WOW 0.08% yeah, what a 'boon' to the poor schleps being forced to pay a few hundred bucks a month for shit insurance they can't afford anyway, and so they eat cheaper food-gain weight-and die of arterial heart disease by age 45; their kids go without new coats or school clothes; christmas now sucks.
You know, nobody really complained as much about the government created windfall for the insurance conglomerates as much as the communistic mandate that everyone has to buy it (except illegals who get it free) and the senator who was quoted as saying ''A family of FOUR living on $27,500 a year should EASILY be able to afford 275$ a month for crappy health insurance. Spoken like a truly retarded dickhead, living in the lap of luxury with free 100% coverage for every sniffle and scraped knee - with absolutely no concept of money, or how much shit costs in the real world.
EASILY afford 275 a MONTH? What planet is he and are you living on? Rent, food, utilities, telephone, gas & insurance for the car, car note probably - and that right there ALONE is most of that 27,500 a year before taxes. Unless they expect people to live in the worst possible ghetto hell circumstances, in which case they really DO need health insurance and a life insurance policy too.
I live on maybe 15,000 a year disability and I am expected to be able to EASILY afford 135 a month for this insurance, even though CATASTROPHIC coverage already exists and cheap health clinics cost less and help me get my medicine at a discount directly from the pharmaceutical company.
By the way, you liberals were right when you said we were crazy to believe there would be such a thing as 'death councils'. NO NEED. I read the commiecare manifesto (guidelines set forth by the government for 'care' to be given and under what circumstances) - they won't need a 'council' because it's already set in the 'rules' - care for people 75 or over, any disease or health problem that will cause death without treatment - 'make comfortable' relieve pain. THAT'S it. Hope you weren't hoping for more. My grandmother is 86. She had a heart attack 7 years ago - her heart had a lot of blockage, but also her husband and great-grandson(MY SON)had died within one day of each other exactly a year prior - I guess if she had been blessed with this 'wonderful gift to humanity' I would have lost her too.
Rebecca S. -
Wow. Thank god for ObamaCare! From the tenor of your message, you're gonna need it desperately pretty soon, if only for blood pressure medicine!
But let's see if I can help you, a bit, because it sounds like you've fallen for the Rightwing "ObamaCare" hoax hook, line and sinker. (Which the wingnuts thank you mightily for, btw.)
WOW 0.08% yeah, what a 'boon' to the poor schleps being forced to pay a few hundred bucks a month for shit insurance they can't afford anyway
Well, yeah. When the yearly average increase in premiums had been 10% prior to ObamaCare, for those of us out here in CA, for example, a decrease of any amount is both amazing and welcome. So would be no increase at all, or even a modest increase, as is likely to be the case here in CA.
I know for me, as I wrote late last year, I was delighted to save $300/month this year with the same provider I had last year, thanks to Obamacare.
As to the "poor schleps being forced to pay a few hundred bucks a month", I'll get to you in a second.
I live on maybe 15,000 a year disability and I am expected to be able to EASILY afford 135 a month for this insurance
Great news, Rebecca! If that's what you live on, you are entitled to FREE healthcare under the ObamaCare Medicaid expansion! (Unless, of course, you live in a state where your Republican Governor is blocking you from receiving it. If so, sorry about that. You should vote out your Republican Governor.)
If your Republican legislators didn't tell you about that, it's because they are playing you for a fool. And, it sounds like, you're happy to play the part.
CATASTROPHIC coverage already exists and cheap health clinics cost less and help me get my medicine at a discount directly from the pharmaceutical company.
If you'd like to be ripped off by "CATASTROPHIC coverage", that might otherwise be up to you. But at $15,000/year, guess who is more than likely going to be paying for any actual illness you get? That's right, the taxpayer. (Who do you think is funding that "cheap health clinic", btw?) Now, I don't mind helping you pay for healthcare, since you'll need the help at $15,000/year income, but it's better for everybody --- and cheaper, by far, for taxpayers --- if everyone pay into the pool, rather than just some, while others (you for instance?) suck off the system without paying their fair share.
By the way, you liberals were right when you said we were crazy to believe there would be such a thing as 'death councils'.
Don't know what "liberals" you think you're referring to, lady. Most of the folks at this site, in any case, (including myself) opposed Obamacare as it was passed. On the other hand, most of us here aren't also blinded by partisan ideology based on lies, so we can also point out what is successful (and what isn't) about the current law, without passing on hoax bullshit of the type it seems you've fallen for.
I read the commiecare manifesto (guidelines set forth by the government for 'care' to be given and under what circumstances) - they won't need a 'council' because it's already set in the 'rules' - care for people 75 or over, any disease or health problem that will cause death without treatment - 'make comfortable' relieve pain. THAT'S it. Hope you weren't hoping for more.
Uh...a couple of things here. First, if you're 75 or over, you area already covered by Medicare. You don't need the private insurance mandated by Obamacare. Second, since you "read" it, I hope you'll be generous enough to let us know what page you "read" the above at. Otherwise, you might appear to be a huge, duped liar passing off bullshit you were told by wingnuts without bothering to actually learn if they were lying to you as well.
We'll be waiting for the page number, dear. Hope you'll not disappoint us!
My grandmother is 86. She had a heart attack 7 years ago - her heart had a lot of blockage, but also her husband and great-grandson(MY SON)had died within one day of each other exactly a year prior - I guess if she had been blessed with this 'wonderful gift to humanity' I would have lost her too.
Sorry to hear about your losses. However, with your grandmother covered by government healthcare at the time, I hope she received her regular treatments and that the government-paid healthcare after the heartattack helped her out. If her husband and your son did not receive regular medical check-ups, as is provided under Obamacare, that may have been why their heart condition wasn't discovered prior to their deaths. Hopefully that same tragedy will now happen to far fewer people because of the Affordable Care Act. (And, hopefully, the ACA will be improved so that it covers many more people for much less money in the future, via a single payer system, akin to the type your grandmother now enjoys from the government.)
1. nice, pick out the miscues, hyperbole and errors, but leave the essential thrust of her valid points alone... gosh, this blogging bidness is easy, peasy, japaneasy ! ! !
2. there are NUMEROUS valid reasons to oppose obamacare (since you say you opposed it, that would seem to indicate you think so too); most definitely including it entrenches and sanctifies THE MOST egregious component of the (so-called) health care (read: health profits) industry: the parasitic insurers...
it would be tedious (if not useless, since YOUR wallet has gotten fatter, it appears YOU have drunk the koolaid, too: OBVIOUSLY obamacare has now magically turned into an unalloyed 'good thing') to dig up the links to numerous articles which analyze EXACTLY HOW they have the WHOLE INDUSTRY by the balls, and it is ALL to squeeze them and extract maximum pain (ie money) from the hoi polloi...
for example, the couple thousand healthcare 'codes' needed to apply for billing, etc, is exploding to 60-70000, and that has NOTHING to do with 'helping' the patients, and EVERYTHING to do with screwing them over more and better...
their forms and contracts, etc, are now making you include every bruise, hangnail, and sneeze that you had in your life so they can REFUSE/RESCIND COVERAGE when they trip you up on *something* they *WILL* find...
we HAVE given the henhouse to the foxes, and a few chickens get better feed, so they aren't squawking so loud... gee, i feel so happy for those lucky few chickens... buck buck buck
3. *just* went to look at healthinsurance.gov (sic), and i can't get out of there with the SHITTIEST bronze coverage (w/a 6250 deductible before ANYTHING kicks in, sweet!) eats up 25% of my TAKE HOME pay @ 38k per year...
so, i pay 25% of my take home, then if i actually get sick, i have to spend $6250 (about 3 months of take home) out of pocket...
(my wife's insurance to get me covered was EVEN MORE for less; my work insurance is almost two times more, BUT it actually does cover some shit without a huge deductible, but there are other issues...)
and BEFORE you go full stupid on me, YES it is 'my state's fault' (AS IF i had a freaking choice, dickless) that i can't have 'real' obamacare and have to rely on the 'marketplace' (what a sick joke that is), BUT THAT IS REALITY FOR A LOT OF US... so, yeah, just write all the rest of us off as sore losers...