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   Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 2:48pm PT: [Permalink]

   To get things started…this from Drudge:

   "FORMER WSJ REPORTER AND BEST-SELLING AUTHOR RON SUSKIND QUOTES BUSH AS TELLING A PRIVATE LUNCHEON OF TOP SUPPORTERS: ‘I’M GOING TO BE REAL POSITIVE, WHILE I KEEP MY FOOT ON JOHN KERRY’S THROAT.’

   A SENIOR BUSH CAMPAIGN STAFFER EXPLAINS THE BUSH COMMENT IS JUST TEXAN FOR ‘I’M NOT GOING TO LET HIM DODGE HIS LIBERAL RECORD.’"

   Should be an interesting debate! 🙂

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   Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:02pm PT: [Permalink]

   Our rightwing friends (powerlineblog.com) are already blaming "the establishment" for not allowing Bush to be re-elected.

   It’s never Bush’s fault.

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   Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:02pm PT: [Permalink]

   Brad, but if you got it from Drudge, it *can’t* be true 😀

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   Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:04pm PT: [Permalink]

   So right now on the split screen, I see a horse in a blue suit with a red tie talking, and a monkey in a blue suit with a red tie listening. 🙂

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   Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:04pm PT: [Permalink]

   (Good to see ya, Troll!)

   Red Tie for Bush for the first time! I guess he really means bidness now! And he’s *really* working hard to smile while Kerry’s talking! Wonder why? 🙂

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   Fin said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:04pm PT: [Permalink]

   Bush is going to be throwing around "liberal" tonight like it’s going out of style. Kerry needs to turn that against him. Say that "Bush wants to call me a liberal and call himself a conservative but neither are true." Kerry needs to show how un-conservative Bush is with respect to fiscal policy. All Bush has left in this election is the "L" word. If Kerry keeps throwing the "C" word back in Bush’s face it’ll drive Bush crazy.

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   Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:07pm PT: [Permalink]

   Well, Bush IS a conservative, and Kerry IS a liberal. The majority of the American people believe so at least. So to use that against Bush would be silly.

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   Bryan said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:07pm PT: [Permalink]

   Don’t think I ever said I wasn’t worried about Osama Bid Laden…

   Not even five minutes before the first lie! What a night it’s going to be!

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   Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:08pm PT: [Permalink]

   (Server slow tonight…Hey Fin! That’s a good line! You should write for Kerry!)

   Bush = Mr. Optimism tonight! Wanna bet he runs outta gas before it’s over?

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:12pm PT: [Permalink]

    Senator John Kerry, earned more money tonight, while plugging his insurance company – Blue Cross / Blue Shield. Terms of the deal are not disclosed as of this time.

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:13pm PT: [Permalink]

    Good catch, Bryan! You’re right! We’ve got Audio on that one! This’ll be fun 🙂 (And welcome!)

    Bush’s makeup is better. He looks to be in brighter lights on split-screen anyway (C-Span)

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:15pm PT: [Permalink]

    Speaking of C-Span…the volume seems to be way lower than other channels…maybe its just over here in Michigan

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:17pm PT: [Permalink]

    Uh, oh…Spittle Alert!!!! Could take him down!

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:18pm PT: [Permalink]

    Not to anyone’s surprise, I agree with Bush. Public Education sucks. I hate working for them, and I hated going there as a kid (and my district is one of the top end ones in Michigan)

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:20pm PT: [Permalink]

    Why does Kerry say Bush dodged the question, then go off on a tangent himself about other things the President has done wrong…

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:22pm PT: [Permalink]

    When Kerry doesn’t show up for the majority of his meetings, what does that say about him fighting for the American worker the same way he fights for his job? By not showing up? Does that mean if there’s problems he’ll ignore us?

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:23pm PT: [Permalink]

    He covered it, Troll, in his next answer. Which I think was a good (and effective) one.

    (Spittle still in place. Will haunt this Presidency forever!)

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:24pm PT: [Permalink]

    I’m not seeing the spittle on my 13" TV 🙁

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:25pm PT: [Permalink]

    "Undecideds Voter Meter" on cbsnews.com — Keeping an eye on it now. Will report notable fluxuations. It’s a few seconds behind the TV Broadcast (did Bush just cheat, by the way? And talk outta turn?)

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:26pm PT: [Permalink]

    You really like that CBS poll don’t ya Brad… 😀

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:28pm PT: [Permalink]

    I think I’m scaring them all away with my conservative views Brad :hehe:

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:35pm PT: [Permalink]

    :O what a coincidence…Kerry blamed the Administration for high health care costs…

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:35pm PT: [Permalink]

    Spittle still in place. Dubya getting whiny again. Two mentions (so far) of "out of the Mainstream" and Kerry is again consistently Presidential. Worse Republican nightmare. But he could afford to be a bit sunnier and more aggressive IMO.

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well ! I completely forgot about tonight. 🙁

    i’ll see if I can still catch anything now but unfortunately my computer & tv aren’t in the same room. 🙁

    I wish I could join the conversation but seeing as how I have to get up at 6:00 am – I will probably fall asleep in front of the TV again.

    Sorry Brad . Really wanted to join in this time. 🙁

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:42pm PT: [Permalink]

    cbsnews.com allows you to watch live streaming (with an "Undecideds Meter" next to it to boot, Mrs. J!)

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:42pm PT: [Permalink]

    low blow by Bush about the news organizations…it felt classless…

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:46pm PT: [Permalink]

    "i have a record of fiscal responsibility"

    Kerry, blatantly lying. Now, Bush isn’t really a fiscal conservative, but he’s a ton more fiscally conservative than Kerry.

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    Mrs. Johanna said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:47pm PT: [Permalink]

    Hey , how about that!

    Okay. Count me in! 🙂

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:50pm PT: [Permalink]

    There he goes with the stock market again….

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:51pm PT: [Permalink]

    Kerry voted for Balanced Budget Amendment *years* ago. That is *not* a blatant lie. Bush has blown out the budget more than *any* "Liberal" ever. He is *not* conservative. That’s a fact. Check the record and the numbers, Troll. It’s fact.

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:52pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well the stock market *did* go down like that. If it was me, I’d point to the fact that when the recession started, none of Bush’s fiscal policies were in place, so the recession WAS inherited, even if it technically started weeks after he was sworn in.

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:53pm PT: [Permalink]

    So long as there is not an American willing to do the job? Call me crazy, but didn’t they just talk about how many million Americans are unemployed?

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:54pm PT: [Permalink]

    My take on immigration:

    Hey California…illegals shouldn’t have drivers licenses or the right to vote. Those people know who they are…I’m sure Brad would agree with me on this…at least I hope :O

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:56pm PT: [Permalink]

    "It shows he doesn’t know the borders".

    *L* Sorry troll, but that was pathetic.

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:57pm PT: [Permalink]

    "I’m tired of hearing about Family Values from politicians that don’t value families". Good line!

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:57pm PT: [Permalink]

    Finally! Talking about the minimum wage!

    Kerry talks about 9.2 million women earning 3 million more a year.

    Here’s some common sense: When a company is required to pay more to the workers by law, what happens – companies lay off workers or raise prices. Neither of which help anyone except those at the minimum wage.

    The money doesn’t grow on trees folks…

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 3:59pm PT: [Permalink]

    WOW! First time over 2 and almost to 3 during Kerry’s "Minimum Wage" answer on the "Undecideds Meter"! First BIG spike I’ve seen all night.

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:00pm PT: [Permalink]

    (Didn’t happen when the Minimum Wage was raised during the Clinton Admin, Troll. Sorry, history doesn’t bare out your claim)

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:00pm PT: [Permalink]

    Ok, I didn’t like Kerry’s "I’m tired of politicians …" bit.

    A little too "holier than thou" , for me.

    Ps. Bush jumped in again. So rude…

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:01pm PT: [Permalink]

    Clinton didn’t raise the minimum wage by roughly $2 Brad !!! Thats the difference.

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:03pm PT: [Permalink]

    (We’ll fact check it after the debates, amigo) 🙂

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:05pm PT: [Permalink]

    Yay. Great job talking about alliances . he’s got my vote! 😉

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:05pm PT: [Permalink]

    How can you double the amount of special forces? Wouldn’t that make them not as *special*….thats the thing about special forces…you can’t just take people off the street or from any place and put them in there. They are the "best of the best." Kerry’s been mentioning the special forces for months now, and he’s never said how he would do it, only offering the typical politician’s empty promise to look good. They all do it, but I find doubling the amount of troops who are special, who require years of training in some cases, to be absurd.

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:09pm PT: [Permalink]

    God I hate Bush’s body language (and facial expressions).

    And now about guns…*sigh* . I’ll be quiet on this one for fear of you both hating me. 😉

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:11pm PT: [Permalink]

    Everyone can have their opinion Johanna 🙂

    I personally believe that most gun control doesn’t really hurt the criminals, who will obtain illegal weapons while the law abiding citizens don’t. Guns are like anything else – perfectly safe if used in the right way.

    I do support better teaching on how to use weapons in a safe way for recreational purposes.

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:13pm PT: [Permalink]

    Both of ’em gettin’ tired…BUT NOT ME!!! 🙂

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:13pm PT: [Permalink]

    Also Johanna, fortunately body language and facial expressions don’t have any merit on someone’s ability to serve (even if you think Bush is a bad president, its not because of how he talks or looks)

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:13pm PT: [Permalink]

    *LOL*! Look at the look on his face when Kerry mentioned the NAACP!!!

    He didn’t like that….

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:17pm PT: [Permalink]

    Bush tops 2 finally (on the "Undecides Meter") on his "Faith" answer. Reaches about 2.5 for the first time.

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:17pm PT: [Permalink]

    I actually like Bush’s expressions. He has emotion, and feeling! To me it shows an actual sense of caring. In comparision, I look at Senator Kerry, and I see no emotion at all. Its like a robot, who memorized a long speech about many things, then looks up each thing in their database, reciting them verbatim.

    I agree with Kerry now – we need to love our neighbors more. There’s way too much hate in the world.

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:18pm PT: [Permalink]

    Troll, agreed. It was just a side comment.

    I am SO glad this "faith" question came up. I actually saw that interview….

    Funny how he talks about wanting everyone to have their beliefs….Yet, he wants to force his beliefs on everyone….

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:22pm PT: [Permalink]

    Predicting that all that podium banging is gonna haunt Bush in the post-debate.

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:22pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well, I’m glad that you want to get along with your neighbours. Since i’m one of them. 🙂

    I liked Kerry’s answer re: post 9/11.

    Troll – we can discuss Bush & kerry’s expressions tomorrow. I completely (and respectfully) disagree. 🙂

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    Troll said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:23pm PT: [Permalink]

    Gotta love the last question to leave the deabte on a personal note…I’ll leave you guys now…its time for me to hit the bowling alley for my weekly Wednesday night session…have a nice night all 🙂

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:26pm PT: [Permalink]

    I’m off too!

    I like the last question too. I liked Kerry’s little crack about "marrying up". Not sure I got Bushs’ "she speaks English better than me."

    Didn’t find that very funny. I’m so biased! 🙂

    Goodnight!!!

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    Mrs. J said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:27pm PT: [Permalink]

    I’m off too!

    I like the last question too. I liked Kerry’s little crack about "marrying up". Not sure I got Bushs’ "she speaks English better than me."

    Didn’t find that very funny. I’m so biased! 🙂

    Goodnight!!!

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    Brad said on 10/13/2004 @ 4:27pm PT: [Permalink]

    Bush just about hits 3 on his "Wife" joke.

    Kerry may be in trouble about *his* wife joke (though it went up to 2.5 suprisingly).

    Moving to a new Post-Debate Open Thread! Click here to move on over!

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    Paul said on 10/14/2004 @ 4:22am PT: [Permalink]

    Troll has been right all night.

    Bush won the debate as far as I am concerned.

    Very good answers!

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    Brad said on 10/14/2004 @ 8:22am PT: [Permalink]

    Sure. If you consider being wrong and not answering the questions to be "very good answers".

    Given Bush’s record, I could see how you might feel that way.