

what the hell are you talking about, "Truth" Police?

what fake argument are you lamely attempting to counter --- the non-existent folks who say that Sheehan and the 9/11 widows were the "only ones suffering"? you realize that no one has ever said that, don't you? do you always make stuff up out of whole cloth, or do you just have a few too many voices in your head?

we all know the real truth --- that it is the conservative republicans who only pretend to care about 9/11, the widows, blacks, gays, children, families, workers, honesty, ethics, corruption, competence, and the casualties in this war of lies as long as they can use it, like Coulter and the rest of her repugnant ilk, to make money and hold on to power.

those tragedies are truly 'sick and disgusting', not this pretend "liberal" bogeyman (BOO!), upon whom you misplace your ire for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. they died as a direct result of conservatives --- those who have purchased all three branches of government and on whose watch all of these catastrophes have occurred.

you aren't fooling anybody. if you honestly wanted "intellectual debate", you would try starting with truth and reality. luckily the vast majority of Americans now know the facts and put blame squarely where it belongs --- on BushCo and their henchmen and -women. anywhere else is an exercise in extreme self-deception. or an over-active imagination.

"Ohio election officials found NOTHING fraudulent about the elections" .. AH... yes.. because the fox standing there with feathers in his mouth saying "what, I don't see any chickens here!" is to be trusted!

And Kerry, at the TIME, didn't have the "facts" to make his "case" in court, and therefore let it go. Since, he's been quoted by two different people as saying his position was "changed" now that he "saw the facts".

"where his blather was fairly countered just a few nights ago"

Then you acknowledge that the "80,000 shifted votes" was talked about? OH, WAIT.. NO, it wasn't. The "right-wing talking head" kept talking about the same old BULLSHIT about "Freddie Kruger was on the registration rolls!!".. But NEVER talked about the "facts".

You and pRicky are shills.. morons who pretend to want a debate, bitch about no one wanting a debate, then talk out your collective asses every chance you get. You don't care about debate, not one whit. If you DID, you'd stop being obtuse and talk to the FACTS..

Again, Repugs do NOT talk about FACTS, they SPIN and LIE and MISINFORM and DISINFORM.. Get it? And that pathetic little witch of a whore Ann doesn't "debate", she screams hate and refuses to talk to points. I know you retarded kids THINK that's "good debating", but it's a joke and laughable to anyone with an I.Q. over 60.

You are citing CNN (and calling it Liberal.. LMAO) and saying that accounts for "MSM discussing this", yet MOST people out there aren't watching CNN.. MOST people watch their "local" stations.. the national braodcast networks, not the cable only networks. Not to mention, there's barely a peep of this in the papers..

you want a perfect example of ignorance and hypocricy, go read pRicky's post. "What is sick is that liberals march these grieving people in front of the Camera", yet he IGNORES the FACT that CONSERVATIVES are doing it too.

So much for a debate with wing-nuts and trolls.. Back to the status quo of talking about how "the masses" are being sheltered by "the rich elite" so the masses don't get the FACTS.. because they would no longer be as easily manipulated by the RIGHT-WING-LUNATICS...

Ricky and "Truth" Police are dangerously mis-informed and a major part of the problem in this country.

Ricky, 9/11 caused by BushCo crazy you say? Unchallenged on this site? Wrong on both counts. There has and will continue to be a spirited debate on what really happened on 9/11 here. Are you a physics student? Are you aware of the properties of steel? Do you know how many other skyscrapers fell from fire?

Truth Police, do you know who leads the company Diebold? Furthermore, do you know what years and what frat both canidates attended from the last presidential election?

Both of you are spouting hot air. Why don't you go blog on hotair.com where you can be protected from openly defiant people like us? YOU are the problem!

To drag this back on topic (Ann Coulter, remember?) I agree with DES in Comment #4. I'm glad she is getting some mainstream exposure, because once she starts spewing her hate and insanity outside the safe confines of Fox News, she is going to find a much less friendly audience.

I believe the point to this thread was the fact that this bitch is given 7 minutes to spout nonsensical, radical hate message to stir up her ground base (these two jokers included above), and then someone who has a serious matter of national security, who has thoroughly investigated and substantiated his theory, isn't given the time of day.
To respond to jackasses like these two morons in this thread is a waste of time and print. They are escapees from rightwingnews, which is a radical right wing blog site that is thick with such knuckleheads that love to hear themselves chatter in the wind. There is no debating these fools. They simply don't follow any lines of logic. In a debate, they remind me of the suicide bombers who sneak up and blow up a conversation with their absurd remarks. Folks...there IS NO DEBATE possible with these sick-os. They are beyond hope. They are replicas of this bitch in the interview. They are filled with so much hate and anger that they no longer reason in a rational manner. They are as cowardly as the suicide bombers that takes innocent lives daily. Hit and run. No conscience, no regrets. They are part of America too, but the pathetic sewage.

Des how impressive, but substance lacking. Everytime someone questions the motives of a 9/11 widow or as Ricky put it: "The grieving mother of a fallen soldier", they get portrayed as a heartless nazi.

The sad fact is people like you PRETEND to have concern for Cindy Sheehan. You PRETEND to have concern for widows of 9/11. You PRETEND to have concern for blacks, illegal immigrants, and gays. It's all a sad haux because there is nothing to counter the actual policies other than to promise quick fixes and free money to these minorities to try and and win their votes. That's all they mean to you, and you will use them for all their worth. How much time did you sepdn crying over poor Cindy? How about Laura Youngblood? Did you cry less over her because she lost her husband and STILL supports the president? For some reason, I have not seen any liberals blogging about her.

You won't have to cry for a few years. The historical odds are handing this mid-term elections to Democrats (so much that Savanster won't have to allege voter fraud until after the country gets a few years with Democrats in power). People tend to forget that after a party has been in power (for SO long) that stupider swing voters in elections tend to decide critical years like this one. You guys are screwing up an election year that promises a handed victory to the Democrats by making false allegations. If the Democrats do not win 50 seats in the House this year, it will be all your fault, and they can finally hang it up as a party and re-construct.

Finally, Savanster. For you to allege that the MSM is strictly conservative or right-winged pretty much shows the extent of your truth searching. CNN? If you watch the interview, Kennedy had more speaking time than his conservative counter-point. Kennedy then got speaking time on MSNBC.

Here's how this works: to avoid having to deal with the fact that liberals are just plain ole insane - and that Democrats have not got a majority of this country to vote for them since 1976 when Jimmy Carter won with 50.1% of the vote, wackos like you make up conspiracy theories and when thei validity is questioned or proven quackmeal, you then allege that MSM is conservative (again which is a huge laugh).

So since Kerry acknowledged this is fact, tell me, who is the attorney filing the charges on Kerry's behalf? Where's the lawsuit? He has a chance to prove that for the first time in 18 years in presidential election that Americans as a majority voted for him - you think he's just going to sit on it?

If you think it's just coincidence that he has done nothing, then that's a problem you need to work out with yourself.

I'll just sit back and laugh while my peeps control the MSM. .

Watch out 'cause they are becoming the symbols of what this country stands for- hate, lies & greed. And you can always find those signifiers in US history. My recent read is IBM & Holocaust by Edwin Black. Did the US help create the Nazis? Or what about the brutality of the Mexican American War? Or what about the Trail of Tears? Brutally putting down unions? Freedom has always been a cover story if you ask me. Sure there are lots of generous awesome people on the ground, but can't that be said of any country? The whole 'claim to fame' is free speech-always under attack and Asylum - you know "give us your poor.." can be debated, although with troops deployed to the borders is also becoming a farce. Land of opportunity? Yeah, for the already well off..The list goes on and on. Its PR and the more one looks at history, the more obvious it becomes.

It is arguable that Ann Coulter IS America -hate spouting, selfish and openly denying the truth. Wonder how she would respond if her offspring died in a war she didn't agree with?

Michael, #16, you are right --- there really isn't any point in responding to the two morons in this thread... but sometimes i do so anyway because it is a good reminder of why we must continue to fight the disinformtion, lies, and criminality of BushCo and the gleeful little ghouls like ricky and "truth" police who sell their souls to do their bidding.

it's true, there is no actual debate or dialogue possible with those who can't even engage with reality, who refuse to open their eyes to the documented facts. TP and little ricky are as ignorant as they come, and they like it that way. although it is ultimately a waste of time to try to convince those who are willfully ignorant, it is never a waste to remind everybody else that the truth is so important it must constantly be presented and defended.

one can lead little ricky and TP to the facts, but not make them see. they need to mis-read, ignore, and otherwise exhaust their meagre arguments to save themselves from having to let go of BushWorld, into which they have invested so much of themselves.

"You guys are screwing up an election year that promises a handed victory to the Democrats by making false allegations. If the Democrats do not win 50 seats in the House this year, it will be all your fault,"

LOL.. false allegations? So the -facts- in the article, the LAWSUITS in court and convictions already handed down.. false? And, nice setup there.. "your fault", so that if we don't get these machines out, and the central tabulators are hooked into the internet where 1 or 2 people could manipulate the counts with impunity and no trace, the election can be stolen again and blamed on "false allegations".. I love it!

You noticed during the CNN interview that the "right-wing counterpoint" never offered "a rebuttal" to the "allegations"? Or are you going to ignore that? Of COURSE you're going to ignore it. Kennedy might have gotten more time simply because your guy "didn't say anything" any of the times he opened his mouth..

And, again, since you've missed it. The MSM is not "liberal".. it's OWNED by CORPORATIONS who support REPUBLICANS.. Republicans OWN the Media, and have actively been involved in SUPRESSING FACTS and stories that are of REAL importance.. instead, they spend hours and hours on Michael Jackson? and some missing rich white girl? And some psycho white chick that ran off before her wedding? To imply HUGE CORPORATE INTERESTS are "liberal" is perhaps the most laughable thing you wing-nuts say.

"wackos like you make up conspiracy theories and when thei validity is questioned or proven quackmeal,"

Nothing in the Kennedy article has been "proven quackmeal", has it? Yet, we're STILL calling the MSM conservative. Go figure..

"If you think it's just coincidence that he has done nothing,"

More "disninformation" and "spin".. I don't think it's "coincidence" at all. There are all kinds of reasons he might not do anything "now".. like the fact that it won't change who's in the White House. Right? If it won't change anything, why bother? All he does is open himself up to attacks from the "right-wingnut fringe".. Personally, I don't like Kerry.. He pussied out off the bat in 2004 and he makes me think he might be just another typical Politician saying what he has to to get power..

"Finally, Savanster. For you to allege that the MSM is strictly conservative or right-winged pretty much shows the extent of your truth searching. CNN? If you watch the interview, Kennedy had more speaking time than his conservative counter-point. Kennedy then got speaking time on MSNBC"

And the final example of "dishonesty" I'm gonna bring up before I don't bother wasting my time anymore.. It's funny that you call the media "liberal" and imply "strictly", but get all bent when "liberals" point out that the media is heavily slanted to the interests of Corporate America, and therefore conservative. And, showing 2 shows he was on (and no one refuted any of his facts on CNN, I've not seen the MSNBC showing) HARDLY constitutes showing that "the MSM is dealing with this". You keep talking about 1 or 2 cable shows like it covers "most viewers" instead of a very select few. The point is, NBC put this ignorant cunt hack on for 7 minutes letting her blow her hate-speach to promote her book, but hasn't broached dealing with Kennedy on matters of national interest to BOTH PARTIES. *shrug*

Okies... done with the trolls.. showing dishonest people all the places they are being disengenuous is boring. And since 99% of everything the trolls say ends up being bullshit or spin, there's just no point.

oooh, TP, you sure told me!

even though you don't know anything about me, you just instinctively know what i see, think, and feel, and you just know that you are right --- reality be damned! TP can see into the hearts of all people!

typical conservative claptrap: controlling, judgmental, fact-free, fantasy-based, and utterly without merit.

btw, it's spelled "hoax" not "haux'.

IGNORE THE TROLLS!

Restate the facts.

Move on.

The trolls are part of the 20% that can never be reached. Let's go after the rest. They KNOW what they BELIEVE and they can not open their minds to any FACTS that could alter that reality. They could see GWB kill a baby right in front of them and they would be sure here was a good reason. They do not live in the same "reality" that the rest of the world lives in --- they have constructed their own.

Charlie L
Portland, OR

It's to bad that ann coulter's gynecologist didn't mistakenly replace her. . . . . IUD with an IED. . .

to The Truthpolice: good try!

Boy, that's some original stuff you're putting out there. Straight from the Repugnican playbook! 'Liberal media', 'crying liberals', and on and on. Never heard any of that before........
Ohio election officials 'found nothing wrong', huh? Why would they say so if they did find something wrong-they're Repugnicans!

Time to come up with some new ideas, pal.

Martin T.
Seattle

Read Mindy Kleinberg's and Lorie Van Auken's ratings of the 9/11 Commission's (non-) responses to their questions here.

Sign the Petition of Solidarity calling for the Attorney General of the State of New York and the District Attorney of the Borough of Manhattan to open new investigations into 9/11 here at justicefor911.org.

So sad
Name calling ,
What a joke
NO discussion , Left = hate

"Did you cry less over her because she lost her husband and STILL supports the president? For some reason, I have not seen any liberals blogging about her."

Hmmmm.....liberals haven't attacked a 9-11 widow...and that's a bad thing to you?

jesus, whattadick.

"So sad
Name calling ,
What a joke
NO discussion , Left = hate "

Left equals hate??
Nooooo, Left equals FED UP.

#26 - don bentley . . . . . you can kiss my Brown Eye . . .

# 29,.. your advice to # 26,..

is that the third eye,.. the one we sit on ?

I'm not familiar with that cliche.

That was nasty,.. God bless ya !

I may retain that for the next fascist right-winger
I bump into. THX.

Ass-wipes - the bunch of them,.. all fascist pigs !

When I read this thread there were 29 comments. Of those 29, 8 were on topic. 3 were off topic. 5 were comments by trolls. And the rest, 13, were replys to the trolls. So it's pretty easy to see that a couple of trolls leaving a small number of comments were successful in hijacking the thread and the topic. That's too bad, because the fact that NBC chooses to give Ann Coulter airtime, and none at all to explore evidence of a stolen election is as clear an example of how far the media in this country has sunk as you will ever see. The issue is that there is sufficient evidence to call our last presidential election into question. And anyone who really considers themselves an American and a patriot should give enough of a fuck about the health of this country and it's most fundamental institution, our right to free and fair elections, to want to hear the evidence, investigate the evidence, and make an informed decision about it in the end. Because it is all of us, democrat, republican, and independent, who have a stake in the truth. That is what is not being told to the American people, and that is why our country, and all it stands for, is dying a slow and painful death, at the hands of it's own citizens.

Wake the fuck up!!

31.0 Supersoling . . . . . Got your Attention & Comment . . . Need I Say More . . . Comrade.

30.0 Old Turks, Young Turks, Turks are Cool ..... But, I'm still wait for a answer to my question from The Young Turks. . .

Are there turkeys in Turkey ? ? ? I've run into some wild ones & they can be nasty. . . Ya don't mess with'em.

Ann, can I tie you up???
Then would you tie me up???

the media is controlled by the elite and so are both parties. Both Kerry and Bush are skull and bones. 911 was an inside job by the government and the war on terror is bullshit and gives the elite the excuse to launch invasion after invasion. Why? OIL They even spelled out the plan it's called PENAC. Hey, for anyone who believes otherwise , goodluck. Keep beleivin the lies. I know what the score is.

Des #19 - The trolls are just following the "company line" - I can't give you a link, but I recall an interview with some bushco bigwig who explained that our "old" concept or reality is obsolete, that the duhbaya administration is now creating its own reality. Expect them to remain comfortable and oblivious until the hull meets the mountain of ice. I kind of admire them, even icky - or at least I admire their determination. It must be really hard to ignore so much factual evidence...

And Supersoling #31 - Nice to see you in the neighborhood, and wonderfully stated! Shame on us for letting ourselves get dragged off topic so easily - I mean, a good swift kick in the behind every now and then is highly appropriate, but there are far more crucial issues that require discussion and creative thinking. Thanks for the nudge. First things first, though. Let's resolve, once and for all, the debate over paper ballots!

Skeptic, #18, and everyone else

Read this here

An article about the Fellowship Foundation
This one always gets me, because it was started as a front for reining in unions, dig around, you might find out that your Democratic Rep belongs to this creepy outfit, I know Hillary belongs to it, the Wal-Marter that she is

Following Coulter's logic, there's one easy way to shut her up. Kill off one of her family members.

I stopped subscribing to my local paper, the Times Leader, because they started syndicating Ann Coulter, and switched to the Citizen's Voice.

Ann Coulter, and her ilk, have received some public money, to spread the government's propaganda.

The Office of Global Communications is a front that is supposed to be for spreading accurate information in other nations (link here).

However, the Office of Global Communications is a front that uses taxpayer money for political electioneering.

"In my opinion, the global issue wasn’t the reason why they were created,” he told me. “They clearly had a completely domestic focus. They were part of the effort to re-elect the president . . . . I’m going to be real pejorative here: Their goal was psychological operations on the American voting public. That was part of the political arm doing that.” He added, “You’ll notice that not long after the election, the Office of Global Communications no longer existed.” (Technically, it still exists, though it has been without a director for more than a year. No new content has been posted on its Web site, once updated regularly, since March 2005.)" (link here).

The MSM is being used to conduct psy ops on the American voting public at the expense of taxpayers.

The 9/11 widows which we (not trolls) have been taking up for here, have now spoken for themselves:

"We are forced to respond to Ms. Coulter's accusations to set the record straight because we have been slandered.

Contrary to Ms. Coulter's statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day" (link here, bold added).

Ann Coulter, is it true that Bu$hCo buys & then dumps your books to put you on the best sellers list. Are you a fraud. Speaking of which, how's that investigation into your voting scam going?

I agree with Ann to the point that many of these widows profitted from their husbands' death by writing books, getting paid to go on t.v. and bash Pres. Bush. Although they had a terrible time to go through, telling children their fathers weren't coming home, they seem to have soon gotten over it since they were out there in 2002 criticizing.
Naturally many women who lost their husbands did not do this.

Even before Ann made any comments about them, I thought do these women think they are the ONLY ONES who lost loved ones.

I can't believe they are blaming Bush as if he personally told the terrorist to bomb NY, D.C. & PA.
Don't they realize this is a big country and that Monday morning quarterbacking is always easy.

Maybe they should be bashing Al-Quida, not this administration which was not in charge when most of these people came into the country.

Millie A #45

It is also quite possible that they are correct and that preznit blush is wrong.

He is not so unpopular because he is doing the proper thing for everyone.

They have even cut money to fight terrorism in that area. Lots of people are up in arms about it, as they should be.

Whether you're on target, off target, a troll, a Democrat or a Republican, listen up. Ann Coulter is a sideshow, a three ring circus slut who shows up every six months, puts on her microskirt, gives us a flash of thigh and silicone chest, spews her hate filled vomit, then goes back to her life, which probably consists of drinking large amounts of expensive Chardonay and chain smoking French cigarettes. Then she thinks up another topic that will stir up the juices of the lemmings, hires a ghost writer, makes a few changes, then hits the circuit again. She and her publisher do this for one reason--money.

And just look at how she's gotten people stirred up on this blog. My, my, my. Not that this ranting about her will do any good, but it is fun, isn't it. She's not going to change, the Dems are not going to change, nor the Republicans, nor the trolls.

So here's a suggestion for a new thread to replace this one. I'm going to go read the RFK, Jr. article and report back on it tonight or tomorrow morning. As long as we're going to ventilate, let's at least have a credible source to ventilate about

Bill Chickering

Millie, so you agree with mr coulter that the widows shouldnt exploit the situation? Please explain how what she is doing is different.

Maybe the administration should be bashing Al-Queda. I dont think the widows were out supporting Al-Queda or anything like that.

I wonder why the widows are unhappy with BushCo. their loved ones are dead so naturally they just want to know why, but the administration refused to investigate. Without the widows, there would have been no 9/11 Commission Report. BushCo tried to block any investigation...wonder why. I wonder why Bush, Cheney, and Rice refused to talk under oath or have their accounts recorded. And when the commision was done all their findings had to be cleared by the people being being investigated. Don't you wonder what was in the pages that were ommitted, and why they were ommitted. The man supposedly responsible is a former CIA operative, but no mention in the report. They say there was a massive defense failure, but no one was held accountable. The families were told the report was based on their questions, yet most of those question weren't answered. If Bin Laden was responsible, then why is BushCo now "not really that concerned about him." The admonistration's only response any time things get uncomfortable is to attack the messenger. And tht's what they are doing here, too. It's not because no one has answered any of their questions, or because the administration was against an investigation. The real problem is those widows.

Ann Coulter is not exploiting the 9/11 widows. She doesn't care one way or the other. She's just cashing in. That's what she knows how to do best. She creates revenue for herself and her publisher.

Both Bush and Coulter will throw out the red meat and watch the hounds gather. If it hurts the poor, so what. If it hurts the widows, so what. What both of them have managed to do quite well these past six years is distract us. What we do, (as Brian does quite well), is appeal to logic and reason, which is how intelligent people respond.

The problem is that logic and reason do not reach people like Bush and Coulter. Logic and reason do not reach the fringe right. You see it all the time on the talk shows. Someone with a reasonable argument, (like Brian), will get shouted down.
I often wonder if what we need to do is meet these people on their own turf and start swinging a few nightsticks of our own. It seems to be the only kind of persuasion they understand.

Bill Chickering

Out of the all the widows and widowers that have come out of 9-11, why these 5 gold diggers insist on exploiting their losses while others are just simply dealing with it is beyond me.

I don't approve of Ann's choice of words, but I agree with her premise.

i think it's odd when someone will come out and say he/she thinks some of our rights are being violated, and immediately it becomes about liberals and repugs. The things that are going on in this country isnt about libs and repugs. That is what they want you to believe...libs + repugs = division. If you already know who youre voting for then you are no better than ann coulter, i believe she probably has already made up her mind, too. Why not wait and see who really impresses you. Hell, it may even be a 3rd party. It seems to me everyone wants the same thing, an honest gov't we can feel comfortable representing the American people. Then when something like voter fraud is brought up, we know there will be a legit investigation into it, and not just a continuing attitude as if it doesnt exsist.

As far as voting for Bush or Kerry, thats like an inner squad scrimmage. Sure there is a contest between opponents, but at the end of the day they are still on the same team.

Those of you who describe yourselves as "republicans" or "the right", I must ask you a question. You (and ann coulter) claim that libs hate America. The administrations claims that terrorists hate America because of our freedoms. So then why have we had to give up some of our rights? The patriot act infringed on rights we had pre-9/11. Since the terrorists hate our freedoms, wouldn't taking some of our freedoms be pleasing to them.

BushCo sees the problem: They attacked us because of our freedoms.
BushCo offers solution: Give up some freedoms and the gov't will be able to prevent another attack.

So you tell me who hates America.

The Radical Bridge

9/11 is a lie that screams so loudly

It is the poison pill that lies beneath the tongue
Not unlike the murders of Abraham, Martin and John
Ohio’s Kent State and the votes never counted
The violence rocks the foundations to keep us down

Amidst the chaos and fury
The left/right of the same cabal never revealing cause
With the Protocols for the New American Century
Gonna slash and burn it to the ground

Caught-up in the human persona
Between the spirit and the beast
The pestilence of psychological deception
It wasn’t suppose to go down this way

As the desire to live is vanquished
Leeched-out with “Propaganda” and PR lies
With all these mergers of vertical disintegration
Designed to eliminate authentic organic growth

To let go of all you love

Sure these guys are all about winning
As they grovel in mountains of fiat chips and pirated gold
Like feudal landlords they chattel their cattle
Preparing to cull the herd when the time is ripe

We start out with the visions of the kingdom
Only to be pushed and pulled into the box
Designed by hucksters and corporate executioners
Leaving nothing but the desperation to get out

The American vision fell with those twin towers
A heaving hunk of molten ash
Hidden deep within the structural center
Lay the lethal injection to end the dream

The dark power pulls so strongly

Move to the fascist global ovens
Forfeit our fabled communal way of life
Make room for the machines that keep on churning
Disconnect from those who might have been

As the deciders stack the decks and the tables
The creative vision tossed into the trash
The word of God, a harsh condemnation
The gift of birth reserved for those born to win

We can obediently consume the potion
Adopt the posture of the tortured man
Or sling the poison back unto this alien creature
As it nervously fumbles the power ring

How could we ever rise above?

Rise up against this manufactured terror
Wake up to the responsibilities and joys of life
Realize the power of the Vision
Cast these evildoers to their apocalyptic hell

Recognize the ever-present serendipity
With everything on the line
To end the separation
We have to start to live and be as one

Rise up and be counted
Rise up and take that shot
Dance to the divination
Sing the song that’s longing in your heart

Don’t let them scare you to stop creating

Take your neighbors hand as the sun is ascending
Look into the eyes of God as it slips into the sea
Due on to others with respect and compassion
Only then will the angels sleep

On our journey through life’s passages
The fragrances and memories still linger in the air
We are here to create and learn the mysteries
Merging with the light went it’s time to go

By Gary Schofield dedicated to his fellow American citizens
CC 06/06/06

Her next book: "PRESERVING A CRACKED MIRROR IMAGE" by O. U. R. AN IGNORANT WITCH

Is there any way we can get Ann Coulter to wear an "I support the GOP" shirt or button every time she speaks publicly? She's doing more to cement their image in the public eye than almost anyone else. I don't think I've ever been so happy to have someone on the "other" side in nearly every issue that comes along.

Now if we can just get the next Republican presidential candidate to stand between Ann "I don't know where I live" Coulter and Pat "I beat the world weight record for leg presses" Robertson for photo ops....

Keep talkin Ann. You're doin a heckuvajob.

As far as "exploitation" - like it or not, the best agents for positive change are always those who have lived through the circumstances of the situation.

In their response (HERE) , the widows Coulter berated didn't stoop to her level, they simply addressed her accusations

"Contrary to Ms. Coulter’s statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day."

With that, they dismissed her - and moved on to addressing some of the deparately needed changes that have STILL not been made to make this country safer.

But thank goodness Congress is tackling the really tough, high priority issues this week, things that will make us ALL safer.

Someone may sneak a nuclear bomb in a crate through one of our harbors, but at least when we see two men or two women we've never met walking together on the streets of any town in this country, we know that George W. Bush did everything he could to make sure they can't get legally married.

CZARAGORN - Comment # 37

the smug ultra right-wing fascist statement you
refer to,.. I believe is this one here,..

(essentially saying)
Bu$$hco team are "Empire Builders",.. we intend to rule the world,.. why don't you liberal Democrats take a quick step backwards and get out of our way,.. better yet,.. why don't you folks just get lost,.. PERMENENTLY !

(actual statement below)
____________________

In an interview with a senior adviser to Bush:

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality --- judiciously, as you will --- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

In re: Ms. (Mr.?) Coulter: As Daniel Webster said on the floor of the US Senate, in response to an effort to shut off a filibuster, "No, no!! Let the fool fully speak his mind, so that all may know him for what he is!" 'Nuf said. NBC/Lauer are just other corporate shills, for whom Coulter is simply an additional paid squawker. We shouldn't bother with such sewerage as they/she(he) represent.

See a tongue-in-cheek visual depicting "The New War On Terror: Afgh-Ann-A-Skank"...here:

www.thoughttheater.com

I don't normally post on sites, but I felt that after hearing Ann Coulter's comments I had no choice. This woman, or whatever she is, is a filthy, disgusting human being who has no morals and no ethics. The fact that her book is on the bestsellers list tells me that there is something very wrong in our country. Why are people blindly following her and the worse president in history? I have to throw a religious spin on this because Coulter believes all liberals are Godless. I'm a liberal, and a Christian and I love regardless of race, religion, color, sexual preference etc WHY? Because we are all human and NO ONE has the right to judge anyone for their actions, we are not God and NO ONE can speak for him. People like Coulter and W think they have the bat phone direct to God's ear, but they don't and for all of the problems, pain, hatred etc they have caused, they will reap it back 10 fold.

What also insults me is someone spewing hate and taking up the cross at the same time, its blasphemous! Our president started a ficitious war against the WRONG ENEMY and many young men and women get killed all for his delight.

People drowned in their own living rooms while waiting for help from a vacationing president.

People who love one another can't get married because he is trying to get his "sheep" to vote for the bastards in congress and the senate.

Does all this sound sinister? Does this sound evil? Does it sound like they're the ones we need to fear?? I don’t l know for sure but if I was the devil, I’d be looking for recruits with credentials just like this.

Coulter will have to answer to God for her comments of hate and intolerance, which is the only comfort I find in her existence, that she is not the final judge and she WILL be judged for her gross and blatant hatefulness. I try not to hate people, but I come as close to hatred as I dare to when I hear her name. She will surely burn in hell, and W. and Chaney and the other cronies will be a part of the BBQ too.

man,

ann definately crossed the line on that one. i dont know what the hell she was thinking when she wrote that, or appeared on that show and defended it. your guess is as good as mine there.

i can only say, contrary to your opinions i am sure, that conservatives are not evil bastards like that. and i can assure you the backlash from her "own" will be harsh. i dont plan to buy the book. but i will read it. right at the store without going to the checkout.

authors hate that.

On which national outlet is this bitch appearing next? Can someone find out and get their phone numbers posted so that we can all call and demand that her appearance be dropped?

Ann embodies the misery of the morons with money. She's not worthy of scorn or any other emotion.

I guess freedom of speech is only for the liberals in this country. What a joke you liberals are to rant and rave about a women whio has as much a right to free speech as the jersey women. Quit crying and try to get your party to undersatand that they hurt the country, not help it. When ted kennedy and john kerry spout their crap there are no complaints. Michael Moore spouts more bull then anybody i know and you liberals flock to him like the pied piper. Read the book first and i think you'll find that Ann Coulter makes more sense than you give her credit for.

Although I understand Ann Coulter’s view that it is hard to respond to liberal protesters like Cindy Sheehan and the Jersey Girls because their political messages are based on personal tragedies, I find it laughable that Coulter brought this point up in the first place. Coulter is just as guilty, if not more guilty, than these protesters in trying to base politics on some unarguable point—-being that she claims the Conservative right is working in the name of God, and that Jesus himself would support her book. Having respect for the dead and their loved ones is just as sacred as having respect for God. If Coulter is correct, both sides are guilty of the crime she points to; if she isn’t correct, than Coulter has no point to make. Either may, she looks like an idiot.

People, calm down and don't buy in to Ann Coulter's plan, which is to turn controversy into cash. Just like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps, et. al., the more controversy she can stir-up, the more attention to her poor excuses for reading material she receives. (Although I find her photo to be the perfect laxative. One look and my bowels move!) It's like the proverbial question of, "Why do we stare at a car wreck?"

The best way to make this classless, Christless excuse for a human being go away is to ignore her and send e-mails to the media asking that they NOT give her air time.

Ann Coulter is like a hemorroid, she's a pain in the ass but do nothing and she'll eventually go away.

Please, stop giving her the attention that she craves, courts and contrives to bring attention to herself so that people will buy her books.

According to "The Brad Blog", her address of public record is: 242 Seabreeze Avenue, Palm Beach Florida 33480-6129. If you have something to say to her, write her direct!

Let the ignorant, ultra, right wing fanatics follow their leader but don't get sucked into her hype. She needs people to be pissed to sell her stupid books and only someone as stupid as she is would buy her books.

Anybody with half a brain, a heart and a sense of compassion knows that NONE of the surviving family members of any 9/11 victim has enjoyed their loss. Rest assured in the knowledge that millions of people will celebrate the day that this arrogant, ignorant, Dr. Laura wanna-be gets recalled to hell by dropping dead.

Even if it's decades away, I feel comfort in knowing that I won't have to see the likes of Ann Coulter, and her followers, when I get to Heaven. Ms. Coulter can meet her maker knowing that for every one person that supported her moronic views, there are millions of others who will be glad she's gone. What kind of legacy have you left if people are glad you're not living anymore?

Oh, and is it just me or does she appear to have an adam's apple? Hummm...

To Annie: All I can say is AMEN! I'm writing to her, I'm sure her mailbox is fake, but if we fill it up, someone will take notice.

To Gator: Can you please play another record? Anytime someone has a spine enough to stand up to you guys, you fall back on Micheal Moore!!

Speech in this country is free so you can say whatever you want (at least until that right is taken away), but this is NOT about politics, its about morals and having a conscience and anyone who would defend this monster's actions is as Godless as she claims all the "liberals" to be.

If Coulter was a liberal and stooped this low with regards to a conservative (Schiavo's parents), she would be taken out, tarred & feathered and then lynched by you guys!

If she is fighting dirty then we all should be able to respond to her the same way, you get what you give and reap what you sow.

Actually, I think it can be a good thing that Coulter gets on National TV and demonstrates how using your dead loved ones as rocket booster for political activism, presidential endorsements, and gross profiteering while spewing repulsive, anti-American, anti-Christian statements that give the lie to "give peace a chance" — because it shows the American people just how batshit crazy the Jersey Girls, Cindy Sheehan, and their ilk really are. I say let 'er rip! Give those hate-mongers enough rope to hang themselves. Let people see their true colors, let people see what "save the whales" is in store for them the second they step out of the Chomsky company line, how they will be ridiculed and vilified in the blink of an eye.