READER COMMENTS ON
"VIDEO - Robert Kennedy Explains 2004 Stolen Election to Tucker Carlson"
(106 Responses so far...)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 5:56 am PT...
Hear! hear! I feel like taking a shower after watching tucker spew his GOP disinformation
Tucker Carlson is a complete ass
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 5:59 am PT...
Fucker Carlson is still onTV??? I didn't know that!!!
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]
Blow Me, I'm Irish!
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:02 am PT...
Sweet Jesus I Hate Tucker Carlson. What an utterly useless little prick.
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:09 am PT...
He flip floped the other day when he said he wishes he could take back his vote for preznit blush because he would not vote for him if he knew then what he knows now.
Seems like he is always using the phrase "if I knew then what I know now", which indicates that he is clueless as to what is going on in real time.
Get real Tucker, you kool aid drinking tin hat wearing poor excuse for a jounalist.
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:11 am PT...
oops typo in my post #4 ... "jounalist" should be "journalist".
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:14 am PT...
"Complete ass" is a really nice thing to say about Tucker Carlson. I've never seen anyone so proudly display the emptiness of his head or more avidly spew rabies foam... not even animals with rabies are more avid than he is in it. I have never met anyone who chanced upon him while channel surfing who could believe their eyes and ears. I don't think anyone with any mental ability at all, no matter what their political bent, can fathom what he is doing on tv.
I'm thinking he's a modern day Kaptain Kangaroo for young trolls. Best guess.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:15 am PT...
Most people refuse to even
watch that pathetic shill. TC
is one of the biggest traitors
the Right has produced yet.
Someday his Karma will come
home to roost for all of his
lies and truth bending.
Its all a pathetic game to him.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:20 am PT...
btw, I love RFK, Jr. He's one of the good politicians. There's not many, as we all know.
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:23 am PT...
I can't wait to see if RFK, Jr. gets on Democracy NOW!, and they'll let him speak. If he does get on it, I'm sure they will devote at least a 30 minute extensive interview. I also think Brad should get on Democracy NOW!
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:49 am PT...
TC said: (roughly) "...[it] would have required the complicity of thousands of people. Why have none of these people come forward to admit they were a part of it"
Maybe because they don't want to go to jail? Like people are just going to brag about commiting crimes and stealing elections.
It also was incredible, I think, when TC complained that the piece was too "partisan" because there were no Republicans quoted.
And has there ever been such irony as when TC said that this couldn't be true because it would be a news story, but why have we not heard about any of this until just now?
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 7:30 am PT...
Bet people in Fla. and Ohio paid attention. Tucker's daddy is big in repub politics. That's how he keeps his job. We can pray for Robert Kennedy now. Notice how all the good leaders get dead in our so called democracy. Great Britain is even questioning Princess Di's death. It's time for the real movers and shakers to go to jail. Not just the puppets. Big oil comes to mind. Buy CITGO
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 7:30 am PT...
I love RFK Jr too, but I have to point out that he is not a politician.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 7:42 am PT...
The psolipsistic self-importance of the MNM. It couldn't be true because it isn't a news story (ignoring the fact that RFK Jr. was on his program precisely BECAUSE he made it a news story.)
The new "philosophy" of journalism, brought on largely I surmise from several generations of college relativists now getting into the "real" world, is that news reporting is no longer about getting the objective truth (which they believe is either impossible or a fiction) but all about "balance." The MSM didn't report on the election disparities because there is no way to report such a story with balance (i.e. also reporting the Bush point of view.)
Still, I will concede that TC has a point. This would indeed have required a massive conspiracy consisting of thousands of collaborators, and most conspiracies fail utterly. This is a thought that has troubled me, yet I can't ignore the massive evidence that suggests that that is indeed just what happened.
Watergate was a conspiracy on a much smaller scale, and look at how that unravelled. Of course, the MSM was then in the business of reporting objective truth.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]
Tucker Carlson's Dog
said on 6/2/2006 @ 7:48 am PT...
Has the RFKjr Swiftboating started yet?
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/2/2006 @ 7:51 am PT...
I notice Tucker has ditched the bowtie. He's now dressed for battle in an open-collared shirt, which confirms his manliness...even if does nothing for his manners or his brains.
Hey, folks. We're winning. If the best Tucker can do is drag out the old canard about how a vast conspiracy would have been required (and why hasn't someone come forward by now?), then we know RFK, Jr. has touched a right-wing nerve.
Even Christopher Hitchens, who hates John Kerry with a visceral passion, agreed 16 months ago that this notion was false. Indeed, a handful of people, adding vote-rigging software to a select number of central tabulators in Ohio, would have been all the crooks Rove and Blackwell needed. And sure as God made little green apples, that's what they did.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/2/2006 @ 8:08 am PT...
Fucker Carlson - No more Bow Tie . . . . . What happend to my favorite "Gift Wraped Douche bag" ? ? ?
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 8:11 am PT...
At least Tucker recommended people read the article.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 8:13 am PT...
I have a question about the Warren County lockdown. There is a diary at dKos with over 850 comments in it. One person asked about the lockdown and I gave a link to the information in the article. I got jumped on for spreading "myths" because, according to them, Kerry staffers were present during the lockdown and witnessed the count. I've asked for a link to anything that shows that Kerry's staffers were there. No reply yet. My question for anyone here is: have any of you heard anything about this? I haven't read it anywhere.
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 8:34 am PT...
OK, we can define "massive" as a couple of people in very high places, that is, Blackwell handing down directives to those effecting the voting process, and a judge or two backing him up. Only the effect need be massive. Let's not confuse the two. As for flipped votes, uh, surely that does not require too many Einsteins - only a couple of Frankensteins.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 8:48 am PT...
'This would indeed have required a massive conspiracy consisting of thousands of collaborators, and most conspiracies fail utterly.'
Hey, I don't mean to chastise or anything, but this viewpoint has a bit of a logic flaw. Namely, there have been big conspiracies kept quiet in the past. How many people working on the Manhattan Project knew what the end result would be?
This is a similar situation, using compartmentalization, the left hand can be obscured of what the right hand is doing. We don't have enough info at this point to determine who was witting and who was not, but that doesn't mean the conspiracy to steal the 2004 (and 2000, and 2002) election didn't occur.
Additionally, how do you know all conspiracies fail?
There could be several that are succeeding right now (hello 9/11, I'm talking to you!) and by the nature of their inherent secrecy, we'd be none the wiser. In fact, I'll go as far as to say that the best conspiracies are the ones that make you believe they couldn't possibly be real.
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled, was making people believe that he doesn't exist."
- Verbal Kint, The Usual Suspects
P.S. - Did we really need this interview to prove to us that Tucker Carlson is an ass?
I've known that for a long, long time...
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:02 am PT...
More evidence democrats have to beat repubs and the DLC. Chris Bowers of MYdd and of course cross posted at Daily Kos....New talking points. Blame the victim, I mean voter. WE don't need no MSM to cover lost democracy. Do like he did. Sound like repub. talking points "Pull yourself up by the bootstraps if you're homeless?" Go down to the courthouse like he did and count the votes. I think the DLC, repubs, and Kos are grabbing at straws now because the goose that laid the golden egg is cooked. Hillary for '08..only problem nobody likes her.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:04 am PT...
The good politicians for 08:
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:21 am PT...
Normally, I don't watch him. (heard a promo a few minutes before). He is no competition for Jon Stewart that's for sure. (Of course, only BRAD can compete, we all know that, don't we?!) OK, when RFK, Jr. is coming up, obviously some do watch.
My thought - always - is that Tucker should have had some discipline as a child. Therefore, he now needs to have that bow-tie tightened a wee bit! How about if he switches over to a nice expensive Texas Bola tie? Uncle Dickie will get one if you ask him.
His ambition appears to be Matthews' replacement on Hardball. He would need tranquilizers to reduce his hyperactivity x3 to rival Chris at his max. And Tuc's instant "On"/"Off" mood-swings drumming nonsensical challenges to important messengers, such as Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., are in the line of Tom Cruise sparking, slides on his but through some movie studio.
WHEW! Do you think Tuc'll sproing himself right through the roof somewhere? MSNBC - hope you'll see to that for us!
(mumble, ... , "Where's Olbermann when you need him?")
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:29 am PT...
Tucker C, the baby blowhard, who couldn't conduct a decent interview unleass he was gagged, supposedly giving airtime to a serious, thoughtful, highly intelligent man with a critically important message (or three). What a travesty media "coverage" has become in recent years...
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:38 am PT...
For those who want to know how the massiveness of election corruption took place, go to this web site:
That will not surprise some of you, I'll bet.
This has been formulating for a number of years, and is now becoming more effective than ever before. (It has to be the door way.)
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:39 am PT...
I don't think think Robert Kennedy Jr. wants to run for political office. He has worked closely the non-profit environmental group known as the NRDC and understands how the corrupt Bushit adminstration has taken a Fck U stance to the environment rolling back or reversing over 400 environmental laws and or standards in favor of big business US poluters, auto companies etc. We have an environmental crisis right now and the Bushit administration had answered back with greed and destruction. Sell off US wildlands,drill in theArctic Wildlife Refuge, gut the Federal Endangered Species Act, and use Bushit anti-science to put their spin on the truth while friends of Bush and Cheney line their pockets. You ever wonder why you have to drink water out of a plastic bottle now? The Glaciers are melting, and the effects of human caused pollution and global warming are causing climates to change but screw the world and all other species. God wants BUSH in power.
Tucker thinks his aggresive style of verbally bullying Kennedy proves him right. He is just
a Dumbass Bush paid YESMAN POSING AS A JOURNALIST. It's people like him that i would give my eye teeth to dance with him in the ring and knock his head permanently off his shoulders. Loser bigmouth bastard lier.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:44 am PT...
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:44 am PT...
SUPPORT THE REALITY BASED MEDIA
Buy ROLLING STONE. Don't just read the article online, buy the magazine and show the love. When they sell more magazines than ever in their history, others will notice.
Note: I have no affilliation nor interests in the magazine, just a concern for my Democracy.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:48 am PT...
This is important. Even if the MSNBC show sucked thanks to Tucker, we need to get this possibility on the agenda so that it becomes a topic of debate and interest.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:58 am PT...
Criminals steal an election to mismanage every aspect of America and American affairs they touch. Hasn't happened Tucker.
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:03 am PT...
nass = national association of Secretaries of State + HAVA
"THA'S RIGHT!! "said Sherlock.
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:19 am PT...
Excuse me, I have to go throw up. My (-)ucker Carlson immunities are not as strong as I would like.
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:21 am PT...
Tucker IS a complete ass, but I don't think he was being nearly as assy as he has been in the past. I would even commend him for having RFK Jr on to discuss the piece, and recommend people read it. The article can stand on its own merit - nothing Tucker could say would diminish the power of the piece (if you think it could, you are giving him Waaaaay too much credit) anyway.
Did I just defend Tucker Carlson???? Shit, somebody kick me.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:31 am PT...
All your killing
All your damage ain't through
Stole 2 elections
Got the media to coverup truth.
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COMMENT #35 [Permalink]
Tucker Carleson's Mama
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:54 am PT...
Carlson ought to get back together with Novak. In fact, I'm amazed they haven't been hired on in the Bush whitehouse. They normally reward GOP fuck ups like the boy blunder & traitor Bob.
How much lower rungs are there? Mouth-pieces for the emporer (has no brain) King George.
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:56 am PT...
czaragorn: Then I love him even better!
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 11:08 am PT...
TC is a useless rightwing shill... too bad RFK Jr. isnt as articulate as some because TC just does not have a fact in his body. I like that this is coming onto the radar screen to an extent, but the way its going, I think were past the point of danger, the fascists have taken over.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 11:10 am PT...
Here's the strategy:
Buy REAL ISSUES of ROLLING STONE at NEWSSTANDS and give them out to friends and leave them in good places.
BUY ARMED MADHOUSE by Greg Palast.
BUY FOOLED AGAIN by Marc Crispin Miller (btw Cyteria, there's a bit in there that quite well explains how it wasn't really a "massive conspiracy" as much as many small and localized actions by Republicans who honesty believe that Democrats are "evil" and that cheating against them isn't really "wrong.")
BUY "How the GOP stole America's 2004 election and is rigging 2008" by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman.
SPREAD THE WORD.
REGISTER TO VOTE. VERIFY YOUR REGISTRATION. HELP OTHERS TO DO THE SAME.
BUY A GUN. Take it with you on Election Day 2006 --- who knows what might be necessary to protect your (and others) right to vote.
Be prepared to fight for your Democratic Republic on November 8, 2006 when Republicans who were behind by 10 or 15 or 40% in exit polls somehow end up "miraculously" winning (after much delayed late counting and loss of provisional ballots) by 1 or 2%.
Don't expect the media (especially not FOX or MSNBC or even CNN or NPR) to be of any help in spreading the word.
Places like bradblog will be the only place to get the truth.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 11:16 am PT...
Tucker and his ilk aren't outraged over the election being manipulated because they think this is standard practice....the repugs just do it better than the dems....a scammer thinks everyone is a scammer...and that is where we are today with the elites and MSM....Tucker wouldn't be a TV host on his own merit....he scammed his connections thru his father to get there....so, how can we expect him to be an objective journalist....
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/2/2006 @ 11:37 am PT...
Maybe someone needs to beat Tucker senseless with the 106 pg report about the election discrepencies in OHIO which was submitted to all the ROBOTS IN CONGRESS 2 days before they voted to accept the rigged electoral votes on 1/06/2004. Didn't happen.
Update: cannot buy the dvd today LOUDER THAN WORDS 2nd edition dedicated to those who died on 9/11 which was orchestrated by the leaders of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Only shocking to those who can't handle the truth. U CAN go to their website and watch it for free though.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/2/2006 @ 11:44 am PT...
Comment 40 : Correction - January 2005 was when PRESERVING DEMOCRACY WHAT WENT WRONG IN OHIO was handed out to the ROBOTS IN CONGRESS.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/2/2006 @ 12:22 pm PT...
Ed Shultz is only "Allowing" reluctantly discussion this isssue cause of all the email & Hos Fase said nothing. . .
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 12:42 pm PT...
Remember Republican "defaults", too? That topic was not thoroughly discussed. How many votes go to Republica "defaults", and why are there even "defaults"? This topic is not even on the radar.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 12:44 pm PT...
i'd like to add to Charlie L's (#38) list, to not only help others register to vote, but to also volunteer to be a poll worker, election judge, poll watcher, etc.
but i take exception to one item on the list: buying a gun to take with you for 'protection'. dial down the rhetoric, please, and avoid getting hysterical --- election officials and poll workers are fellow citizens who have volunteered their time (for nominal pay) to administer your elections; it's a thankless job, tedious and exhausting, and they do it without complaint. they are not the enemy.
we must continue to take the high road, and present facts and substantive evidence in this fight for fair and clean elections, or risk further marginalization by the MSM, who have inordinate and unearned influence and whose corporate masters have a vested interest in portraying election protection as the rantings of nutcases.
advocating or bringing a firearm to the polls won't help dispel this image, and may be illegal to boot. it won't help to ensure that a single vote is cast or counted legitimately, and could be more of a distraction than an action that would bear the fruits of democracy that we seek.
i applaud everyone's passion on this critical issue, and i know that it comes from a place of deep patriotism and love of our country.
now channel all that energy into the most productive and efficient actions. we are outnumbered here, and must convince others to take up the cause of saving their own democracy. until every eligible voter in America is registered and committed to vote and understands our precarious electoral situation, there remains much work to do!
until every precinct is fully staffed with observers, until every Board of elections and supervisors feels the weight of all those eyeballs scrutinizing their every move, until they are all compelled to do the right thing because they are being watched, then we have work to do.
run for office, run a voter registration drive, run a house party --- the more honest people who get involved, the more evidence and witnesses exist and speak out, the more we will get returns on this investment of time and energy.
the more voters there are, the harder it will be to cover up any wrongdoing.
get out there, speak up, make noise, get involved on the ground.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 12:47 pm PT...
TUCKER CARSON ASKED:
"Why have none of those people come forward to admit they were part of it?"
My comment is off topic, but I personally wonder why no one ever came forward to support Bush's contention that he reported for duty during the last two years of his National Guard service term.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 1:18 pm PT...
Observances of a Me..
Tucker seems to "kinda" care about this, but no where near enough. Mostly because (I'd guess) his party has been winning because of the illegal, immoral, and corrupt actions of the Republican Leadership's complicity in this. That is, the Republican Party has a convicted criminal (who intentionally helped impede the voting process of people in opposition to his party, something I think should amount to treason but instead landed him a measly 7 months in jail) TEACHING Republican "helpers" how to do things during elections.. That is, the Republican Party ACTIVELY ENGAGES in trying to sway elections instead of ensuring the will of the people is heard.
I'll give Tucker credit (as much as it pains me) for letting Kennedy talk as much as he did, too.. I didn't think he'd let him go on as long as he did a few times. I'll also give him credit for recomending the article.
Though.. to imply it would take "thousands" is quite a smoke screen as well. It wouldn't even take "hundreds".. This could have been pulled off with a few dozen folks, if that many. Not to mention, they don't all have to be "in cahoots", they all just have to be of the "same mind". And to imply that "all conspiracies fail" is to not understand how some things work in the "real world". Operation Northwoods should be all we need to FULLY understand that "there are some really bad people in our government", and there is no reason to believe there aren't just as many "bad people" working to get their associates put into office.
At the end of the day, at a MINIMUM, we should be OUTRAGED that "80,000 votes were shifted from to ".. why? Because, as was pointed out, that's 160,000 "votes" in the final count, and that's damn serious. We -also- should be pissed off about people being prevented from registering.. something the Repubilcans are doing to millions of Democrats because they (the pugs) know that intimidation of those who don't know the law/rules often ends with the disenfranchised walking away in confusion. I doubt the Democrats do anywhere NEAR as much "damage" doing the same thing (but they still should NOT be doing it at all).
Regardless of if you think "stolen elections" are "conspiracy", you have to admit that "election irregularities" have gotten so HUGE that we can no longer trust the results as the "will of the people". Of course, that's what Brad Blog "is about", for the most part... to show that our Democracy is dead, and we need to resurect it.. fast.
I still find it telling that the Media, now ashamed of their complicity in helping the Republican Party steal 2 elections, can pretend "there wasn't a story".. The TRUTH is, the "corporate model" is how we get our news.. It's canned and put on the wire for "cheap consumption" by "news agencies".. and as with all "special interests", the people who can the news aren't putting the "real" scoop out. And it's about to get worse since the FCC is going to let Newspapers and TV stations be owned by the same people.. Pretty soon we'll have 1 or 2 "owners" of all "information outlets".. I just hope it's not to late to save our Country.. Once we can get the "majority" out of the Republican hands, maybe we can get the "Republicrats" out.. then get back to the business of making sure Corporate America serves the public and not the top 2% of this country.
But it all starts with a vote and the voice of the people.. something we don't have at the moment.
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]
Shaking the Tree
said on 6/2/2006 @ 1:41 pm PT...
Tucker asks: Why hasn't anybody come forward?
I seem to recall a VERY brave man by the name of Clint Curtis who came forward. He was a programmer who was approached by a repug and asked to make a computer program that would flip votes, etc.
What did Mr. Curtis get for his honesty? Harrassment, called a crack-pot, and his dog got murdered.
There ya go....but Tucker is nothing more than a hack himself, so he probably never even heard of Clint Curtis.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 2:07 pm PT...
Ah..here we go.
They're playing the RACE card.
Talk about grasping at straws!
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 2:11 pm PT...
Why does RFK, Jr. sound like Katherine Hepburn?
I keep waiting for him to say, "Tucker, you old poo."
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 2:25 pm PT...
Sorry folks. Playing Devil's Advocate here, RFK did not adequately make his case in this clip. Carlson did however adequately cast serious doubt upon the case.
Even barring "massive conspiracy," which is enough to convince 30% of all watchers that the story is bogus, RFK did not bring up any strong evidence that there was indeed a stolen election.
Carlson also was very effective in bringing up the popular vote margin of 3 million, which dwarfs the popular vote margin of 500,000 that Gore held in 2000.
From here on out any arguments made by Dems about electoral votes in Ohio being key, will be directly confronted by their own arguements of 4 years earlier.
All in all, Carlson "won" this round and RFK "lost," in terms of making convincing arguments toward any average american fence sitter types.
And please, don't think I'm some Tucker/Repub supporter. I'm not. I have no party.
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/2/2006 @ 2:59 pm PT...
Why would any of you people be under the misconception that someone in TV la la land would listen to damning evidence of the stolen 2004 presidential election in which THEY were the voice that assured Americans that it was basically a fair contest?
I can only compare the collusion of the mass media to an "OUT OF SERVICE" mass transit bus. You can try waving at it to stop like there's a 4 alarm fire but it ain't gonna stop because it is NOT SERVING THE PUBLIC AT THIS TIME.
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 3:29 pm PT...
49: He has some medical problem with his voice. He doesn't let it hold him back though. He has a radio show.
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 3:30 pm PT...
Iíve been searching the MSM for a reference to Kennedyís article, but Iíve found nothing. I think we might have to bombard the media again, as we did with the Downing Street Memo. It worked then and it will work now. That campaign was run by bloggers. So what are we waiting for?
COMMENT #54 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 3:44 pm PT...
"Carlson also was very effective in bringing up the popular vote margin of 3 million, which dwarfs the popular vote margin of 500,000 that Gore held in 2000."
Yet, the EXIT POLLS (used GLOBALLY to determine if there are any shady dealings in an election) showed Kerry FIVE MILLION ahead of Bush..
Why do people keep thinking that "3 million" is such a big number? What about the 1000% OVER VOTE in a pricinct of ~600 with over 6,000 votes going to Shrubby? And, as we can see, 80,000 IN ONE STATE (actually, only 12 pricincts) makes a 160,000 vote swing.. 3 million is 1.5 million flipped, right? It's NOT that hard to have the machines flip a few here and there and make that happen..
I think the biggest problem is, we have "thousands" of "wrong votes" that are documented in MANY cases, yet those weren't redone? What's the threshold of "oh shit, something was wrong with this election result, we need to call it hosed and do it over"? Oh.. wait.. we don't have "do overs", we just "try to figure it out", and in some cases, they "figured it out" behind closed doors.
At the end of the day, there are too many questions. that's all ANY American should have to understand. Then, you take that FACT.. and decide how to FIX IT. Yet, that's not what's being done in America today. The Great Uniter's party is busy DIVIDING THE PEOPLE to the best of their ability, and engaging in dozens and dozens of ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES to KEEP POWER, and their supporters are too pathetic to call for them to stop. Their supporters put "party" before all else.. Welcome to the USSA..
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 4:21 pm PT...
Bloof Witzer has RFK Jr on situation room cnn, but will have a Republican yahoo to rebut him.
Did you ever notice that when Bush is in trouble, you can judge whether it is up to his neck when Candy Crowley (SP) is out there weaving a web of matronly confidence. In my book, it is her self confidence, which only she and her cronies share.
I have my own troubles. Bloof is on at the moment! Hope you get to watch RFK Jr. He has a voice impediment which his Grandmother Rose had, and I admired her so very much. So, expect him to sound strained to talk. That doesn't affect his intelligence to the critic of his voice earlier. And, there aren't many of us who could shout down Tuc.
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 4:30 pm PT...
#18 Kos took Diebold money. They never like to discuss election fraud. Guess that's what they were paid to do. If you don't believe me, try making that comment. Read a piece yesterday, a journalist was banned for saying democrats should not have voted for the new CIA director. Since he was in on illegal wiretapping. You can google people who have been banned.
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 4:53 pm PT...
I was reading the link you provided about the race card (which I wish EVERYONE on all sides would quit using) and I came across this footnote and started laughing. I showed it to a number of Viet Nam vets in the area and they also thought it was hilarious. It is now being used as an inside joke, so I thought you would enjoy the story. =-)
"* At least he served in Vietnam, unlike Robert F. Kennedy Jr.!"
or George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Rush
Limbaugh or any of the other chicken hawk including the author of the article, James Taranto, who himself never served in the military. These conservatives are a laugh a minute.
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 5:03 pm PT...
A few choice words from Robert Kennedy JR's appearance on the situation Room, or Innocence in the Shark Pool.
(no way verbatim)
Wolf deemed RFK JR's article "explosive accusations" and claims RFK JR uses exit polls to back up his accusations. Said they asked Ohio's candidate for Governor Blackwell refuses to come on the situation room.
Wolf used early Kerry statement against Kennedy, and again wailed "No Haaaaaaaard evidence of fraud!"
Later, Wolf said,"Let me intererupt for a second, ..., you have to have someone to come forward and say they were involved in this campaign."
Terry Holt was the other point of view. He talked out a lower orifice every lie, nasty word used in Ohio's talk-back points at the time. He would stand Kennedy's charge on it s head! He said Dems have sour taste in its mouth and in FL and OH and some other states, tried to stuff the ballot
One really big score for RFK JR on another statemnt though. POINTS OUT: The hearings on Capitol Hill and ASKED WOLF: Why hasn't national press covered this dispute?
Kennedy did get to state that Kerry has since changed his mind about the earlier statement, that his attorneys at the time told him they had no evidence to demand a recount.
(Didn't Kerry also later find out that his attorneys in Ohio were in a Republican law firm. I think Kerry should have known that. Correct me if I'm wrong!)
Just one time, I'd like to see Cafferty say "Woops, Wolffff!" "Sorry, looks like Woolf won't get to be on, tonight, and I am going to have to fill in for him indefinitely.)
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 5:16 pm PT...
BTW Please excuse typos. I'm outta here. I had my quarterly spasmodic episode of commenting. But ... relax. I've recovered. I will continue to read, but these straight jackets make it hard to type. Carry on. .... Tally Ho ....
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 5:49 pm PT...
Well if anyone should know about election fraud and conspiriacy it would be a Kennedy.
But to rely on Keith Olberman as a reliable reporter because he was into sports so knows a lot about numbers is a real laugh!
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:02 pm PT...
Know what? Fucker Carlson looks like the type of rich, bratty, preppy, whiny, loudmouth kid, who really needs a whoopin' by somebody, a whack whopside the head. Did he take off his bow-tie now? He looks like a puckering trout in that picture above. This is corporate TV news, my friends. The "wrong" has the creepiest looking people. Robert Novak looks like a troll, and Rush Limboob looks like Jabba-the-hut...if Jabba took oxycotin. Rightwing personalities are really "freak central."
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:05 pm PT...
Bill O'LIEly is pale white, and looks like he has blotches all over his face. He accused Al Franken of doctoring the picture of him, on Franken's book, to make him look uglier. Sadly, it was an undoctored phono. And Sean Hannity looks like he has one of those Devo plastic hair wigs, from "Whip It." WOW! And they have fans like Ricky & Mike J!!! PEEEEE-HEEEEEWWWWW!!!!!!!
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:10 pm PT...
...and Ann Coulter, to complete the freak show, looks like SKELETOR!!!!!!!!!! (or Keith Richards)
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:12 pm PT...
Re #57 -
Whoever made the comment that RFK Jr. didn't serve in Viet Nam has either got to be kidding or loves non sequiturs. He wouldn't have been old enough!
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 6:27 pm PT...
Step right up, ladies and gentlemen...the Ringling Brothers/Barnum & Baily Freak Show has just rolled into town!!!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 8:25 pm PT...
Jesus H Christ
Tucker Carlson is such a momma"s boy. Could you see him actually having his own convictions and defending them? NOT!!!
Did Robert F. Kennedy Jr. actually think he could get a fair shake by being interviewed by momma's boy? Give me a break.
That the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen, has been major news on the internet since, well, 2000.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 8:32 pm PT...
carlson tucker rhymes with nassty cocksucker. hes like the boy version of Ann Coulter
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 9:44 pm PT...
Like I said earlier, the best part of this interview was that the article got PUBLICITY in the MSM. Tucker is less than useless, but it doesn't matter that RFK (whose condition is called spasmodic dysphoria) may not have done his best debate this round - it got publicity and more people will read it as result. There was no question that Kennedy was going to be of limited effective in arguing his case on Tucker's show. It doesn't matter - the argument is in the article, and if more people read it, THAT is the matter of importance. Arguing that Tucker is an ass (or to what degree of ass he is) is secondary - it's stating the bleedin' obvious to boot. I am thrilled that this got out on the airwaves, and this is the opportunity to convert some nonbelievers.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:52 pm PT...
Come on, no REAL self-respecting male in America likes that little pussy, Tucker Carlson. No REAL guy respects him. I don't know ANYONE that thinks he's anything more than a yappy, stupid, little, whiney, pretty-boy that needs his ass kicked. Let him come to Texas, I'll punch his face personally.
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 10:54 pm PT...
Just tracked down the BradShow 6-11-05 interview in which Fritakis stated that Blackwell had the capability to override/overwrite county central tabulator data from the system in his office. Couldn't find on FreePress that Fritakis ever wrote that up as an article. Anybody know more than I do???
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]
said on 6/2/2006 @ 11:31 pm PT...
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 3:46 am PT...
Oh my God, You weren't kidding, they're actually making the case that Robert has a personal vendetta against Blackwell and that's the only reason he wrote the article. Is that really the best the they can come up with! We've won!
I'm guessing Robert Kennedy Jr. is the guy Mark Crispin Miller was talking about when he said someone of stature was going to come forward with the story.
I was kind of hoping it was Jimmy Carter as someone on this blog surmised.
Maybe he'll read it and come forward now! Jimmy, you're one of my heros, you can't deny there's something rotten in Ohio!
I'm ecstatic about the article, but why no picture of Kennedy on the cover?
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]
Robert Lockwood Mills
said on 6/3/2006 @ 4:46 am PT...
Elsewhere on Bradblog Ronald Wieck offers a hypothesis to explain the glaring discrepancies between exit poll results and tabulated votes in 2004. Rather than dismiss his idea out of hand, we should examine it, because if he's right, it weakens (but hardly destroys) the argument that the election was rigged.
Mr. Wieck says the early exit poll data was impossibly skewed in favor of Kerry, and suggests the polling was "slammed" to make Kerry's victory seem more assured. His illustration of slamming uses tiny and imaginary groups of voters, divided equally between the two candidates (8-8 in one hypothetical case), from which group a handful of votes are flipped to Kerry, creating the appearance of a large percentage lead for Kerry.
Mr. Wieck produces no evidence that this did in fact happen. He merely explains how the process could work.
First of all, no reputable polling organization would ever rely on a sample of 16 voters, and neither party would commission such a poll. So even if somebody "flipped" four votes, turning an 8-8 tie into a 12-4 lead for Kerry in one group, it would be a waste of time (not to mention a fraud). In order to create a viable sample (say, 1000 voters), 63 groups of 16 voters each would be required in each state...or 630 groups altogether for the ten battleground states where Kerry led in exit polls.
If we assume that no one person could be in 630 places at once on Election Day (I think even Ronald Wieck would agree with that), it means that 630 people committed the same fraud at the same time in 630 different places, not for the purpose of swinging an election, but to create doubt about the outcome of an election before the tabulated votes had been counted.
It's theoretically possible that 630 people are that dumb, but impossible to imagine they could have worked in concert to fool a professional polling organization. Unless, of course, the organization is itself corrupt and wanted Kerry to appear the winner, a supposition that is disproven out of hand by the efforts of Mitosky and others to discredit their own polling.
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 5:13 am PT...
Hi Peg C 54! Long time no etc. After I got out of the army in 69 I went back to college to finish up, and in 1972 I got to know Bobby Jr. As I recall, he was in college at the time, and the war was still festering away - perhaps he benefitted from the lottery that Noxin cynically initiated in an attempt to get a critical mass of college students to blow a sigh of relief and forget about anti-war protests. And Soul Rebel 68, I believe you meant spasmotic dysphonia, just FYI. And KBE 48, it is truly astomishing that anyone would try to paint this fine man as a racist. They truly have no shame, or sense of what reality really is, if I may wax a bit Clintonesque...
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 5:16 am PT...
OK, sorry Soul Rebel, spasmodic is all right too...
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 5:20 am PT...
As for dysphoria, it seems likely that duhbaya suffers from it...
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 5:33 am PT...
What a great thread! Sally 72 - "...not a great writer..." ? LOL - You Go Girl!
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 7:42 am PT...
#73 I don't think the Granddaddy of the DLC is going to say anything
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 12:03 pm PT...
RFK Jr atleast got publicity for the article and once people read it they will get more of the facts. He should have mentioned the exit polls and the sudden change in results.
Hopefully Rolling stone will sell out and have to go into overdirve printing more copies.
RFK speaking up is terrific and is a testiment to having some super rich Democrats. It makes it easier to speak up if you whole livelyhood is not under threat. Republicans would have a tought job destroying this man. I guess thats why his father was shot because that was the only way to destroy someone that powerful.
His voice problem makes him even more courageous than just about anyone. Indeed he seems to be one of the only people in the US prepared to use his voice for truth which makes what he says powerful. Truth is powerful.
I'm not a great writer but need to say this so I am going to do a little affirmation for this cause. Those from the MSM take note.
"It is safe to speak the truth. The truth is more powerful than the illusions of the Emperor. He has no clothes (ugh) so don't be afraid to say it. When attempts are made to bury it in the earth the stones will sing it loudly and proudly. The truth will protect us all if we let it because it is a love and abundance beyond what we can imagine. In it there is no fear, no greed because of its abundance. Deceptions are not real so cannot cast their mirage for too long.
In the end our very core must acknowledge the real and as the rest falls away and this is what remains.
Thanks to Bobby, Brad and Bev for courageously speaking the truth. You are expressing the highest qualites of Humanity. In my meditations I will ask for your divine protection and an easy non violent victory. You are all walking in the beautious light. Because of your ahdherance to truth your souls are expanding, your auras are beautiful and you are aligned with the true creative power behind us all.
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]
Grizzly Bear Dancer
said on 6/3/2006 @ 12:18 pm PT...
To Ronald Wieck - i am not a pacifist. I appologize to you for the personal attack because i do not know you. U R just a name even if it is only something you go by attached to your posts. All you represent to me is a disinformation spin whether it be as another paid Bushit spinster or someone who cannot read the writing on the wall or any of the other 180 points documented and evidenced in the book by Dr. Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman about the 2004 STOLEN ELECTION. THE 2ND US POWER GRAB STOLEN ELECTION.
Some of your posts udderly disgust me to the point that i cannot take your misrepresentation of the real facts. Instead of looking at the big picture of which i see BLOOD you see a punch card stamped BUSH.
Like many others at this site, i was aware of these RIGGED ELECTIONS when THEY occured and the combination of my youth and anger without any apparent recoarse pains me every moment as a patriotic American.
The FACT that we have a mass media with people such as Tucker Carlson makes me want to get up and fight. Instead of paying attention and listening to what Mr. Kennedy has to say, he disrespectfully interupts him. Instead of doing any sort of investigative journalism, he bullies from his wrong headed point of view without asking intelligent questions in an effort to rudely dispell what Robert Kennedy Jr. Attorney at Law had to say (WHICH SHOULD BE OF INTEREST TO ALL AMERICANS WHO BELIEVE IN THE IDEALS OF DEMOCRACY.
We are all AMERICANS. The criminal thugs in who stole control of our country since 2000 are the worst lying murderer ever to run the head of state.
The US Executive branch used power through manipulation to destroy the country started with 9/11 (loosechange911.com). The Bush administration then used this leverage further to justify their killing machine in world places such as the Middle East without consequence of the irreversable effects.
The destructive inpact on the fragile ENVIRONMENT unleased by these greedy oil barron elites and illunimatis to all living species in is a crime beyond any biblical Aragedon story fortelling the END.
These people must be held accountable for their crimes in an INTERNATIONAL court of law.
Since i am an American brought up old school like many who visit the Bradblog, i will work to see that these humans are IMPEACHED AND REMOVED FROM POWER ASAP. This is our country and I am at WAR with these greedy lying RUSTERS.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 12:53 pm PT...
Not a word - not one F***ing word have I seen or heard from the MSM!!!
Just a bunch of garbage from the right wing pundits.
This bear is pissed and I join the Grizzly Bear in a Dance of Rage!
When will the stranglehold on the press be released and when will they once again be the standard for checks and balances rather than the propaganda mouthpiece they have become.
Now they want to allow Big Media Corporations to own all of the sources - radio, TV, and newspapers - in the same area.
One more way to insure the propaganda continues to flow!
Can you say "PRAVDA"?
As the Grizzly said "udderly disgusting"
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/3/2006 @ 2:09 pm PT...
81.0 BLUEBEAR2 - Sound the like the end of the Free World as we once new it !!!
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 3:30 pm PT...
I--Shades of Dixie Chicks!--am sorry now that I have college degrees, because of Dr. Carlson's stupidity! His infantilism is exceeded only by his juvenility.
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]
Old Turk ---- SEND BRAD $$$$$$$$ !!!!!
said on 6/3/2006 @ 4:56 pm PT...
Found at the blog,..
Robert Kennedy Jr
Future Right Wing Talking Points!
-- He's a Kennedy!
-- George Bush voters in Wisconsin might have been inundated with cheese-doodles and prevented from voting by orange-tinged fingers!
-- He's slimming a black man!
-- His Uncle's a Drunk!
-- His Nephew's a Drunk!
-- His research was sloppy, as is demonstrated in my rebuttal --- it's the one without footnotes.
-- He's an environmental extremist!
-- He's a Kennedy!
-- He has a weak voice!
-- LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you!
-- But how much is he giving to Mary Jo's family?
-- He's an American Hater!
-- Why doesn't he go back to France!?
-- Some people say he's not very nice!
-- Sorry Lentils!
-- Why does he hate America?
-- And what about it, at least we now have a President brave enough to come out against gay marriage in election years!
-- He's not Michelle Malkin, who's like sane and stuff!
-- He does not eat paste!
-- Hey, Indeed!
-- LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA still can't hear you!
-- His Rolling Stone Article could hurt America!
-- His grandfather was a nazi symp --- oh, wait a minute...those poor Nazis murdered in cold blood by Ike's soldiers. (Bill O'Reilly only)
-- He's a Kennedy!
-- He's bitter!
-- He's not a misunderstood genius that is ahead of his time like George W. Bush!
-- He's a Kennedy!
-- LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA what? what?
-- My pee-pee hurts!
-- We're Winning!
-- He's not a decider!
-- He doesn't have the balls to out a CIA Operative!
-- I just made a present in my pants!
-- My God, for fuck-sake, he's a Kennedy!
Go read what Right-Wingers never will
The Rolling Stone Article By RFK Jr.
Posted by ATTATURK
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 5:09 pm PT...
And, Old Turk, they don't do it, until he starts saying something they don't like. They never even talk about RFK, Jr, so this will be proof.
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 6:05 pm PT...
Looks like you about covered it!
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/3/2006 @ 8:35 pm PT...
84.0 O.T. - Trying to put KKKarl rove out of a job . . .
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 9:10 pm PT...
#72 Sally Beautiful writing, beautiful aura...you speak Truth and I am touched.
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 11:03 pm PT...
Attaturk: Now that you've covered it for them, do you suppose they will spare us? Please?
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]
said on 6/3/2006 @ 11:24 pm PT...
RFK JR's report is accurate all right. We've been watching Ohio's b.s. from night #1. Had I never heard of the vote discrepancies and the cover-ups before, which a lot of people hadn't due to lack of MSM coverage, I'd be really skeptical right now. The heavy-hitting attacks on a man who has the courage to go on these gorilla-wrestling shows, and the vile newspaper and magazine attacks against a report with detailed accounts of election fraud, not voter fraud would be suspect! Once again a Secretary of State being awarded with a nice promotion to a much better job than he/she had previously. Katherine Harris should be an example to Mr. "above-the-law #_" Blackwell.
Bush's rating will not improve from these swat-down tactics, nor any other tactic. A man at the newstand told me in an unsolicited statement, that he simply hated and despised Bush, and then repeated it. The expression on his face and tone of voice was pure anger.
We've got their numbers! They won't fool us again. If they win, it's not because they won the election. Another verb will have to be inserted for won, won't it?
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]
said on 6/4/2006 @ 3:21 am PT...
This was a very good time for this article to come out. The convergence of Black Box Voting finally being proven right and now this being piled on is great!
Anybody else out there who can proudly wear a tin-foil hat, this is it!
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]
said on 6/4/2006 @ 4:25 am PT...
I still think we need a million-tinfoil-hat march on Washington...
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]
said on 6/4/2006 @ 10:28 am PT...
It would be nice to see Brad do a massive takedown of the Salon article. I've attacked it at Corrente but it's weird... In most of the blogosphere I hear *** crickets *** on this one....
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]
said on 6/4/2006 @ 3:16 pm PT...
"I still think we need a million-tinfoil-hat march on Washington... "
This is a great idea but don't expect it to be reported much.
1,000000 women recently marched for abortion rights and it got hardly a mention in the MSM.
It was called a march for womans lives because in third world countries where women have unsafe illegal abortions thousands and thousands of women die each year as did used to happen in western countries before abortion became legal.
Bush is doing his best to make sure these women do not get safe abortions or family planning with the global Gag rule that means US funds will be withrawn from any international agency providing abortions even if they use there own money for the abortions. This is killing women and bush does not care.
So for him to say he puts the life of the woman first is a complete lie. He knows women are dying every day because of his policy.
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/4/2006 @ 4:42 pm PT...
As far as I'm concerned the msm is as useless as Teets on a Bull. . .
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]
said on 6/5/2006 @ 2:56 am PT...
Thought this might interest you.
"John Swinton the former Chief of Staff at the New York Times, made this candid confession [it's worth noting that Swinton was called "The Dean of His Profession" by other newsmen, who admired him greatly]: "
" There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, as an independent press. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinions out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job.
If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone. The business of the journalist is to destroy the truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify; to fawn at the feet of Mammon, and to sell the country for his daily bread. You know it and I know it and what folly is this toasting an independent press. We are the tools and vassals of the rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]
said on 6/5/2006 @ 5:05 pm PT...
About the Swinton quote: it is a great one, but it is also well over 100 years old.
John Swinton (1829_1901)
The managing editor of the New York Times during the Civil War, John Swinton later became a crusading journalist in the movement for social and labor reform. Scottish_born, he learned typesetting in Canada before moving to the United States. During the trouble in Kansas he was active in the freesoil movement and headed the Lawrence Republican. Moving back to New York he wrote an occasional article for the Times and was hired on a regular basis in 1860 as head of the editorial staff. Afterward holding this position throughout the Civil War, he left the paper in 1870 and became active in the labor struggles of the day. He later served eight years in the same position on the New York Sun and published a weekly labor sheet, John Swinton's Paper.
Sounds like Swinton was a good bloke, probably dismissed at the time as an anti-capitalist extremist.
COMMENT #98 [Permalink]
said on 6/5/2006 @ 11:42 pm PT...
Thanks for telling me that before I unwittingly told someone who actually knows who I am. "Squirm"
Being foolish incognito is not quite so bad. Guess it pays to check your details.
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]
said on 6/6/2006 @ 5:09 am PT...
Hey it's a great quote and still is entirely true I'm sure - you just wouldn't get any of today's editors to admit it.
COMMENT #100 [Permalink]
JUDGE OF JUDGES
said on 6/6/2006 @ 7:12 am PT...
Correction - As far as I'm concerned the msm is as useless as TEATS on a Bull. . . . . I just wanted to post this again. . .
Interesting about John Swinton!
COMMENT #101 [Permalink]
said on 6/6/2006 @ 10:45 am PT...
kennedy was believable?!!
he was high as a kite!! or he looked and sounded it anyway.
tucker raises some good points, that the article is plainly partisan and written by left wing hacks, not to mention it was published in a very partisan publication. you will not get that admitted on this site, but it was. i too, think it is telling that john kerry is not fighting this.
i must say though. i admire your energy as a group. i wish it were for something usefull like developing an energy source to replace gas, or curing cancer, or creating the perfect golf club. but you do have energy, and that is good, somewhat.
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]
said on 6/6/2006 @ 12:58 pm PT...
Popeye - did you read the article? Read it on Rolling Stone online so you have access to all of the footnotes directly.
And go eat your fucking spinach.
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]
said on 6/6/2006 @ 2:22 pm PT...
How do you know that the people here are not working on new energy sources or researching cures for cancer?
COMMENT #104 [Permalink]
said on 6/6/2006 @ 2:27 pm PT...
How do you know what people here work on? I am researching cures for cancer. What do you do that is useful to society?
COMMENT #105 [Permalink]
said on 6/6/2006 @ 9:51 pm PT...
I am working a cure for Republicanism. It'll kill you quicker than cancer, AND it is contagious among certain susceptible populations, particularly among those with low IQ and those with lots of money. It is exponentially contagious among those with low IQ AND lots of money. We must stop it before it kills again.
COMMENT #106 [Permalink]
said on 10/2/2006 @ 1:34 pm PT...
I wish Kennedy would quit sucking so many dick and maybe his quavering voice would calm down. What a bogus asshole!