MIKE STARK: Thanks for taking the time and doing the interview. You know, you and I have been at loggerheads over this. I don't think it was really fair to insert sections of the video with James O'Keefe dressed out as a pimp if he was actually representing himself as a Congressman trying to help these women.

ANDREW BREITBART: Ask a question.

STARK: Sure. I've been floating the idea of having Congressional hearings that would call O'Keefe and maybe Hannah in and provide them with immunity in exchange for compelled testimony. In other words …

BREITBART: That's great. I, I agree with that, too. We could have a joint, I would agree to that as well and I'd sign a document to that effect.

STARK: That would be fantastic. Could you do that now? Could you write something up?

BREITBART: I mean, you get it to me and I'll sign it. I would love Congressional hearings on this.

STARK: That would be fantastic. Now, I want to be clear. The Congressional hearings would be investigating James O'Keefe, not ACORN.

BREITBART: I'm perfectly fine with that.

STARK: And his methods and, you know …

BREITBART: I would love that.

STARK: I think the reason is …

BREITBART: I would love that. So, you don't need to, you can ask me a question. I don't need your pontificating. I said [i]I would love that.[/i]

STARK: Then why not just release the full unedited videos, because I think that's one of the first things Congress would want to get to?

BREITBART: I would release them. I said that I would release them to Eric Holder as well. I released the full tr-, the full audio transcripts and the full (let's move over here, because I can't hear myself)

STARK: Sorry, man.

Off-Camera Person: We're about to go on, just so you know.

STARK: Okay, well call me, call me when that happens. I didn't want to do this before you've got to go talk to everyone.

BREITBART: When, when Hannah And James came to me with their videos - it was James, technically, it wasn't Hannah - when he came to me, he comes with these edited videos that have a, a title sequence. It has a song. There is a song in the title sequence that is connected to it, not unlike Borat or Ali G …

STARK: Right.

BREITBART: At the very beginning. That's what I saw. When James and I talked about launching these videos, I said, you're going to be held to a different standard than 60 Minutes is going to be held to. You're going to be held to a different standard than Dateline NBC will be held to. In fact, you're going to be held to a different standard than ACORN and NBC are going to be held to, because ACORN did an undercover video at a Jackson Hewett office in which they secretly videotaped the employees because ACORN had a problem with a loaning, uh, a lending practice that they were doing. NBC never offered up the full transcripts in text form, nor did they do it in audio form, but I knew that James and Hannah, in the era of new media, would be held to a higher standard. And so I said, what I would require, in order to help them launch your independent film production, is on the big government site that we're going to launch, I want full transcripts and the full audio. So people could put into context the edited stuff.

STARK: How did the pimp costume add to the context?

BREITBART: How did--? That was in the, I mean, I'm being honest with you.

STARK: I know, I know.

BREITBART: You understand that I've said this before and I'm not hiding anything. Okay …

STARK: It's a simple question, though. How did the pimp costume add to the context?

BREITBART: It's the title sequence, like at the beginning of Borat it has music in it.

STARK: You don't think that was misleading?

BREITBART: Why would it be misleading? I mean, first of all, the thing is, if you pay attention to the transcripts, there is a complicated scenario. If you paid attention and if people had shown the …

STARK: Well, you saw the New York Times.

BREITBART: Let me, let me finish. I'm answering your question. Why it matters what a pimp is wearing, whether they're dressed, you know, in a tutu or dressed in a flamboyant outfit, when you go in and you try and act like a pimp, you're a pimp, okay? So it never dawned on me, who saw the edited videos and who read the transcripts, and who heard the audio, and that's which I'd required, it never dawned on me that it would ma-, not that it would matter, I didn't know, because James has a video that's looking out like that, so I had no idea their out- was …

STARK: What he was dressed in.

BREITBART: Yeah.

STARK: Sure.

BREITBART: Okay?

STARK: I understand that. I understand that completely.

BREITBART: Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait…

STARK: But now that you know he wasn't dressed in the pimp outfit, why do you continue putting out videos with him dressed in the …

BREITBART: I said it.

STARK: … pimp outfit?

BREITBART: Because it's the title sequence. It's the title sequence with music.

STARK: Which has led a lot of the media to believe that…

BREITBART: Okay, now, now, now, now…well, good…

STARK: … he went into these offices dressed as…

BREITBART: I understand your concern about it, and you have hyperventilated and, you and Eric Boehlert and The BRAD BLOG...

STARK: …Yeah…

BREITBART: … think that this is the most important revelation in the history of the world. Listen to me. John Podesta is in charge of the independent investigation, put Scott Harshbarger in charge, not of an investigation into ACORN, into an investigation into Hannah, James, and me, and you're an auxiliary part of that investigation. Okay? It's to kill the messenger on those videos. It is beyond truthful. ABC, CBS, and NBC refused to look at the content. You refuse to look at the content and hold ACORN accountable. You don't want ACORN to be investigated. …

STARK: Can I tell you why?...

AB:` I'm finishing, I'm finishing it.

STARK: Sorry. I'd like to tell you why afterward.

BREITBART: You're finishing it. You're coming after us. Media Matters was started by John Podesta. John Podesta's kill the messenger strategy, you're playing into it. There was no investigation. They…after the first two videos, ACORN said, thank you, Hannah and James, we fired those people because those were bad. They changed the strategy and during that investigation time they tried to compile the best possible strategy to try and destroy us. And so now the only faux discrepancy, the only faux discrepancy that you can point out is one that never dawned on anyone, that people, that people thought …

STARK: That's not quite true.

BREITBART: Why, why would it matter …?

STARK: Because the reason I'm concerned is …

BREITBART: Why would it matter?

STARK: I went to your press conference, and what you told us in the press conference is that James O'Keefe posed as a Congressional candidate looking to launder money for his Congressional campaign. Putting two and two together, I got the idea - and nobody knows because the videos were misleadingly edited with that pimp outfit to begin with - but I …

BREITBART: There is another hand …

STARK: Hold on. I gotta finish.

BREITBART: There is another hand.

STARK: I got the idea that he went in there as a Congressional candidate trying to save this woman from prostitution and not only that, but …

BREITBART: Read the transcripts….

STARK: … she was going to bring the underaged …

BREITBART: No, read the transcripts. Read the transcripts. Read the transcripts. You avoid looking at what's on there. And what I've said is this, over and over …

STARK: That's a fair point.

BREITBART: This is what I've said over and over: I have nothing to hide. But here's the deal. You are an unwitting dupe of John Podesta and Scott Harshbarger and Andy Stern, who helped oversee that thing as well. They don't want to look at the commonality of what you see on those ACORN tapes. That's a level of corruption, the Washington Post said to me when they asked me about it, they said, "Those were just a bunch of dum-dums." I thought that was patronizing and condescending to the highest order. Why? Why are those people stupid? They're not stupid. They were creating 501c(3)s in order to protect people who wanted to create a criminal operation, and it happened in every office except for one. The level of sophistication that these people had, in order to take people who, regardless of whether you were a pimp or a prostitute, who should not be using federal, you know, monies, in order to aid and abet it, the investigation should be on them. This is a classic case of …

STARK: Two last points I …

BREITBART: What I'm going, this is a classic case of …

STARK: Sure.

BREITBART: … the left trying to kill the messenger and not wanting to look at what's on the tape. And I've said this. I said that I used trickery in one, in one sense, where I, where I said the mainstream media is going to ignore this. So I didn't tell them how many videos there were, and it forced the mainstream media to at least acknowledge that the story exist …

STARK: …That was a great strategy on your part….

BREITBART: Right. Okay?

STARK: …Rolling them out, and your alliance with Fox News …

BREITBART: And right now, and right now …

STARK: … I think has worked out wonderfully for you guys.

BREITBART: Hello Eric Boehlert, hello The BRAD BLOG, hello anyone else …

STARK: I'm sure they'll see this, all right?

BREITBART: Okay? Hello to anyone that thinks that I was misleading. I did not know that there was a discrepancy between the title sequence, I didn't think it was significant. I saw the videos. I read the transcripts to make sure that there was continuity, and my only mistake - and I've admitted it to Brad, I've admitted it, now that I now know about it - is that there is a title sequence and it doesn't reflect what he was wearing when he was in there. But he still represented himself as a pimp. Now, here's the point.

STARK: Hold on. I gotta …

BREITBART: No, no, I'm going to …

STARK: 'Cuz I want you to address one thing and I'm going to run out of time.

BREITBART: No, no, no, no, no. I've told what Eri-, this is for Eric, this is for Brad, and this is for John Podesta and Andy Stern and Scott Harshbarger. As I said, I want the media to see these videos. They refuse to show them because if anybody that sees the videos is offended by them and wants to know why ACORN gets federal money and why a group that supposedly helps minorities and low income people, why its founder abided by his brother embezzling millions of dollars from it and a Democratic donor in New Jersey paid the money back and kept Dale Rathke, Wade Rathke's thing. This is a Caucasian laundered money that should be going to the inner city. Nobody wants to look at the rancid, uh, uh, uh, organization that would aid and abet in underaged prostitution rings and that would allow for a guy who embezzled money to stay within the organization. Nobody wants to look at ACORN. They want to look at this minor discrepancy. I offered up the transcripts. I offered up the videos. And right now Eric Boehlert and BRAD BLOG are, "Show us the videos, show us the videos, show us the videos." I've said this, time and again, and I will say it one more time: I want the world to see the videos. If I give them to you and they show everything that I want, you're not going to report on them. You're going to go, "Uh-oh, they were telling the truth."

STARK: But you wouldn't have lost anything…

BREITBART: But, and I'm now daring you. I'm daring you. Either Eric Bohlert, or John Podesta, or George Soros, or somebody other newsworthy person who would cause the mainstream media to show up and watch this. I will show the entire video. I will take any question under oath and I will, I will, I will tell the truth. I've told the truth the entire, I will tell the truth the entire way, as I have, but I am daring you guys who think that you can extricate ACORN, you have, you could care less about the, the, the, the, Eric Bohlert, you're disgusting. You could care less …

STARK: This is between …

BREITBART: No, no, no. I'm talking to you…

STARK: Because I still have a question. I still have a question. [laughs] Listen. I will post this entire video unedited…

BREITBART: Yeah.

STARK: You have that promise from me. The second thing was, first, I think you'd would be better served in the future if you took off, if you have more videos comin' out, if you took off the pimp outfit in the beginning.

BREITBART: Whyyyyy?

STARK: And the third question I have is …

BREITBART: Whyyyyy?

STARK: Because …

BREITBART: Why does it care? Why does it maaaaatteeeer? It means nothing! He's a pimp! In a thing! It doesn't matter! It was a title sequence! Do you see…

STARK: Because you gave everybody …

BREITBART: Do you say this to Bo…do you say this to Borat? Do you go, "When, at the, at the beginning of Borat, you're dressed like this, and then in the next scene you're dressed in a different way?"

STARK: If that, if that wasn't in there like that, nobody would have any reason to attack you.

BREITBART: [at same time as above] It was presented as new media show.

BREITBART: [continuing] No. No, no, no.

STARK: That was the one, you've said it yourself, that was the one …

BREITBART: [at the same time as above] The only people attacking me are people who are trying to make something out of nothing. It's a diver…it's a diversionary tactic. That's what it is.

STARK: The second thing …

BREITBART: Nobody cares except for you knuckleheads.

STARK: The second thing I wanted to say is that you folks have been meticulous in correcting things …

BREITBART: Pimp, prostitute walk into multiple ACORN offices and …

STARK: Stop it…

BREITBART: … in every single one except for Felix Harris in Los Angeles, who we even showed you, this guy didn't fall for the trick. He's ACORN's employee of the year. Nobody batted an eye. You don't know a single person in your life, I would hope, that would aid and abet a prostitution ring for underage kids and ACORN is ready with this…with the methodology to do so and you care about whether or not this, the, the, the outfit. I will show the full videos and I'm happy with this title sequence. He - is - an independent film producer. I can't tell him what to put on these things.

STARK: Right…

BREITBART: Your problem with, is James, and I said I will let, I have no problem with him testifying before Congress!

STARK: With full investigations, and you would testify as well. I think that's great.

BREITBART: Transparency.

STARK: I'm trying to offer you advice here.

BREITBART: I don't need advice from you. You're a propagandist for the left.

STARK: You've been very, very meticulous…

BREITBART: …Yes…

STARK: in insisting on corrections from media outlets that get things wrong, like …

BREITBART: Right.

STARK: …Like bugging the office where he wasn't …

BREITBART: Right.

STARK: Why not be equally meticulous …

BREITBART: I have…

STARK: … in telling the New York Times …

BREITBART: I, I …

STARK: … he was not dressed as a pimp, the way you reported, when he went into the office.

BREITBART: But what I saw through the title sequence, that's when I reported that …

STARK: But now you know it's not true.

BREITBART: Okay, right.

STARK: But why not enter some …

BREITBART: And I've stated, and I have.

STARK: Then correcting things.

BREITBART: And I said.

STARK: You've asked the New York Times for a correction?

BREITBART: [pause] I don't think it matters, but here's what I'll, here's what I'll say. I can understand your concern. It doesn't matter [laughs] at all.

STARK: To you.

BREITBART: Why does it matter?

STARK: Because it matters to everyone else. And everyone else…

BREITBART: No, not, not everybody else…

STARK: Every, every, everyone else has used that as a shoehorn to discredit you.

BREITBART: [at same time as above] Why I'm saying is… no, no….

BREITBART: [continuing] The only people who use it as a shoehorn are people who want to discredit me because …

STARK: Why give them the shoehorn?

BREITBART: Because, because I made you guys look idiotic and you want to destroy me.

STARK: It doesn't matter …

BREITBART: And what I'm saying is, is that you have not investigated ACORN. And if you want this so badly, I'm going to help create more under-media attention here. By creating more under-media attention here, you're drawing more attention to the ACORN videos. I said I will go in front of these people who do drive-by hits. Eric Bohlert makes points that don't make, don't make sense …

STARK: I'm just about out of time. You gotta wrap it up. It just beeped at me. Sorry. I apologize.

BREITBART: Okay.

STARK: I just am. [laughs] Hey, listen. I'm glad you came out and did the interview. I appreciate it.

BREITBART: Don't hound Hannah.

STARK: I won't.

BREITBART: Don't hound Hannah.

STARK: I'll leave her alone.

BREITBART: She's a very lovely girl.

STARK: I don't know about that, but I'll be nice to her.

BREITBART: Be a gentleman. Be a gentleman. She exposed corruption that you don't care about.

STARK: I don't know about it yet.

BREITBART: You don't care about it. The transcripts and the audio were their, baby, and you care about what the pimp was wearing.

STARK: Well, I care about, uh …

BREITBART: That's disgusting….

STARK: … honest journalism.

BREITBART: No, you don't.

STARK: I honestly do.

BREITBART: No, you don't.

STARK: I honestly do.

BREITBART: No, you don't care about what's on the video.

STARK: Because you know why? I do, I do something very similar to you folks.

BREITBART: That's where our federal money's going. That's where your federal money comes from. You do this with The Yes Men? Do you tell The Yes Men …

STARK: [at same time as above] And when his new media, he calls himself new media, and …

BREITBART: Do you tell Michael Moore that he needs to …

STARK: [at same time as above] His tarnishing our brand hurts.

BREITBART: Yeah, no. Do you go after Michael Moore and do you go after The Yes Men and do you go after the Merry Pranksters? Do you go after the unfortunately named Dick Tuck? Do you go after, uh, Paul Krassner? Do you go after people … Hunter Thompson? Did you see …?

STARK: None of those folks are misleading their viewers.

BREITBART: Did you tell, okay, when Hunter Thompson …

STARK: And calling themselves journalists.

BREITBART: When Hunter Thompson would take hallucinatory …

STARK: Yeah.

BREITBART: … drugs, okay? And he would envision his subjects, like President Nixon, as if he were a lizard on a wall, while he was on the presidential plane [recording ends]

Transcribed by Emily Levy