{"id":12267,"date":"2017-08-22T18:02:26","date_gmt":"2017-08-23T01:02:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=12267"},"modified":"2017-08-22T18:01:42","modified_gmt":"2017-08-23T01:01:42","slug":"its-complicated-bushs-war-became-obamas-war-becomes-trumps-war-in-afghanistan-bradcast-8222017","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=12267","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;It&#8217;s Complicated&#8217;: Bush&#8217;s War Became Obama&#8217;s War Becomes Trump&#8217;s War in Afghanistan: &#8216;BradCast&#8217; 8\/22\/2017"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/Images\/BradCast_BushObamaTrump_082217.jpg\" hspace=\"6\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\">On today&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/BradCast\"><i>BradCast<\/i><\/a>: Now that he&#8217;s President, after years of <a href=\"http:\/\/talkingpointsmemo.com\/livewire\/trump-says-instinct-was-to-pull-out-afghanistan-changed-mind\">decrying<\/a> &#8220;our very stupid leaders&#8221; for &#8220;wasting&#8221; blood and treasure to stay in Afghanistan, Donald Trump announced on Monday night that the U.S. will be spending more blood and treasure to stay in Afghanistan &#8212; for an indefinite period of time.  [<i>Audio link to show follows below.<\/i>]\n<p>But, he claimed, justifying his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.juancole.com\/2017\/08\/trump-afghanistan-quagmire.html\">flip-flop<\/a>, he has a &#8220;new&#8221; strategy for &#8220;victory&#8221; in the war torn nation, more than 16 and a half years since the U.S. first invaded following the 9\/11 attacks. What exactly is that &#8220;new&#8221; strategy? Based on his prime-time televised <a href=\"https:\/\/m.nytimes.com\/2017\/08\/21\/world\/asia\/trump-speech-afghanistan.html?mcubz=3&#038;_r=0\">address<\/a> from Fort Myer in Arlington, VA, it&#8217;s not entirely clear.  Then again, neither is whatever the hell is going on in Afghanistan. &#8220;It&#8217;s complicated,&#8221; my guest explains today.<\/p>\n<p>Joining me to try and help us understand America&#8217;s longest war and where it goes from here under the ownership of Donald Trump is blogger, historian and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.juancole.com\/about\/toward-authorized-biography\">longtime Middle East\/South Asia expert<\/a> <b>JUAN COLE<\/b>, of the University of Michigan. Professor Cole, who has been <a href=\"https:\/\/www.juancole.com\/asia\/south-asia\/afghanistan\">writing<\/a> about this &#8220;invisible war&#8221; at his <a href=\"http:\/\/JuanCole.com\">&#8220;Informed Comment&#8221; blog<\/a> since 2002, describes the difficulties faced by the last three U.S. Presidents in Afghanistan &#8212; not to mention previous colonial powers from other nations &#8212; and how Trump&#8217;s plans appear to be both different and the same as his two predecessors&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>If President Obama was unable to succeed with his counter-insurgency strategy with 100,000 U.S. troops, it seems unlikely that Trump, with some 12,000 soon to be there, will do much better with his &#8220;not nation building &#8212; killing terrorists&#8221; strategy. <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;There&#8217;s no real danger the Taliban are going to take over the [Afghan] government and kick us out,&#8221; Cole tells me, in trying to explain why we are still there. &#8220;However, if the U.S. got out, I don&#8217;t imagine that the government in Kabul would last more than a year.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So, is it possible to <i>ever<\/i> get out, at this point? What good has 16+ years of bombing, 1 <i>trillion<\/i> in tax-payer dollars and the lives of some 3,500 U.S. troops &#8212; not to mention untold <i>millions<\/i> of Afghans &#8212; actually accomplished? We discuss the roots and the reasons for the ongoing quagmire and much more with the good professor.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Whatever resources and capacity Afghanistan had to be an independent country were destroyed from 1978 forward, once the [Soviet] Communists took over, and then Reagan conducted what I call the &#8216;Reagan Jihad&#8217;,&#8221; Cole explains. &#8220;He got all the Muslim fundamentalists all together &#8212; including what became al-Qaeda &#8212; to kill the Communists. Since that time, since 1978 forward, Afghanistan has been roiled and in turmoil. I figure a couple million people have been killed. The country has no real resources. It&#8217;s one of the poorest countries in the world. So this is just not a place, especially given what was done to it in the last 30 years, that is very likely to stand up a government. This is one of the reasons the U.S. is stuck there.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;The thing that puzzles me &#8212; I can&#8217;t entirely understand it &#8212; is that no one in the United States cares about Afghanistan. No one cares if we&#8217;re there or we&#8217;re not there. If troops are killed over there, it hurts me in my gut. I&#8217;m an Army brat. But they put it on page 17 of the Washington Post. And it <i>never<\/i> comes on cable news,&#8221; says Cole, adding: &#8220;It&#8217;s an invisible war.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>After that conversation today, a quick look at Trump&#8217;s domestic war with the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2017\/08\/22\/us\/politics\/mitch-mcconnell-trump.html\">leadership of his own party<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/c1c76d4c12dc42108737818ba5f16012\">others<\/a>, before we finally turn to Desi Doyen with the latest <a href=\"https:\/\/GreenNews.BradBlog.com\"><i>Green News Report<\/i><\/a>, on how corporate lobbyists from Monsanto, Exxon and other major corporations continue to game the system for their own profits, while playing the rest of us for suckers&#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\".\/Images\/Speaker_Icon_24.png\" style=\"width: 24px; float: none; vertical-align: middle;\"><span style=\"font-size: 18px; line-height: 18px;\"> <b><i><a href=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/audio\/BradCast_BradFriedman_TrumpWarAfghanistan_JuanCole_082217.mp3\">CLICK TO LISTEN OR DOWNLOAD SHOW!&#8230;<\/a><\/i><\/b><br \/>\n[audio:http:\/\/bradblog.com\/audio\/BradCast_BradFriedman_TrumpWarAfghanistan_JuanCole_082217.mp3]<\/blockquote>\n<p><center><b>* * *<\/b><\/center><i>While we post <a href=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/BradCast\"><\/i>The BradCast<i><\/a> here every day, and you can hear it across all of our great affiliate stations and websites, to automagically get new episodes as soon as they&#8217;re available sent right to your computer or personal device, subscribe for free at <a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/the-bradcast-w-brad-friedman\/id803467610\">iTunes<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/stitcher.com\/s\/player.php?fid=25838&#038;src=psl\">Stitcher<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/tunein.com\/radio\/The-BradCast-with-Brad-Friedman-p477565\/\">TuneIn<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/podcastgen\/bradcast\/feed.xml\">our native RSS feed<\/a>!<\/i><\/p>\n<p><!--BB-DONATEPITCH-START--><\/p>\n<div style=\"background:#f5f0e0; border:2px solid #6b5a2e; border-radius:6px; padding:10px 14px; text-align:center; font-family:Georgia,serif;\"><span style=\"display:block; margin:0 0 8px 0; color:#3a2e0e; font-size:0.95em; line-height:1.5;\"><strong>The BRAD BLOG<\/strong>, <em>The BradCast<\/em> and <em>Green News Report<\/em> are all 100% independent and 100% listener and reader supported!<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/Donate\" style=\"display:inline-block; background:#6b5a2e; color:#ffffff; padding:6px 18px; border-radius:4px; font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none; font-family:Georgia,serif; font-size:0.9em;\">Please CLICK HERE to help support our work today!<\/a><\/div>\n<p><!--BB-DONATEPITCH-END--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>On today&#8217;s BradCast: Now that he&#8217;s President, after years of decrying &#8220;our very stupid leaders&#8221; for &#8220;wasting&#8221; blood and treasure to stay in Afghanistan, Donald Trump announced on Monday night that the U.S. will be spending more blood and treasure to stay in Afghanistan &#8212; for an indefinite period of time. 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