Brad,

what is fundamentally disturbing about this ad is that it represents the triumph of the Goebbels strategy. Of course, we should begin pointing out as often as possible that Bush has been the motivating force behind al Qaeda's greatest growth in history. To paraphrase him on the economy, he's grown the terrorism pie higher.

Do we actually need to point that out?

I guess, given what we see posted here and elsewhere from the Right, it does need to be pointed out. Not that they'll take their heads outta their ...sand...to listen to it.

>a war hero, decades long civil servant and Presidential nominee like John Kerry to Osama bin Laden?

If Hitler was a war hero, civil servant, and compared to Osama, then you would be ok with that? I mean, it is you guys saying "Anyone but Bush" and Soros is spending millions to defeat Bush. Write about that!!!!!

It's about Kerry's political beliefs and his softness on terror, not about his being a war hero or civil servant.

Paul,

If Bush is so tough on terror, why does his Administration continually ignore evidence of IRAN being complicit in terror acts and indirectly abeting the commission of the 9/11?

i agree with Teddy. Not only this but why do we choose guys like Dandy Don Rumsfeld and Big Time Dick who did business with the "axis of evil" and entrust them with our nation? Its scandalous.

Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia - it over yet!!!!!!

sorry - it ain't over yet!!!!

Paul,

you want to put some moeny on the oiligarchy going into Saudi Arabia? Will never happen.

Saudi is killing terrorists as we speak. We will deal with different countries - differently. By the way, this is not about oil and anyone who believes that is missinformed, says my father-in-law who is in the oil business and worked in Saudi Arabia for many years.

To say this war is about oil, or not about oil, is to miss the larger picture. I would argue 'oil' is a shorthand way of stating it's about the corporations, contracts, and monies that are transferred in those regions by American subcontractors. It's merely been lumped into an 'oil issue,' but I would assert that those who feel it's oil money include many other industries and rising American entrepreneurs as well. So I guess you're right Paul, this war runs through much deeper ground than oil.

Ah, what $87 billion dollars could have provided in this country. Our grandchildren will only imagine in their poverty...

Bryan's right on the "money" in his post about the Corporate interests at stake here from top to bottom.

Though he's a bit old fashioned in quoting just $87 Billion. Try $200 Billion! And counting!

As to Paul's statement:
"I mean, it is you guys saying 'Anyone but Bush'; and Soros is spending millions to defeat Bush. Write about that!!!!!"

Okay, I will. Anyone but Bush would be much better than Bush. And George Soros, like so many of George Bush's friends (Richard Mellon Scaife, anyone?) is spending millions to try and see Bush defeated.

Did I miss anything?

$87 billion was what MY grandchildren will have to pay, Brad, while yours will pick up the rest of the $113 billion, and counting.

Paul,

"We will deal with different countries - differently"

Sure will. Who was it that aided Hamas in the development of their missiles? Who gave Hamas over 200 million dollars to support the families of "martyrs". Both of these facts far exceed what Iraq had done and they were both carried out by...Saudi Arabia. Apparently propping up the serious backers of terrorists and invading those who have done far less, in ragrd to terrorism, is an appropriate rule of thumb for you. i prefer my government a little more truthful.

As for your father in law, what can i say, i didn't bother consulting him.

Bryan,

couldnt have said it better myself. Great post!

For the record, I know Paul's father-in-law well. What Paul forgot to mention is that Paul's father-in-law is anything but a Bush supporter.

Whether or not he said anything about "this not being about oil" is questionable, and not along the lines of conversations that I've had with his father-in-law.

But in anycase, as he does work for oil interests, is there any real surprise that he'd not want to believe and/or admit that it's all about oil interests?

None the less, as usual, Bryan pegged the bigger, more important picture, and Paul, as usual, has his souveneir Bush-Cheney '04 Blinders firmly in place. Press on brave self-sacrificing soldier of fortune.