READER COMMENTS ON
"'Daily Voting News' For June 28, 2006"
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COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 5:44 pm PT...
good job, John ... as usual!
Thanks for all your good work.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
A honest Republican
said on 6/28/2006 @ 6:09 pm PT...
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 6:21 pm PT...
#2 is a dishonest comment. Don't bother.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 6:45 pm PT...
that's right, 99! and the author of the piece linked there is a well-known disinformation artist, so don't bother twice!
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 7:05 pm PT...
and the salon article has been completely debunked over and over by many people. so don't bother thrice.
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 7:15 pm PT...
can we get a fourth?
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 7:58 pm PT...
Did Florida Dave hop in his Lear Jet,.. and head out west for a few greasy hamburgers before he and his gang
of fascists,.. crashed and trashed the San Diego -
TownHall Meeting ?
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 8:20 pm PT...
Thanks Everyone, I wouldn't want to bother my Beautiful Mind with Bullshit. I second Winter Patriot #1!
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
A honest Republican
said on 6/28/2006 @ 8:59 pm PT...
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 9:46 pm PT...
OK. Fascist. Now that that's out of the way, read this e-mail exchange I came across where a (former) Salon subscriber takes Salon and Farhad Manjoo to task over their election/voting stance. I wish I had a link, but all I have is the text. (BTW, the e-mailer is a local (Seattle) activist and I have purposely removed the full last name.)
From Jason O. :
I used to subscribe to Salon. Every now and then, they try to get me to sign back up. I periodically explain to Farhad Manjoo and editor Joan Walsh exactly why I'm no longer a subscriber. Yes, I'm bitterly disappointed in both Manjoo and Salon.
I was thrilled when they covered the potential problems leading up to 2004. I'm at a complete loss why they've gone from "if there was a problem, you'd never be able to prove it" to "unless you can prove there was a problem, go away".
Below is my most recent (mostly one-sided) exchange with Manjoo.
On 6/27/06, Jason O. wrote:
I suppose I should be grateful. Your repeated attempts to refute the idea that the 2004 presidential election was stolen has done more to keep the issue alive than any other effort. A cunning plan?
I used to subscribe to salon.com. Now I rarely even visit. As I told your boss, you guys start watching my back, I'll start watching yours. Until then, you're on your own.
On Jun 27, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Farhad Manjoo wrote:
What do you mean by "watching your back"?
On 6/27/06, Jason O. wrote:
There was a time when Salon defended our democracy. You guys resume fighting the good fight, I'll resume my subscription. Meanwhile, my money is going towards worthy efforts. Like voteraction.org, votetrustusa.org, and others. For instance, I subscribe to Scientific American because they're defending the Enlightenment. (Not that I have time to read it, mind you.)
On Jun 27, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Farhad Manjoo wrote:
It's terrible that you're no longer a subscriber. But how honest/ethical do you think it would be for me to rethink my disagreements with someone like Kennedy because you are no longer giving me money? I believe you have an honest difference with me, and I respect that. But I don't write because I'm being paid to toe to a certain line, and I don't think you'd want me to, either.
All I'm saying is, this is not about money. It doesn't seem very enlightened to say, "Please conform to my point of view or I'll stop giving you money."
On Jun 27, 2006, at 12:24 PM, Jason O. wrote:
Nope. It's not enlightened. It's not even altruistic. It's self preservation. Voting with my dollars.
I don't mind your criticisms. I swing between 50% and 80% certainty that 2004 was stolen. I get along fine with the people in our group who don't think 2004 was stolen. (wafairelections.org)
I just wish you could find a way to be constructive. There's SO MUCH going on nationwide regarding election integrity. We only hear from you and Salon when it's time to poke holes in someone else's efforts.
The net effect is that you appear to be a denier. No problems here, move along. Nothing could be further from the truth. Election integrity has worsened since 2004. 2006 is shaping up to be a catastrophe, a train wreck. Yet salon is mum.
In case you care, the effort that I'm most interested in at this very moment are Voter Action's lawsuits preventing the use and procurement of electronic voting machines. Holly Jacobson and I were interviewed on KEXP last Saturday.
You could do worse than to cover Voter Action's efforts.
All I'm saying is that if you guys care about democracy, you could start pulling your weight. Versus criticizing others who are trying to figure stuff out.
There's A LOT of disagreement within the election integrity "community". What I say to everyone is that even though we disagree on the details, we agree on the principle of fair, open, and verifiable elections. And that we'll work out the details in a constructive manner.
And, no, I don't think your criticisms have been constructive. Though I do think they've been helpful in a twisted way. It's definitely kept the issue alive and prompted everyone to tighten up their arguments. So maybe you're playing devil's advocate. In which case I should be thanking you. We'll see.
On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:33:49 AM, Jason O. wrote:
Last night, I had a thought.
Our activists group met last night. I'm sure you're aware that Busby lost her race in CA-50. The uncertified, error prone voting machines were used. (Thanks for covering that! Good job!) The GOP had a sophisticated GOTV, basically tracking and harassing absentee voters until they voted. (Everyone does it. Dems do it here in King County.) So in response there's these emergency townhall meetings. [For our part,] We're trying to figure out how to push the party to take election integrity seriously.
The Dems among us are always being hassled for more money. The DNC, DCCC, Cantwell, our state party chair Dwight Pelz, etc.
A number of us have stopped giving money. We write back saying "We'll give you money when you fight for us." The candidates that do "get it" also get our money. Bowen, Tester, Burner, a few others.
Why should I, or anyone else, treat you and Salon any differently? You're a pundit. Not a journalist. Not a reporter. You write opinion pieces. You can't even pretend to be objective. Nor would I want you to.
So please spare me the song and dance about your ethics.
And, yes, it's only about money. The big bad wolf is robbing us blind. And I'm using my money to fight back however I can.
When you guys figure that out, I'll resume supporting you.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 10:03 pm PT...
Soul Rebel: #10 is a great post. Thank you very much.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 6/28/2006 @ 11:44 pm PT...
sould rebel said:
"The big bad wolf is robbing us blind."
Good analogy. He's huffing and puffing, and we better do something before he blows our house (democracy) down.
They are robbing us of so much money that we can't comprehend just how much money it is.
-- Chris Hooten
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 12:09 am PT...
Mark Crispin Miller does a pretty good job of debunking the Salon article that disinfo/neo-fascist/waste of time AHR posted (twice).
You'll find it great reading. It's well written and without the bias and slant of the original Salon article.
Can we ban AHR (who isn't either) now and move on?
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 12:11 am PT...
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 1:43 am PT...
That Salon article ignores physics.
The physics of electronics are destroying the constitution.
All you need to do is look around.
Look at web defacement.
Look at worms, virus's.
Look at all the databases being stolen. (Who want's to bet a national ID card or Biological CHIP will be coming soon because of all this Identity Theft?)
Look at Networks.
Look at compartmentalism.
Look at 911 (Who want's to bet another 911 event will cause yet more stronger Patriot Act, Phone, Bank, Medical snooping, Sneek and peek, Surveilance Cameras are put in place)
If we really wanted to find out who's behind 911, look at WHO PROFITS.
Electricity is physically invisible to humans. If you are invisible you have the ULTIMATE WEAPON! The human mind has electricity in it. It's a known fact that your mind can be influenced by EM (Electro-Magnetics)
Electricity is being abused everwhere you look. It controls our very lives. These people (whoever they are) want to control LIFE ITSELF.
We currently live in an electromagnetic sea of death.
There are many serious problems that are going on. It's now beyond most people's minds to comprehend exactly how deep this rabbit hole is going.
When a electronic voting machine puts a result out to elect some candidate, and the rusult was cracked, then that person that got elected immediatly starts to change policy, introduce bills, appoint offices like the FCC, FDA, DHS, FBI, Pentagon, CIA, Judicial --- on and on and on.
With electricity and digitized data - YOU CAN NOT VALIDATE THE DATA! You can not see it, you can not monitor every inch of every mile of every component 24/7/365.
There IS NO Secure electronic data.
By trusting invisible abusive technology in voting in the United States Of America, it's Territories, and Districts; you are basically using physics just like if someone was to cut a hole in the roof of the location the Constitution and Bill of Rights were on display and install a giant magnifying glass to heat (and burn) the Constitution a little bit each day until soon there will be nothing left but ash.
If you keep reacting to the "invisible" fear of 911 then you are turning the Unites States into ash.
Every damn person that has a Security Clearance in our government, should IMMEDIATLY have their lives examined under a microscope, go back through their history, search their felonies, search their bank records, search their web habbits, their use of networks, their telephone records, and if they have been in trouble in the past, they should NOT BE ALLOWED TO have their clearance, or PUBLIC office.
It's so compartmentalised now that they won't tell you anything anymore, it's a state secret, it's national security, bla bla bla. I say lets all CALL THEIR BLUFF.
Who can't see that Bush has some kind of implant that he hears his speech's in? No wonder he looks like a blithering idiot when he talks, most people can't handle time-sharing coversations. Could YOU?
We should be voting UNDER THE SUN, IN THE DAYLIGHT, for however many days it takes for everyone to vote and all the votes to be counted manually by the PUBLIC. At no time should Electricity be allowed, at no time should telephones be allowed, Radios be allowed, Digitized data be allowed, Networks be allowed.
NOT EVEN GOD CAN WATCH ALL THAT AT THE SAME TIME!
If you don't grasp this then we ARE DOOMED.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 1:53 am PT...
also those that broke the law, or were voted in on UN VALIDATABLE boxes should have ALL THEIR LAWS RECINDED, AND ROLLED BACK.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 2:35 am PT...
Boy, Phil, after having spent many hours dumping covert, but massive spam attacks on a server, I can hang with what you're saying. IT'S APPALLING. What measures can you ever take that hold devoted creeps at bay? They're like the body snatchers, keep coming, no stopping them, like corporate big boys angling around every single solitary last regulation anyone had the temerity to put on their nefarious dealings. NOTHING STOPS THEM. Yet, stop them, we must. I'm too fried to try to come up with another cogent word, but... well... you get what I mean.
We make a better society, and the citizens will naturally stop acting THIS completely, nihilistically destructive.
Good night. Klonk.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 3:05 am PT...
Yeah exactly Agent99!
I DO GET WHAT YOUR MEANING IS.
It's like your polishing and waxing one side of your hydrogen powered vehicle(circa 1974-76) and the bastards are shooting RPG's and Rocks at the other side.
Thank you for getting it. Really. Much Love to you and your family and friends!
How the hell are we going to SHOVE this down the throat of the MSM? I don't know.
The Telco's, Cable Co's, and BUSH appointees in the FCC, and Department of whatever the F?! are trying to remove Public Access (PEG) and destroy the free flowing web. e.g. Net Neutrality I guess they want to destroy *ALL* our communications with their non engineering, pro corporation decisions.
Perhaps our country is really lost now.
Unless we call their bluff
I am not scared. I am a veteran myself (Aircraft Electrician) I SWORE THE OATH TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION AGAINST DOMESTIC ENEMYS!
Catch 22 with the CORRUPT PRESIDENT BE DAMNED!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 3:55 am PT...
Hmm, Yah lost me again, Phil. There is just something about your logic that seems, shall we say, non-conventional. There is plenty of REAL conspiracy right in front of us. No need to push all of those highly controversial ones.
-- Chris Hooten
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 4:15 am PT...
Some real good posts here!
I showed up at a local polling station here in Utah and handed out this statement to 136 people:
Machines being used to count ALL votes in Utah are programmed out of state with secret computer code that even our local election officials will never see. Under Utah law passed this year, the paper printouts verified by the voter, will never be counted, even in the event of a problem.
The Utah media HAS REFUSED FOR YEARS to inform it’s people of these problems! And despite the fact that an election official of 23 years from Emery County Utah, (Bruce Funk) has caused the national media to report on the profound hackability of the very Diebold models we are voting on in this primary, won’t interview the most knowledgeable local scientists!
The story broken by Mr. Funks bravery to call in experts to inspect the machines, has been the catalyst for the big media corporations FINALLY covering this long ignored story!
CNN, The Wall Street Journal, Newsweek, The New York Times, The Washington Post, PBS, and many others have carried the story and all the Utah media will say, for the most part, is that everything’s going fine. Maybe it is, but maybe it isn’t!
The Lt. Governors office, who forced the purchase of the machines over the objections of Utah’s many computer scientists will never know. And neither will you! [Lt. Governors website address]
I must have looked like a troublemaker with my "Utah Count Votes" shirt on. Some people came out of the polling station and said I couldn’t give these out. We determined that I DID have the right to be 150 feet from the entrance. I think after I told them the Salt Lake Tribune had interveiwed 5 Pro-Diebold people and only 1 Anti-Diebold person for the previous day’s story, they may have started to feel a little embarrased and didn’t bother me for the rest of the day.
A city worker who was clearing weeds at the building next door called the police and was standing there when I told the officer the same story about how the Tribune wasn’t telling the whole story. He turned to the man and said there wasn’t anything he could do, because I wasn’t supporting a candidate, and was just giving my opinion (the truth, of course). Take that!
Most of the people thanked me, and seemed to have heard about some of the problems. If you read the articles above from Utah, you'll see none of those problems described. One day, I will be vindicated!
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 6:08 am PT...
All veterans took an oath.
Are you a veteran?
Do you understand the oath?
Search the Oath if you are unsure what I am talking about. There is NO CONSPIRICY.
IT IS PHYSICS
The catch 22 with a corrupt president is, that part of the oath is also to protect the president.
I hope your friggin dialed in now.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 9:04 am PT...
"There were a lot of great ideas," she said. "But where is the funding going to come from?"
Wouldn’t any competent EAC require the funding to be there to make the use of any system reliable before supporting the use of any particular system?
The machines are not the big problem. Machines do what they are told to do very well. We should not rely on any machine that we can not be very certain is being told to count the votes as they were cast.
The big problem is the people who would chose to manipulate the results. Appropriate steps have to be taken to insure that any attempts to rig the system by both those associated with the companies counting the votes and others who might have the opportunity to fix the system are almost surely discovered.
Secret software is not the solution to this problem. It is a big part of the problem. If we are going to allow secret software to be used, we need to have systems in place that can verify that there is at least a very high probability that the secret software is doing the counting correctly. Systems like exit polls and random samples of verified paper trails can be used to help verify the accuracy of any electronic counting. The paper trail must be kept out of the hands of anybody who has access to the machines. Otherwise it can easily be changed to match whatever the machine claims the count was whether the trail is verified by the voter or not. A numbered receipt of each ballot cast in each precinct could be given to each voter in that precinct. A spreadsheet containing all of the selections of each numbered receipt could be immediately posted on the internet so that voters could be sure that the vote they cast was counted as cast. The sooner this is posted the more difficult it is for anybody to fix an election. A list of names and addresses of those who voted could also be posted to make ballot stuffing very difficult to get away with. There is no fool proof method of counting votes as long as there are people out there willing to cheat to get their way. Clearly our election rules are not now designed to prevent fraud. Many of the requirements seem to be designed to make fraud easy. Secret software is just one of the problems. Checks for accuracy are being eliminated rather than increased. Exit polls appear on the way out just as secret software makes them more important than they ever were before. The footprints of fraud in the 2004 presidential election that I linked to in this analysis of the 2004 election helped spot the existence of the election fraud in Ohio. If exit poll data and voting data had been released in all of the other states that had high exit poll discrepancies, they could have been used to determine if the exit poll discrepancies in those states were also the result of fraud rather than response bias. The NEDA report I linked clearly shows a pattern highly consistent with vote shifting in Ohio that can not feasibly be the result of response bias as reported by the media. It should be blatantly obvious that published data from exit polls or truly random samples of verified votes need to be available if we are going to allow secret software to count our votes. Without some transparent system to verify the counts of the machines we have no logical reason whatsoever to believe the votes are being counted as cast.
Election laws should not make recounts of disputed election difficult like they do in Nebraska. This only encourages fraud by making it easy to get by with fixing an election. The less transparent the counting is the easier it should be to request verification. Our election laws are all clearly heading in the opposite direction they should be under the new systems that are being force fed to the voters. Things like HAVA are spun off as help for the handicapped, when what they really do is just force us to use more of the unverifiable voting systems, which render the results of our elections much less reliable.
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 9:07 am PT...
#20 Larry Bergan
Good for you--getting the truth out there--unlike our main stream corporate-controlled media who hide the truth from the American people so they won't realize the many ways they're getting ripped off.
Weren't you afraid you'd be arrested?
Usually cops, controlled by politicians, just haul you away-whether they have reason to do so or not.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 9:15 am PT...
The Supreme Count just slapped the republican dictatorship down in Hamdan v Rumsfeld.
I noticed that they did not blame democrats for not stopping the republican dictatorship ... they simply said that the republican president is acting illegally.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 6/29/2006 @ 1:29 pm PT...
(see below; Bush losing core TFM supporters)
Bush Losing Core Supporters
WASHINGTON, May 11 – President Bush appears to be losing support among a key group of voters who had hitherto stood firmly with the president even as his poll numbers among other groups fell dramatically.
A new Gallup poll shows that, for the first time, Bush’s approval rating has fallen below 50% among total fucking morons, and now stands at 44%. This represents a dramatic drop compared to a poll taken just last December, when 62% of total fucking morons expressed support for the president and his policies.
The current poll, conducted by phone with 1,409 total fucking morons between May 4 and May 8, reveals that only 44% of those polled believe the president is doing a good job, while 27% believe he is doing a poor job and 29% don’t understand the question.
The December poll, conducted by phone with 1,530 total fucking morons, showed 62% approved of the president, 7% disapproved and 31% didn’t understand the question.
Faltering approval ratings for the president among a group once thought to be a reliable source of loyal support gives Republicans one more reason to be nervous about the upcoming mid-term elections. “If we can’t depend on the support of total fucking morons,” says Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA), “then we’ve got a big problem. They’re a key factor in our electoral strategy, and an important part of today’s Republican coalition.”
“We’ve taken the total fucking moron vote for granted,” says Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL), “and now we’re paying for it. We’ve let the Democrats control the debate lately, and they’ve dragged discourse back into the realm of complex, nuanced issues. So your average total fucking moron turns on his TV and sees his Republican Congressman arguing about Constitutional law or the complexities of state formation in the Middle East, and he tunes out. He wants to hear comforting, pandering, flattering bromides and he doesn’t want to hear a logical argument more complex than what you’d find on a bumper sticker.”
For Feeney, the poll is a dire warning that Republicans can ignore only at their peril. “This should send a signal that we have to regain control of the debate if we want the support of our key constituencies in the coming election and beyond. We need to bring public discourse back into the realm of stupidity and vacuity. We should be talking about homosexual illegal immigrants burning flags. We should be talking about the power of pride. We should be talking about freedom fries. These are the issues that resonate with total fucking morons.”
But some total fucking morons say it’s too late. Bill Snarpel of Enid, Oklahoma is a total fucking moron who voted for Bush in both 2000 and 2004. But he says he won’t be voting for Bush in 2008. “I don’t like it that he was going to sell our ports to the Arabs. If the Arabs own the ports then that means they’ll let all the Arabs in and then we’ll all be riding camels and wearing towels on our heads. I don’t want my children singing the Star Spangled Banner in Muslim.”
Total fucking moron Kurt Meyer of Turlock, California also says his once solid support for Bush has collapsed. “He invaded Iraq and all those soldiers died, and for what? We destroyed all their WMDs, but now their new president is making fun of us and saying he’s going to build nuclear bombs and that we can’t stop him. Well, nuclear bombs are even worse than WMDs, so what did we accomplish?”
Laura McDonald, a total fucking moron from Chandler, Arizona, says she is disappointed that the president hasn’t been a more forceful advocate of Christian values. “This country was founded on Christian values,” she says, “but you’d never know it looking around and seeing all the Mexicans running around. I thought Bush was going to bring Jesus back into the government. Instead, Christians are being persecuted worse than ever before in history, because all these Mexicans come here and tell Christians that we have to respect their religious beliefs. So now it’s illegal for children to pray in school. Soon it will be illegal for them to speak English.”
Not all total fucking morons have turned their backs on the president. Jeb Larkin of Topeka, Kansas says he still fully supports Bush. "He is doing a great job. He is a great president. He is a great decider. I have a puppy. His tail sticks straight up and you can see his butthole."
And not all Republican lawmakers are concerned about the poll. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN), for one, does not find it a cause for anxiety. While he agrees that his party should not take total fucking morons for granted, they “really don’t have anywhere else to go. They’re never going to be able to understand someone like Al Gore or John Kerry or anybody intelligent and articulate who wants to talk about substantive issues. Just try having a conversation with one of them about global warming. They’ll say, ‘Oh, but Rush says volcanoes consume more ozone than humans do.’ I mean, they’re morons! Total fucking morons!”
“They’ve got nowhere else to go,” Alexander reaffirms with a smile, “and they always vote.”
Posted by Max Udargo on May 11, 2006 08:27 PM | Permalink
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
said on 6/30/2006 @ 2:52 am PT...
I don't know what to say exactly, but the police around here anyway, seem to realize that I'm just trying to help. Bush hasn't done any more for them then any of the rest of us. People shouldn't be afraid of them.
The officer that came went inside the polling station first, so I had plenty of time to disappear. When he came out, I walked right over to him, handed him my notice and, as usual, was armed with the truth. Don't ever lie to an officer, they can detect it better then anyone!
It just boils down to respect. They are just doing a job. Treat them that way, and you usually won't have a problem.
I'm a thousand times more angry with the media bosses then I'll ever be with these under-paid public servants. At least they have to actually serve us as opposed to making these modern day Republicans, (liars) look like human beings.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 6/30/2006 @ 10:38 am PT...
Hey folks, if the "Salon" article has been so thoroughly debunked, where is it? I's like to have it--and frankly, you should be taking the time and trouble to get the link and post it here. Sheesh.
Since I don't know where to find that debunking, and I like to sometimes go muck-diving myself just to find where the drain is and drain the swamp, here's what I have dug up:
I keep hearing references to how "Salon" debunked/contradicted/didn't support RFK's article in Rolling Stone. I thought it would be interesting to get to the bottom of that so that people could have something to reference.
Of course we all know this is disinformation. But I wanted to know what the source of the 4.2 versus 4.1 statistic is that gets referenced all over, even in the Fox News interview with Kennedy, just to find out just how badly twisted-up the Reicht has it.
If you bother to go digging like I did, you can find out that what "Salon" said is actually what one single writer posted at Salon, specifically so that people on the Reicht could try to make it seem that their points were being made by a 'libral' (sic) organization, so that their stuff wouldn't look like the out-and-out disinformation that it is. The "Salon article" references the democrats' "Democracy At Risk" report. If you go digging in ~that~, you'll find that a subsection (Section 4, Provisional Ballot Survey) is a thing written by 2 consulting firms, and is dated April 28, 2005, and signed by Diane Feldman and Cornell Belcher. Still with me? Good. On page 5 of Feldman and Belcher's (F&B) Provisional Voter survey section (isn't attribution great--those of us who like credibility like to know who said what and when, so that we can evaluate it fairly) F&B reference the work of Cornell Professor Walter Mebane. The 4.2%/4.1% statistic is from Mebane's table, reproduced by F&B, on page 4 of the survey.
I'm going to leave off here, but would just like to note that the numbers 4.1 and 4.2 don't make ANY sense.
I would have to get Mebane's original study to make sense of this, but I just have to admire the incredible twisting of things that allow the guy to go from talking about 26% in one breath, and roughly 4 percent in the next, and yet we're supposed to think we're still talking about the same thing? We're not.
And of course the whole purpose of the "Salon" article to begin with was to PREVENT anyone from bothering to read the "Democracy at Risk" report to begin with, or even looking at it. Just to LOOK at it shows you to what extent it's disinformation.
More on this later, and maybe elsewhere.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 6/30/2006 @ 12:27 pm PT...
What a sweet, naive attitude you have.
Perhaps luck is just with the white middle to upper class males in our society...
Ask the minorities in our country how much you can trust the police to be fair...
Ask a wife who turns in her firemen/cop/connected husband because he abused her, what the cops do when they arrive...
Ask Cindy Sheehan, who got hauled out of Bush's Inauguration for no reason.
Ask the protestors at chimpy's Inauguration who were forced to stay out of camera range.
Ask the people at Martin Luther King's racial protests how fair the police are,
ask people at the Viet Nam protests what happened to them & what dirty tricks were used by police--such as police claiming a bottle was thrown, when none was, just to have an excuse to beat them.
Call the police & ask what you need to do to hold a Support the troops/war rally in the neighborhood & get an immediate OK.
Then call back 2 weeks later & ask what you need to do to hold a peace rally & experience the long interrogation by different officials, the hoops you suddenly have to jump through, & Board Presentations they claim you have to make etc..
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 6/30/2006 @ 7:41 pm PT...
Big Dan #25
Bill Snarpel, Kurt Meyer, Laura McDonald, Jeb Larkin, Sen. Lamar Alexander -
The're not morons - the're TOTAL MORANS!
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
said on 6/30/2006 @ 7:50 pm PT...
Big Dan #25 said:
"Rep. Tom Feeney (R-FL): "So your average total fucking moron turns on his TV and sees his Republican Congressman arguing about Constitutional law or the complexities of state formation in the Middle East, and he tunes out. He wants to hear comforting, pandering, flattering bromides and he doesn’t want to hear a logical argument more complex than what you’d find on a bumper sticker.”"
A better elucidation for trolls can probably not be found!
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 7/1/2006 @ 2:16 am PT...
I can only talk about my personal experiences with the police. After walking over 400 miles with my "IMPEACH BUSH" sign, and being left alone for the most part, I just can't complain.
True, I'm not black, and that could be a huge factor, but It's also true that your initial attitude when confronting an arrest is also very important.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 7/3/2006 @ 10:40 am PT...
I find it very hard to read the Yellow type on Green or Red background (the type appears BLURRY) --- can you please consider changing the color combinations --- white letters on any colour is so much better!