These seem to be the daze of shooting into a crowd.

Mass shootings for no reason into students by students, wackos shooting many people for no reason.

The press is for keeping an eye on the government, and it is not like there is nothing going on in government that needs to be watched by the press.

Either dKos has been infiltrated, the leadership there planned it this way, or the leadership just does not have a clue.

On the other hand there is something to be said of having multi-faceted views. But the dKos problem is that they handle it like neoCons, attacking the messenger instead of the message.

That is the DNA of an intellectual bankruptcy trying to equalize it with a power trip putting down another instead of countering the argument.

Markos Moulitsas is the new Joe Klein.

It's a real shame. And I mean that sincerely. There used to be a lot of interesting and thoughtful commentary over there --- you still had to sift through some lame posts, naturally, but it wasn't that hard. Because there was so much variety and diversity of opinion, it was easy to find something for everyone.

Not anymore.

The pissy hall monitors have run off all the interesting people, or crushed them under the weight of the accumulated groupthink. Those who do not adhere to the dKonventional Wisdom are vilified and metaphorically drawn and quartered.

Perhaps they will return to sanity and open, decent discourse after the primaries are over, but somehow I doubt it. The true character of some of their regulars is rather disturbing, and very disappointing.

Granted, 'it takes all kinds to make a world', as the saying goes, but for some reason I expected better of progressives.

this won't b the first or the last time nobleness of spirit has been under the ridicule of the power hungry. u r n good company.

They stink.

kos it just ain't right . . .

Hmmm... The Daily Kos A Nostra . . .

David Sirota is just one of the last to receive lambasting... they just pilloried Ralph Nader for announcing his presidential run, acknowledging that his run was only in order to get his message heard. I could not finish reading the comments they were so vituperative.

What happened to promoting democratic ideals?

As a blog they should be discussing the issues brought up by his run.... not repeating the repug talking points that Ralph stole the election from Gore... WAKE-UP.. the repug dominated Supreme Court stole the election from the US people and Gore !
Divide and conquer, marginalize and vilify... just don't... GASP... have a reasoned discourse.

David Sirota is just one of many being attacked.
Why? Markos has recently been made a mainstream media pundit... it seems to me that there may have been a deal to add some 'moving to the center' type front pagers on his staff.
Well.... "et tu brutus"... someday soon from those he thinks are his friends.

Looks like Josh Marshall at TPM is another who repeats the repug talking points on Nader.

I thought these supposedly progressive thinkers were more intelligent and respectful of democratic ideals.

I want to commend BradBlog for the more open and easy to use posting policy.

Archicoot #8,#9:

Speaking of Nader,his entry into the presidential race is a big boon for election fraudsters.

The reason for this is that the concept of plausible deniability has been introduced. Those engaged in election fraud can use as one of their techniques the siphoning off of votes to Nader to help their "chosen candidate" win the election.

It is amazing what comes to mind when you look at things from an election integrity perspective. Some would call this paranoia or cynicism but in our current universe all of this is entirely doable.

Eh. Larry Johnson is a scumbag but I agree with the rest.

Attacks by the party hacks on David Sirota, Nader and Brad continue to remind me that there is only one political party in the US, the corporate/big money party, controlled by the ultra-rich. They're not on my side. The more I hear these lizard-brained FOX News style attacks on anyone not 100% with the ruling class party line, the more likely I am to change my mind and vote for Nader.

So go ahead boys, cut your own throats.

This is sort of off topic I guess but I can’t help myself. Sirota is one of my favorite writers yet he is clearly a very strong party loyalist and hesitates to talk about anything that might be considered too near the “fringe”. That observation is not intended as an attack or even criticism; It is eyebrow raising though. I read him all the time but I’ve always been worried that the day would come when I would click on his blog and see a nasty attack on Nader or on election integrity activists. Does anyone know his positions?

I think the author of this article and the readers of this Website should disavow themselves of any notion that DailyKos is in any way a "progressive" site, "supposedly-," "purportedly-," or in actuality.

The main purpose, as expressed in DKos's "mission statement," is to elect Democrats- not progressives, not socialists, not Greens- to political office at all levels of government. Here's a link directly to the part of the FAQ that addresses this issue: http://dkosopedia.com/wi..._purpose_of_this_site.3F

While DailyKos does air a certain percentage of "progressive" viewpoints, there are also many "centrists" and "conservative Democrats," whose posts are barely distinguishable from what used to be called "moderate Republican thinking."

The Website's owner himself regularly savaged Dennis Kucinich during the early months of this primary season before offering his self-described half-hearted endorsement of Kucinich. Today's highlighted journals include a number that curse Ralph Nader for daring to take advantage of his First Amendment rights and run for President.

So if any of you, including the owner of _this_ site, think that what's talked about at DailyKos reflects a broadly progressive consensus, please think again.

Keep up the good work Brad. We've got a long way to go and if Kos doesn't want to help then just ignore them. We'll probably find some Independents and Republicans along the way who will see value in Election Integrity. There'll be enough patriotic Americans who will fight for fair accurate elections. It's just gonna take some time.

You're a hero to me, but let's just keep that between you and me.

DailyKos keeps digging itself into a deeper hole. Maybe Brad{CIA} and RawStory{Russian Mafia} could come together and make us a forum. There is a real need for an honest, fair place for amateur and professional bloggers to work together. Just kidding with the CIA/Russian Mafia thing. I still can't believe the John Caylor dude posted that.

Most of us post because it gives us the hope that even nobodies can make a difference. It's one thing for Kos and others to trample on regular folks, and I'm not condoning that, but to attack a nationally syndicated columnist willing to post at their forum is beyond ridiculous.

I believe that there are insidious people who are paid to post on the internet. They aren't like Brad or Sirota, trying to craft an open agenda niche on the internet. Rather, they appear to be simply making disinformation posts as part of their job.

Here is one example that seems to fit the bill for that, someone named Ferrous. He works for a law firm with ties to Jack Abramoff and Chalabi. Is Ferrous part of another type of Netvocates scam which uses the internet to further hidden agendas?

Maybe "Ferrous" can enlighten us to the origin of the astroturfing campaign about "conspiracy nutters."

Right-wing smear machine tries to crucify Al Gore

posted by Ferrous

"They have never, and I repeat, never smeared anyone on the right like this, not even close."

You must be joking. I suppose all the constant hatred at the current President of the United States of various members of his cabinet doesn't qualify as smearing in your warped little reality. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

It must be great to live permanently in liberal la la land. Give my regards to Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, and Michael Moore who all own massive palace complexes there.

Here is something the original blogger said in reply. Maybe he based this on access to Ferrous' ip address?

posted by Richard

Oh, and by the way, the commenter Ferrous works for a firm called Preston Gates Ellis. Here's the first line of its write-up in Wikipedia: "From 1994 to 2001, Preston Gates Ellis & Rouvelas Meeds LLP employed Jack Abramoff, a Republican lobbyist later convicted for his illegal activities. "

So now we know. Congratulations Ferrous - you're in fine company.

http://forum.cygnus-stud...om/showthread.php?t=1779

posted by Ferrous

Let me ask a simple question. If you were boarding a plane, and there were 4 or 5 young mid-eastern men , some with heavy accents speaking broken English, would you feel at ease, knowing that their Civil Rights weren't being violated by us not taking a little notice of them?
We are at war, and the enemy has been identified. Now it is up to us to sort through all of those that fit the description. War is hell, and a lot more people are going to be killed. Should we do everything that we can, to give us an advantage over these terroist, that hide among their own kind? Wouldn't you think that lawful Islamic people in this country would wish to help?
That might be the biggest question. Are the lawful Islamic people willing to help the West, by betraying the radical fundamentalists? If the Islamic people can't aid us in tracking down these crimminals and putting an end to their "Evil" then this might be the "Jihad". In that case, it will mean either the end of Islam or "Hell on Earth"

Here Ferrous admits to working with that firm mentioned above.

http://soundpolitics.com/archives/006540.html

...I can vouch for this. Pedersen is one of the partners at the firm. (I work there. Doesn't mean I have to like it.)
Posted by: ferrous on July 27, 2006 02:21 PM

People can engine search that firm, Jack Abramoff, throw in Chalabi and the CIA if they want. My question is where do all these hotshots get the time to make thousands of posts? Are we supposed to believe they are doing this in their free time?

Sirota has an interesting expose on Clinton's NAFTA history.

It shows that Obama is correct about her statements and positions on NAFTA.

Ohio may give her a dose of accountability, from their dire straights economic condition, for having done so.

Afterll, Marcos did admit he once was CIA. What do they say about that? You never leave the Company.

Well, Jillian, to be precise I don't think Marcos has ever said "he was once CIA."

Both you and I should have links to these assertions, however!

It's important that, if we're going to slam someone or cast aspersions on their associations, that we take the time and care to back it up. Thank you for qualifying your statement to reflect that you weren't sure.

They don't do that over at Kos --- just read what they've said over there about this site for an ugly taste of defamatory, unsourced, yellow (as in 'piss on everything') "journalism".

Kos was or still is in the CIA. That is a fact. He's creepy and fits in nice and cozy on an internet full of fakery and paid trolling. Anderson Cooper too.

As for Chuck Barris, who knows.

Markos, Mr Houle and his gang of self described hyenas have attacked and/or banned just about every decent liberal unfortunate enough to have posted on that blog. They are useless operatives. who sneer at Greg Palast, David Sirota and Bev Harris.