Thank You for the updates.

John

You said "A losing incumbent" (emphasis mine) and I know what you mean, but doesn't this illustrate that even the structure of the language we use to describe election events shows a built in bias?

I mean we really do not know if the incumbent lost or not, because we have valid doubts or NO CONFIDENCE feelings, because we know the nature of the machines used to do the count.

The structure of our language says the loser wants a recount, which shows a history of faith in our elections.

Which is an ok thing I suppose, so long as we realize that any such faith must change when evidence mandates it.

The chain of custody violations on thousands of machines in San Diego (by election warlord Haas), and the subsequent poo pooing of that illegality ("it's been done this way for 40 years"), smacks of the classic case of being in a rut.

We are in new uncharted territory, and it remains to be seen if this blind faith built into our elections will be so strong that we just go on subconsciously thinking that only losers want a recount.

I do not know what party the incumbent you mentioned belongs to, but these daze I do not fault anyone for asking for a hand count where machines have been used for the first count.

OT: I just want to add the word DIEBOLD to the dictionary as a NOUN meaning electronic election fraud devices by ALL manufactures.

Now on to the ON TOPIC.
After paying friggin money to get a count?!

whaaa?

The Electronic Manufactures should pay the fscking money. PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD . DO YOU HEAR ME FREAKING SCREAMING AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

SOS BURN IN HELL

Q: When has ONE sanity check been done to compare electronics against paper in full 100%?

A; Never . BURN IN HELL

Everyone, now..
Blow off the fear-tactic-brainwash of wake up call to the possibility of a Republican challenge of the next election.

Electricity is invisible.
Electronics and Signals can not be validated.
Parts burn up, chips can be doped, malware rigged

These corrupt Electronic companies - ALL OF EM! are responsible for this world wide national security mess.
They can not validate the entire electronic system. Not even GOD can. They caused this NOT GOD. MEN DID IT.

The ONLY way to resolve this is with another completely non-electronic election. (not like I saw in mexico with a god damned calculator!) Everyone needs to be involved. Hell if you want to vote, you better want to COUNT!

At this point there will be attempts at socially engineering the vote in other ways, like forcing someone with a god damn mailed voter pamphlet to show an ID or just eliminating them from the rolls, or dumping their votes in the trash. Or a myriad and plethera of other dirty tricks. Perhaps some bloody noses are in order?! At least we will all be face to face.

It's gonna come down to cival war if that's the shit they want to play.

The fsckin vote needs to be counted . PERIOD

Don't think that the American People can't pull a nightmare ass Ukraine!

At that point in time, I don't give a fuck ™ who's in charge anymore and neither will you.

If you can't connect the dot's right now.

a.) your poor or un-educated and don't have web access, or know how to search
b.) You are BRAINWASHED by ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, AND FOX
c.) well all be dead soon because of the corruption
d.) your the cause of the problem itself

I think Phil may be, uh, a little pissed off right now.... Know the feeling.

The domestic terrorists are the ones who created the electronic voting black boxes.

And our elected officials have taken an oath to defend the constitution from them.... It's not happening.

If you swore an oath.

Do your sacred duty!

PERIOD

I argue, in Sacramento that Bruce McPherson the Secretary Of State has tampered with more than three DieBold machines by allowing them to be tampered with and uncertified and by saying that the final results are X, Y, Z. When with electronics the result could have been A, B, C.

Where were these machines? IN MY LOCAL PRECINT.

I saw it personally.
My paper went in, and nothing came out.

AND I SAW THE ORANGE STICKER ON TOP OF THE DIEBOLD SCANNER THAT SAID IF YOU TAMPER WITH THIS MACHINE IT'S A FELONY.

The way I see it, he's tampered with more than three machines by breaking his oath, and breaking his own laws, and allowing uncertified machines to let loose.

That's three strikes.
That's LIFE in PRISON.

You might want to argue it in court, I really could give a crap. Argue it.

DO YOUR SACRED DUTY!

It's better than YOU and ME slamming the fsckers with a SLEDGE HAMMER!

Uh, Phil's still a little upset, here. I do know the feeling!

Phil

I've had this little theory for quite a few years now. I notice things, and especially involving governmental functioning, at all levels. It seems that it is not done to acutally fulfill your duty, actually live up to any oath. People no longer DO their jobs; they merely go along posing as the person who holds their job title. For instance: The Director of California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection does not direct anything... just sits at the desk, takes the calls, goes to the meetings, lets whatever the big boys want to happen HAPPEN. It is not unique to public servants. It's in offices and other businesses all across the country. I'm amazed we still find food at the grocery store. Pretty soon the truckers are just going to be behind the wheel, rolling willy-nilly. Like they've spiked our air. It's almost completely science fiction out there now.