{"id":14931,"date":"2024-02-08T17:15:56","date_gmt":"2024-02-09T01:15:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=14931"},"modified":"2024-02-08T17:48:05","modified_gmt":"2024-02-09T01:48:05","slug":"constitutional-textualists-at-scotus-seem-ready-to-ignore-text-of-constitution-bradcast-282024","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=14931","title":{"rendered":"Constitutional &#8216;Textualists&#8217; at SCOTUS Seem Ready to Ignore Text of Constitution: &#8216;BradCast&#8217; 2\/8\/2024"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/Images\/BradCast_SCOTUS-RemoveTrump_020824.jpg\" hspace=\"6\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\">We&#8217;ve been telling you for <i>years<\/i> on <a href=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/BradCast\"><i>The BradCast<\/i><\/a> that most rightwingers who claim to be &#8220;Constitutional Conservatives&#8221; &#8212; such as the corrupted bunch now packed onto the Republican <b>U.S. Supreme Court<\/b> supermajority &#8212; are nothing of the sort. Today&#8217;s oral argument at SCOTUS, on whether <b>Donald Trump<\/b> must be disqualified from the 2024 ballot under the very clear text of the Constitution&#8217;s &#8220;Insurrectionist Disqualification Clause&#8221;, appear set to prove that point yet again. [<i>Audio link to full program is posted below this summary.<\/i>]\n<p>In December, the SCOTUS Appears Set to Ignore Text of Constitution&#8217;s &#8216;Insurrectionist&#8217; Clause: &#8216;BradCast&#8217; 2\/8\/2024 found Trump had violated <a href=\"https:\/\/constitution.congress.gov\/browse\/amendment-14\/section-3\/\">Section 3 of the 14th Amendment<\/a>, which bars from office public officials who, after taking an oath to support the Constitution, &#8220;have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same&#8221;. The mandate applies, according to the actual <i>text<\/i> of the clause, to &#8220;any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State&#8221;. The Colorado Supremes compiled an airtight, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.courts.state.co.us\/userfiles\/file\/Court_Probation\/Supreme_Court\/Opinions\/2023\/23SA300.pdf\">200+ page ruling [PDF]<\/a> that was both &#8220;textualist&#8221; (adhering to the simple text of the clause) and &#8220;originalist&#8221; (carefully hewing to the original intent of its post-Civil War framers) in order to appeal to the legal principles supposedly most important to the Republican majority at SCOTUS.<\/p>\n<p>The CO court, finding that Trump had indeed &#8220;engaged in insurrection&#8221; and was thus barred from holding the office of President of the United States, disqualified him from the state&#8217;s 2024 Presidential ballot. Trump appealed their ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court, which heard the case on Thursday. (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/2024\/02\/08\/trump-supreme-court-oral-arguments-transcript-00140499\">Transcript<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.c-span.org\/video\/?532724-1\/supreme-ct-hears-case-fmr-pres-trumps-colorado-ballot-eligibility\">audio<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>While we can&#8217;t know for certain from questions asked at the hearing, the Justices <a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/article\/supreme-court-insurrection-trump-2024-election-397a481d2886b64bba06b24ff3d03f37\">appear set<\/a> to simply ignore the clear meaning of the text of 14.3 in order to allow Trump to run for President this year. Arguments put forward today for doing so &#8212; some of them preposterous and in direct conflict with the framer&#8217;s intent, according to the Congressional Record at the time the 14th Amendment was adopted &#8212; include that the President is not an officer of the United States; that 14.3 bars insurrectionists from holding office, but not from <i>running<\/i> for office; and that the clause, unlike every other section of the 14th Amendment, is not &#8220;self-executing&#8221;. Rather, Congress must create legislation before it can be used against a federal official. (Never mind its history over the past 150 years or so.)<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re joined today to somehow make sense of all of this by former U.S. Deputy Asst. Attorney General <b>LISA GRAVES<\/b>, now of <a href=\"https:\/\/truenorthresearch.org\">True North Research<\/a>, and retired attorney <b>KEITH BARBER<\/b>, who writes on legal and Constitutional matters as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailykos.com\/users\/keithdb\">&#8216;KeithDB&#8217; at Daily Kos<\/a>. They both joined us just after Trump filed his appeal to the High Court <a href=\"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=14888\">earlier this year<\/a> and do so again today to discuss how it all appears to be working out for him. <\/p>\n<p>A fair amount of time during Thursday&#8217;s hearing was spent on the argument that Section 3 allows Congress, by a two-thirds majority vote in each chamber, to waive disqualification for insurrectionists. Thus, the argument goes, Trump can still run for President, even if he cannot &#8220;hold&#8221; the position if elected. That&#8217;s because Congress could, ya never know, decide to grant him amnesty <i>after<\/i> he is elected and before he is sworn in to office. <\/p>\n<p>Graves characterizes the argument as &#8220;absurd&#8221;, describing it as &#8220;counter to the plain-language, commonsense argument on its face.&#8221; It could also, as the attorney for the challengers (a group of Republican and independent voters), noted today, result in the same Congressional chaos on January 6, 20<i>25<\/i> that we saw in 2021. If Trump were to win, but Congress fail to grant him an insurrectionist&#8217;s waiver, he would be barred, according to 14.3, from actually being sworn in to office. SCOTUS seems to be begging for this scenario based on much of today&#8217;s questioning.<\/p>\n<p>Barber suggests it is likely &#8220;that challenges are raised in the electoral certification process&#8221; if Trump wins in November, &#8220;saying that Trump is not eligible for the office, and any Electoral College votes for him must not be counted for that reason.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The meaning&#8221; of Section 3 of the 14th &#8220;could not be clearer in the intent of the drafters,&#8221; argues Graves. &#8220;These supposed &#8216;originalists,&#8217; these supposed &#8216;strict constructionists&#8217; claim to be so devoted to it when striking down access to abortion, marriage equality, our ability to regulate corporations. But here, suddenly they&#8217;re confused. It&#8217;s not confusing if you look at the history and read it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, the Justices &#8212; including at least two of the Court&#8217;s liberals &#8212; appear set to come up with a reason or set of reasons that the Constitution doesn&#8217;t say what it actually says. Why, for example, does Section 3 &#8212; unlike the other sections of the landmark 14th Amendment, such as the requirement for Due Process under the law for all U.S. persons &#8212; suddenly require a law to be written by Congress before it can be executed? (But only against Trump, apparently. It&#8217;s been used without issue many times in the past.) &#8220;In this case, it&#8217;s because the Supreme Court needed it to be,&#8221; says Barber, a former lifelong Republican. &#8220;I don&#8217;t have a better explanation than that.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Are we living under the Constitution or not?,&#8221; asks Graves. &#8220;It seems we are, only to the extent that this faction of the Court wants to impose it. And when it doesn&#8217;t, it does not apply.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>We discuss much more on all of this today&#8217;s, including why <b>Clarence Thomas<\/b> (and, perhaps three <i>other<\/i> Justices on the Court) have not recused themselves from this case given their extraordinary conflicts of interest; whether there is a <a href=\"https:\/\/slate.com\/news-and-politics\/2024\/02\/supreme-court-trump-john-roberts-bargain.html\">&#8220;grand bargain&#8221;<\/a> in the works to strike down the CO Supreme Court&#8217;s mandate while upholding the D.C. Court of Appeals&#8217; <a href=\"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=14927\">ruling this week<\/a> on &#8220;Presidential Immunity&#8221;; and how the attorneys arguing on behalf of Colorado voters missed the opportunity to underscore that, as bipartisan majorities in both chambers of Congress have already voted, Donald Trump <i>is<\/i> an insurrectionist.<\/p>\n<p><i>ALSO TODAY<\/i>: Brighter news, believe it or not, in <a href=\"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=14929\">our latest <i>Green News Report<\/i><\/a> with Desi Doyen! Yes, another one of them shows where the <i>GNR<\/i> actually offers more encouraging news than the rest of the program. 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