{ed note: Same cowardly troll. Different name. So comment deleted. When you have the courage to start posting as Atty Jimmo again, your posts may stay --- if they aren't abusive to other posters.}

Proof is not a word in the Liberal vocabulary. As long as the idea is popular among the inner party, it must be true. A sort of Ministry of Truth made famous by George Orwell.

Blackwell blatantly has broken several election laws. So why has he not been arrested? I mean seriously, does anyone know the answer to this?

I wonder if J. Kenneth "Sith" Blackwell is not a better name.

I do not think he would come to his senses and testify to the truth so as to bring the bu$hit administration crime spree to a stop.

So, in that sense, he does not even have the capacity to wear the shoes of Darth.

Darth attained his position alongside Yoda and Obi Wan by exposing the emperor.

J. Kenneth "Sith" Blackwell is not in a position to attain that in my opinion.

But lets hope that Brad is right and I am wrong. I would welcome it with open arms ... but not of the NRA kind.

Praetorian #2

Why have you given up on truth and gone instead to abject rhetorical untruth?

Proof is a word I have explained here more than once. You can look it up if you care to.

But one thing is quite sure ... at this juncture you have no clue as to its meaning. That is because your "understanding" has some structural flaws in it.

Care to elaborate, Dredd? Examples?

Jim? Proof? What laws? How did he break them?

Speaking of proof, here's some. Brad claims that the government is censoring Galloway's testimony. Within that threads of lies, you'll find that I posted his complete testimony. Took about 4.6 seconds to find it - freely available. Censorship, Brad? Surely you meant to say "not where I expected to find it."

Thanks for posting this, Brad. Murky, mucky, dangerous stuff. Poor Ohio!

Speaking of murky and mucky, the air around here is becoming rather noxious. I would venture the guess that people are trying to eradicate eagles with rotten eggs.

The air around here has been becoming noxious for some time. It used to be a wonderful website. Hope it is again.

Jay #10 -

The same pollution is happening over at Conyers' website. Think some people somewhere might have struck a nerve and triggered a well-known skunkly fear response?

for #8 - Let's look at a commonly used context for the word "censor":

Some television networks censor movies in that they examine the movies and remove the content they don't agree with before airing them on their networks. Now, I can still go to the video store and buy the original version, then post on somebody's blog that I was able to do so in X amount of time, along with a complete transcript of the original movie.

Does this prove that the television networks did not censor the movie?

Praetorian, where has Brad stated that the Galloway testimony has been censored?

You listen to too much Limbaugh. Watch too much FOX "news". Their audiences are easily fooled, partly because the Limbaughs of the world help them to believe what they want to believe.

Sorry, but your tactics don't work here.

The Galloway testimony was not censored. It was removed, scrubbed, erased, wiped off, degreased, humidified, take your pick, off the Senate Subcommittee website.

Why bother with censorship when you have a compliant media? Censorship would be if the Senate Subcommittee told every blogger in sphere not to print the story or else, but I'm sure diligent lexicographer like yourself would know that.

but I'm a sure diligent lexicographer like yourself would know that.

HA! I caught my mistake before you could.

For Jim Cirile: Why hasn't Blackwell been prosecuted?

I agree he should have been. But he's running for governor (does the Ohio G.O.P. have any shame?). If the Attorney General went after him, it could be seen as political, because he's also running for governor. And to have the Republican Secretary of State under indictment would help the Democrats regain the governorship and win legislative seats.

Why hasn't Robert Novak been prosecuted for exposing a C.I.A. operative? Why haven't Bush administration officials been impeached or prosecuted for war crimes? John Rowland is in jail for graft (he deserves to be), yet other people walk around with a cock-of-the-walk attitude as if to say, "You can't touch me."

Only when the American people get really, really mad about all this will change come about. It would help if the mainstream media would devote half the time to Clint Curtis that it devoted to Rowland and Martha Stewart.

@jIM #3 ..

Blackwell has a friend who's a judge... another criminal shithead.. this one going by the name of "Moyers".

Moyers wouldn't recuse himself from judging his own crimes... so... Ohio has no law if Blackwell's the criminal, because of corrupt GOP judges who are implicated in the same scandals as Blackwell.

Blackwell isn't being held accountable because he has sleazy GOP friends in high places that can get his criminal ass off the hook and keep him from being locked up.

@praetorian #7..

For one, there's the lockdown... Electional officials cited a terrorist threat... The FBI said no such alert was raised. Blackwell lied so that he could get the ballots hidden away from observers, he implied that there was a terror threat and that a lockdown was needed. He lied.

The fact he refuses to swear on oath should be enough for people to demand he stand down simply because he refuses to swear that his version of events are true. He is blatantly distrustful. - There is only one logical reason for his refusal and only your denial will stop you accepting it. Blackwell is guilty as hell and he knows it.

Also... we don't even need solid proof for investigations (which we are being denied too!!) under criminal law. The basis of such cases should be actionable fraud and should, due to 'reasonable suspicion' allow others to carry out such an investigation. As follows (in the Ohio case):

(The following is from: http://www.dailykos.com/...ory/2004/11/30/185532/75)

(1) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have counted all ballots, when they have in fact tossed huge batches of ballots in the trash canisters, then that is actionable fraud.

(2) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have counted all ballots, when they have in fact loaded huge batches of ballots in the back of a pickup truck that just happens to have a pro-Bush sticker on it, then that is actionable fraud.

(3) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have turned over all official voting tallies, when they have in fact tossed some official vote tallies that they said didn't exist into trash containers, then that is actionable fraud.

(4) That when voting officials state that they have turned over all official records pursuant to an appropriate Freedom of Information Request (FOIR), when they have in fact not done so, then that is actionable fraud.

(5) That when voting officials secret or destroy public voting records in order to conceal it from the public, then that is actionable fraud.

(6) That when voting officials dissemble anything of significant import concerning an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(7) That when voting officials intentionally give the voting public wrong information about who can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(8) That when voting officials intentionally give the voting public wrong information concerning where a person can or cannot vote, then that is actionable fraud.

(9) That when voting officials intentionally give the voting public wrong information about who can or cannot register to vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(10) That when individuals, under the color of authority, accept voter registrations from members of the voting public and promise to bring them to the Registrar of Voters, but instead tear them up or throw them away, then that is actionable fraud.

(11) That when members of the opposing party give the voting public wrong information about who can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(12) That when members of the opposing party give the voting public wrong information about where a person can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(13) That when members of the opposing party give the voting public wrong information about when a person can or cannot vote in an election, then that is actionable fraud.

(14) That when members of the opposing party tell the voting public that they will be arrested for overdue parking tickets at the polling site when they vote, then that is actionable fraud.

(15) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they do not have any additional machines to put on site, when they know there are another 87 of them sitting in their warehouse, then that is actionable fraud.

(16) That when Blackwell states in a media interview that there were only a few minor problems during the Ohio election, when he knows the statement to be completely false and untrue, then that is actionable fraud.

(17) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have enough voting machines on site, when they know that they do not, then that is actionable fraud.

(18) That when voting officials tell the voting public that they have sent out by mail, as per individual request, 50,000 absentee ballots, when in fact they did not, then that is actionable fraud.

(19) That when voting officials hide from the voting public the fact that they have thrown out thousands of provisional ballots, then that is actionable fraud.

(20) When voting machine manufacturers actively hide the fact that their key people who generate the secrets codes for their voting machines and tabulators are convicted embezzlers, hackers and felons, then that is ACTIONABLE FRAUD.

It all happened... Blackwell and his buddies are guilty, we don't just suspect it, we see it in every action and reaction Blackwell makes. His revenge attacks, his refusal to swear that he'll tell the truth, the lockdowns and everything else listed above.

Of course... if you're in denial now... the above info probably won't bring you to your senses.

Blackwell belongs to a new genre of political animals, the "I'm sent by a righteous Christian God to rid the Earth of heathen liberals" group.

This crowd has convinced itself it is acting for God. It believes George W. Bush is God's designee on Earth for "family values" (God could never be so dumb as to designated Bush for anything, but we aren't dealing with bright folks here, just blindly religious ones). Religious zealotry allows an "end justifies the means" credo, which means it's OK to lie (for God) and OK to steal elections (for God).

In the case of Muslim zealotry, it means it's OK to ram airplanes into office buildings. The same passion, differing only as to degree.

We have to understand the enemy here. We can offer up a dumpster full of evidence, and it won't matter. To a religious zealot, evidence presented by "an enemy" is rejected out of hand. And we're the enemy to these trolls...and to Blackwell.

Blackwell hasn't been prosecuted because our leader owes the election to him. There would be hundreds in jail with him, if we lived in a democracy. Thaqnks Brad for all you do to bring it back.

Peg (Post #9),

I agree with you. With the increase in vitriol, I'd say the Republican machine has finally caught up with Brad and decided to attack before he gets too big.

Take that as a compliment, all! It tells me we are having an affect in exposing the neo con frauds! Take heart in that they have to fight back, meaning that *for once since before Clinton's impeachment*, we Progressives are FINALLY on the offensive! And the neo cons are once again playing defense! First time since before 1994, I think!

re #21: It ain't much of a defense, hardly worth $5 per dumb post ...

That is what the professional trolls are getting paid, isn't it, trolls?

Man, you'd have to be a serious loser scumbag to become a professional troll! What a pathetic existence!

There is clearly no shortage, however...

Winter P #22 -

I was just going to mention that myself. That Roman legionnaire is paying his rent by squatting here and "trolling."

Praetorian @ #8

Well, let's start off our little talk with the definition of censor:

# A person authorized to examine books, films, or other material and to remove or suppress what is considered morally, politically, or otherwise objectionable.

So.. Galloway -clearly- gave testimony at the hearing. Surely not even a drip like you can deny that.. So, instead of posting the dialogue on their site, where they post ALL OTHER TESTIMONY, they chose to, instead, say "provided no testimony".. Well, looks to ME like they -censored- what he said.. in that they 'removed' or 'suppressed' what they considered 'objectionable'.. in this case, everything..

How's that for "truth" ? and "proof" ? The government is censoring Galloway's testimony because they don't want you to know about it. Just because they don't have the ability to "completely" censor it (read: prevent others from showing the truth) doesn't mean they are not censoring it on their site. And, as YOU point out, the place one would "expect" to find it, of all places..

Move along troll.. sun's comin up and you don't want to be caught out of your swampy hole..

$5 ? Somebody is over-paid! Is this another example of our tax $ at work?? Wouldn't shock me at all.

'No Bi-Partisan Boards of Election in Ohio?
Are you saying Blackwell lied? Oh, now I am shocked. Really. uh-huh.

I do some political posting in the political forum of an online game I am involved in. In fact, I had quite a following and eventually silenced the trolls because, I posted facts and just ignored them. They disappeared. But i still had my following.

Then they had a server merge and a whole new group of maggots began posting to that political forum. They got under my skin for a bit, but I found the best thing to do is just ignore them and continue to post facts. If you don't feed them, they starve as they can't get a rise out of you. It's no fun for them if no one reacts.

Funny they accused me of 'exploiting' the 9/11 families because we know that if the Bu$h cartel was at least compliant, if not a participant in the 9/11 attack. The maggots accuse me of exploiting these families. So I post video testimony of the sizable 9/11 Truth Independent Committee, so then they come back and say "everything you post is biased." And I am going how biased is it to link video testimonies in a HUGE Investigation BY the PEOPLE that SHOULD have been on the news anyway?

Maggots filled with hate and intolerance, they are. Excuse the Yoda speak. Don't feed them and they will starve.

Hey Preyingmantis, I ain't gonna bite off your head and will try not to accidently step on you. Why don't you educate yourself about Secretary of State and Cochair to the Bush Cheney reelection filth known as Kenneth Blackwell. You can find the complete history how Blackwell cheated for Bush at www.freepress.org. Good that you found the Galloway testimony somewhere. Now why don't you email a copy to your local newspaper and ask them to print his words on the FRONT PAGE or as close to the front page as possible. Blackwell for Govenor.. In IRAQ! The Bushit Administration should send him over on the next plane (no bullet proof vest required).

For Skinny: What's remarkable to me is how similarly the trolls write to the way Bush speaks.

1) Always in single sentences, never paragraphs.

2) Without paying attention to good English.

3) Responding to counter-argument by repeating the same thing.

4) Speaking in all black or white, never gray. No nuance or complexity in any comment.

5) No thought is ever developed. Just blurted out.

Another remarkable fact about trolls is that they argue for a man, Bush, who wouldn't give them the time of day. Except for an inability to articulate well, he's completely unlike them...he's rich, comes from an aristocratic family, owes his life to family connections and financial backers, and puts people like these trolls in harm's way in Iraq while his own daughters hang around Washington bars all night.
Politics indeed makes strange bedfellows.

OT:

Speaking of the unspeakable, John Kaminski's sources on his report that WE are planting suicide bombs in Iraqi cars to keep up the confusion, terror and violence are pretty convincing. Please read this.

Should have posted this quote from Kaminski's article above:

"The overall plan is to create hell on Earth, and we are succeeding. By our silent complicity and cowardly reluctance to oppose and stop this homicidal behavior in the name of profit, we are all accessories to mass murder and the destruction of human society, not to even mention the extinction of individual human freedom and the God-given right to be safe and secure in the homes of our choice.

"So now that you know, what are you going to do about it? You know if you do nothing, these same things will one day happen to you."

Horkus -

You're great!

Don't we just miss Cheryl and KestrelBrightEyes, though....

When will this madness end. I'm shocked by the number of friends I have who believe 2000 was fraudulent, but 2004 was not. It's time for some edumacatin.

I've started a blog at http://electionfraudblog.com specifically for election fraud posts, no other topics. I feel this is absolutely the most important thing to get into the mainstream consciousness, that we cannot win unless the election system is reformed from the ground up. Voter Verified Paper Ballots!

My other e-fraud site is http://2004electiontheft.com, which catalogs alternative media stories relating to the '00, '02, and '04 elections.

RE: The Crimes of Blackwell, lest we forget the phony recount conducted against state law (which requires the RANDOM counting of precincts, as opposed to the HAND-PICKED counting of precincts which Blackwell allowed), his several overturned decisions including one by the courts around noon on Election Day to disallow Provisional Voters from receiving ballots if they were not in their home precinct, the voter registrations thrown out due to the incorrect paper weight of the registration forms, also to be changed later (but after how many valid registration forms were already destroyed?) and, of course, this one is always fun as well as Blackwell seems to have broken two laws in a single letter! Go figure!

Organik, anyone who believes (correctly) that the 2000 election was stolen should have been on guard against it happening again. The media, our supposed watchdogs against abusive government who had explored the 2000 election and had determined that Gore actually won, should have had reporters at the ready to investigate at the first sign of fraud. All the danger signs were there.

Yet despite 57,000 complaints in the first 48 hours of specific acts of malfeasance or irregularity, the idea of a second fraud was dismissed as theorizing by conspiracy buffs. It's as if we'd been warned about a tornado, then all gone to the beach and when the roofs of our houses were blown off and we discovered it later, assumed it was vandalism.

Lincoln was wrong. You can fool all the people all the time. For a while, anyway. It's changing now.

Does it take anything less than a violent mob to get the attention of the US COURTS, THE US CONGRESS, A GROUP OF REAL AMERICANS TO PRINT THE TRUTH ABOUT THE RIGGED ELECTIONS, THE WAR IN IRAQ, DESTRUCTION OF THE ENVIRONMENT UNDER THE BUSHIT REGIME, AND THE HIT THAT US CITIZENS HAVE TAKEN because of laws passed against them in CONGRESS taking away or diminishing former rights and freedoms in favor of Corporate Big Business??? Many here acknowledged that the mass media is controlled owned by the wealthy and controlled by the government. So what's a BEAR to do? Blackwell is still on the loose in fact he thinks he's got the race for Ohio state governorship all sown up. If it looks like Bushit, smells like Bushit, reads like Bushit, then it's time to flush the strunces out of the system. That way all the Bushiters can rot together in a holding tank (JAIL) together. Somebody tell me which court to file charges in and l will be on a plane to start the process next week.

There’s a problem with the posted Fitrakis/Wasserman article. It speaks of “newly released documents confirming a pre-election threat by Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell”. But the document in question was the subject of a Columbus Dispatch Story back on 6/Oct/04, before the election: http://www.columbusdispa...0/06/20041006-A1-02.html

The Blackwell letter, while undoubtedly a threat, is not as general a threat as might be supposed by reading it out of context. It specifically concerned whether election personnel should hand out provisional ballots to non-resident voters.

Never did understand how the non-random re-count was accepted by greens and libs ,what did it cost $120,000 ,surely they should be able to demand a refund because the "contract for services" was dishonoured.

#27 JPENTZ says it very well.

But, I'll repeat the same message because I find the attempts to argue with or insult the trolls almost as irritating as the original troll posts. Please don't get suckered in by these TTs (toxic trolls). Don't play their game. It's a total waste of air time and emotional energy. Thanks all, for letting me get that off my mind! Pax, VG.

Let's get one thing straight, I know first hand that the M.O. of the Republican Party is to assign registered Republicans to re-register as Democrats and then volunteer for Democratic campaigns for two reasons:
1) They find out first hand what is going on in a campaign, and
2) They attempt to foul up the campaign from within.

In addition, it would not surprise me that half of the so-called Democrats that make up the Boards in Ohio, are really Republicans that have re-registered as Democrats so that Blackwell (who appoints the Boards) can claim there is a 50/50 divide on the Election Boards, when in fact they are 100% Republicans.

A perfect example of their M.O. is Palm Beach County in 2000. The Election Board was comprised of 3 people---Theresa lePore (Cty Supervisor), Mary McCarthy (R) and a local Judge reported to be a registered Democrat. What no one knows is that the Judge, even though registered as a Democrat, was appointed by Jeb Bush to his Judgeship. If you re-call, it was Palm Beach County that slowed down the recount and never made the 5:00 cut-off made by Katherine Harris. To outsiders it would appear that 2 Democrats and 1 Republican didn't finish their recount. Moreover, it was the Judge who put the most conservtive view of each ballot and threw out dozens as having "chads" and couldn't be read.

How do I know these things? 2 ways: I worked in the P.B. County Supervisor of Elections years ago and know what they do. Secondly, I was an unannounced Republican Candidate for Congress from P.B.(asked to run by the National Committe for an Effective Congress in Washington) and had many meetings with the Republican Party People and they laughingly told me what they did.
In addition, they pay telephone linemen $100 (at that time) to tap the phones of Candidates and their Campaign Managers so they would know what was going on. That was 1970. Do not think they haven't gone even further in the past 35 years. These arfe not dirty tricks, criminal in every respect.

Dang Harry --- can you produce some hard evidence to nail the ba*tards? I had seen odd Democratic BOE officials in place in Ohio and elsewhere and come to the same conclusion you have just presented with testament.

I believe Theresa LePore switched parties three times in order to get the job done. Once was just in time to push through the infamous Butterfly Ballot designed to make Jewish voters vote for Patrick Buchanan who many Jews feel is anti-semitic. And then just afterward, LePore changed party affiliation.

Strange, to say the least that this sort of thing goes on.

My SOS Cathy blackwell Cox is possibly a Republican in Democrat clothing. One thing's for certain, she made black box voting the only way Georgians can vote and now she's running for Governor. A "might as well be" Republican vs a Republican.

A One-Party system is not healthy.

Trolls do not kill us; they make us stronger.

The posts above were arguably even more pointed, penetrating, and fact filled than they might otherwise have been if not for our pal Praetorian J. Troll.

Blackwell is too much of an asshole to be elected governor of his own bathtub, but thanks to the magic of unverifiable electronic voting technology, anything is possible!

M3 #18 Thank you for that barrage of facts!

Peg C. #30 Thanks for that link. Made me want to cry. I thought Condosleazy's anomalously honest statement the other day was interesting: "He doesn't have an exit strategy; he has a success strategy." After all, what's the point of an exit strategy when you have no intention of leaving?

I can prove that I ran Ben Javits Office (older brother of Jake Javits, Republican Senator from NY) in 1969. While there, I was contacted by Russ Hemingway, the Director the National Committee for an Effective Congress out of Washington D.C. (and NY) to go back to Florida where I was born and had dozens of relatives in Palm Beach Cty. My Mother's family was one of the first Four families that lived in Jupiter, Florida. On May 5, 1970, the Palm Beach Post ran a substantial article on me, announcing my candidacy for Congress as a Republican --- although i never formerly declared. Almost immediately i was contacted by several Republican groups throughout Palm Beach County and met with them. The most major group was in Delray Beach and was run by a lady who was formerly a major Repuiblican activist from southern Illinois. It was her group that told me in a meeting that a person in the room was re-registering as a Democrate so we would know everything that the Democratic Candidate was doing.
After meeting with several groups, I became totally disillusioned by Republican tatics and refused to run as a Republican.
I subsequently volunteered for two honest young men, one of which was running for Governor and the other for U.S. Senate, Lawton Chiles and Rueben Askew, both of whom we got elected.
I ran my part of the campaign secretly out of my cousins home that no one could associate with me. I then opened an office and pretended to be running the campaign out of the bogus office. They came---several that I recognized as Republicans and gave them unimportant tasks to carry out.
The bottom line is that we out-smarted them so their tatics couldn't work.
Later, I ran the first Black man for Mayor of West Palm Beach using the same tatics. We thought we had won the race based upon our exit polls, only to find that we had lost by 200 votes. It took me 3 months to prove that we had actually won the race by 200 votes. They outsmarted me by throwing out over 400 votes from the five black precincts. I mean literally thowing them out the window. There were over 400 more voters than there were votes. Now, can you imagine 400 Black voters going to polls when there is only one race on the ballot and they didn't vote. These were paper votes. I deduced that the poll workers that collected the votes and took them back for counting, just threw out the window over 400 votes. It is the only explanation.
It was during one of the meetings with a Republican group that I was told about the Telephone Repairmen. I know it was true as strategy conversations I purposedly held on my line for disinformation showed up in attempts to block me. i could only laugh. All important phone calls about the campaign were made from different pay phones all over West Palm Beach.
All of the above is true.

Thanks Harry --- those are two very revealing posts and I for one am not surprised about anything in them.

We've got smoking guns all over the place --- where's the sherriff?

Heh (#43) --- holdin' the gun?

re #44 then it's time for a Citizen's Arrest!

Has John Kerry won Ohio yet?????
Has Dino Rossi won Washington yet?????

The impotent jerry troll (#46) has yet to prove who won the 2004 general election. With voting machines running "secret" code it is impossible to perform an audit and they are therefor not transparent and unreliable.

The pathetic jerry troll has yet to provide evidence of WMD.

Like the rest of the clueless trolls, the snivelling jerry troll has zero credibility but refuses to acquiesce to reality.

Why does the churlish jerry troll hate Americans so much?

I'll give you evidence of Weapons of Mass Destruction! First I got my dog stoned! Then I got him to bury all the Weapons of Mass Destruction at Candlestick Park!
You want the WMD? Candlestick Park is located just off the Bayshore Freeway south of San Francisco! That's where they're buried!
Good luck finding them because Candlestick Park is falling apart so you'll never find them! If you do find them, you'll find them right next to Patty Hearst and the Symbionese Liberation Army! They're guarding the WMD! Yes, I got them stoned too! Wanna hit?